Normandy map hype discussion

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

55 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Oh FFS.

How many minutes of the entire war did the Amiens raid account for?

 

I’m tired of hearing about it. Much more important to have the Falaise Gap.

It's alright, I'm pretty sure it's a joke post. I shall be flying the raid anyway, replacing the flight up the Somme valley with a flight up the Seine valley to Rouen, another French city with a cross shaped building famously bombed by the RAF. It's close enough in my book!

 

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Going to do something, hopefully back to1941.  Do not and never have cared about perfect historical accuracy.  I have what I have and will do my best with it to give a feel for rodeos, early US raids, etc .  If every plane is not represented, every unit is not quite right, this plane is used because I don't have that one, this airfield is used because I don't have that one, so be it.  You're still going to be able to fly a Spitfire Mk V across the channel and meet FW190 A3son the other side.

 

Quite agreed, we shall make do with what we have and hope for more aircraft to fill out our options. Oddly we can do early 1941 (Hurricane II, Spitfire V, Bf 109F) more easily than we can do 1942/43!

[PatrickAWlson]

4 hours ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Quite agreed, we shall make do with what we have and hope for more aircraft to fill out our options. Oddly we can do early 1941 (Hurricane II, Spitfire V, Bf 109F) more easily than we can do 1942/43!

 

Some types soldier on a bit longer while others make near miraculous advances and are delivered a bit early  .

[Eisenfaustus]

10 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Going to do something, hopefully back to1941.  Do not and never have cared about perfect historical accuracy.  I have what I have and will do my best with it to give a feel for rodeos, early US raids, etc .  If every plane is not represented, every unit is not quite right, this plane is used because I don't have that one, this airfield is used because I don't have that one, so be it.  You're still going to be able to fly a Spitfire Mk V across the channel and meet FW190 A3son the other side.

 

This is actually why I personally am most hyped about the new map. Flying JG26 from 41 to 45 ^^

[Pict]

19 hours ago, NoelGallagher said:

i wonder how many of people here actually fly over the europe and russia 

did you?

and you don't have to have a experience to fly over the country to know how it looks 

this is 2021 you have satellite image....

you guys are too old.....

 

For what it's worth, I have flown over both and many, many other places.

 

Satallite images are not analogous with flying over the earth at lower altitudes. They are nice and useful, but not a substitute.

 

Additionaly an odd thing that I observed after decades of travel mostly for proffesional pusrposes and spending extended periods of time in different parts of the world, was that the difference in the local light changes the way we see things quite significantly. If you take an item, say something red in colour and take note of how it looks in different places, it will appear to be a different shade of red. The only change is the local light. This in turn affects everything we see.

 

I'm no spring chicken, you got that much right, but I'll leave you with a quote from Keith Richards to offer a different perspective on wheather someone can actually be too old or not.

 

"The older you get, the older you want to get." - Keith Richards

Edited October 20, 2021 by Pict

[TheSNAFU]

My biggest hope is that homes, farms and other smaller details are added to the map. For me the most glaring shortcoming in the entire game is how barren the maps are. The now very old CLOD manages to do this without impacting FPS performance. Outside visuals the other big issue for me is the lack of realistic pilot comms. For the life of me I don’t know why they don’t feel that is an important part of a convincing sim. 

[NoelGallagher]

2 hours ago, Pict said:

 

For what it's worth, I have flown over both and many, many other places.

 

Satallite images are not analogous with flying over the earth at lower altitudes. They are nice and useful, but not a substitute.

 

Additionaly an odd thing that I observed after decades of travel mostly for proffesional pusrposes and spending extended periods of time in different parts of the world, was that the difference in the local light changes the way we see things quite significantly. If you take an item, say something red in colour and take note of how it looks in different places, it will appear to be a different shade of red. The only change is the local light. This in turn affects everything we see.

 

I'm no spring chicken, you got that much right, but I'll leave you with a quote from Keith Richards to offer a different perspective on wheather someone can actually be too old or not.

 

"The older you get, the older you want to get." - Keith Richards

Additionaly an odd thing that I observed after decades of travel mostly for proffesional pusrposes and spending extended periods of time in different parts of the world, was that the difference in the local light changes the way we see things quite significantly. If you take an item, say something red in colour and take note of how it looks in different places, it will appear to be a different shade of red. The only change is the local light. This in turn affects everything we see.

- That is excatly what i'm saying 

BOBP map looks like another eastern front map which is not realisitc 

because as you said and also in my experience 

red is not the same red blue is not same blue even at the same season and weather

for ex: london looks different from france in terms of how everything looks even they share same whether and season

france usually(especially normandy area) has super blue sky(alsmot too blue)

and everything looks as if they have more contrast compare to london

 

and i don't think it's a good idea to take any advice from the person like keith except songwriting and guitar play

Edited October 20, 2021 by NoelGallagher

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Pict said:

"The older you get, the older you want to get." - Keith Richards

Strange - I'm getting older and older, but I still wish I were 20.

 

2 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

My biggest hope is that homes, farms and other smaller details are added to the map. For me the most glaring shortcoming in the entire game is how barren the maps are. The now very old CLOD manages to do this without impacting FPS performance. Outside visuals the other big issue for me is the lack of realistic pilot comms. For the life of me I don’t know why they don’t feel that is an important part of a convincing sim. 

+1. Or let them release single-house versions of the different buildings, rather than only as blocks. Two days of programming, and I could make a script that automatically places buildings around the map that fit into the terrain.

[Ribbon]

Making map a bit more alive and ground textures better, diversity in foliage size...etc would be nice and desirable but imo not at the cost of performance where some VR players would go in unplayable waters.....unless we get more gfx customization settings, than no one would be at loss!

 

[357th_KW]

10 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

This is actually why I personally am most hyped about the new map. Flying JG26 from 41 to 45 ^^

 

It would be a lot of work, but the source material is there to build a historical mission pack for them with dozens if not hundreds of historically accurate missions.  

[Uufflakke]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Strange - I'm getting older and older, but I still wish I were 20.

 

+1. Or let them release single-house versions of the different buildings, rather than only as blocks. Two days of programming, and I could make a script that automatically places buildings around the map that fit into the terrain.

 

Modded IL2:1946 had the so called 'auto-pop templates'.

A template populated with houses and whatever object was connected to a certain texture.

A quick way of adding life to a map.

[Pict]

17 hours ago, NoelGallagher said:

- That is excatly what i'm saying 

BOBP map looks like another eastern front map which is not realisitc

 

Not really, you're saying the BOBP map looks like an Eastern front map and I don't think it does. I will go even further and say that not all of the Eastern front maps look the same either, nor should they.

 

This can be demostrated without even travelling to the kitchen to put the kettle on;

 

Take a LaGG 3 and put the "yellow tail" skin on it so that you have a basic green Soviet camo, then fly it on all the Eastern front summer maps, Moscow doesn't have a summer map, but Velikiye Luki does and it's near enought to Moscow for this test.

 

You will see that not all of these maps are same when you have a standard green to compare them with. This is most striking on the Stalingrad map as the earth is a different colour, more like a sandy colour than greens found in northern climbs. This too should be expected as the Soviet air force (VVS) at that time had special "southern front" camo schemes for this area that were either dark brown over light brown (sand like colour) or black over light brown.

 

Try the same LaGG and camo on the BOBP map and see if you think still these maps are all the same. I tested this before replying here and I don't think so.

 

17 hours ago, NoelGallagher said:

and i don't think it's a good idea to take any advice from the person like keith except songwriting and guitar play

 

I can't guarantee no satifaction  but it works for me.

 

16 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Strange - I'm getting older and older, but I still wish I were 20.

 

I suppose we all feel like that now and then, especially when spring is upon us, but getting younger is not an option (that I'm aware of) and that leaves us with just two options and I know which one I'm taking 

Edited October 21, 2021 by Pict

[Mtnbiker1998]

14 minutes ago, Pict said:

I can't guarantee no satifaction  but it works for me.

 

 

I suppose we all feel like that now and then, especially when spring is upon us, but getting younger is not an option (that I'm aware of) and that leaves us with just two options and I know which one I'm taking 

Conversely, Pete Townsend was hoping to die before he got old. The again he may have just been sick of people talking about his g-g-g-generation.

 

 

[Pict]

52 minutes ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Conversely, Pete Townsend was hoping to die before he got old.

 

And he's still here...all show no g g g go 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Pict

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Conversely, Pete Townsend was hoping to die before he got old. The again he may have just been sick of people talking about his g-g-g-generation.

 

 

 

Or his dege ge generate habits.

 

[Diggun]

1 hour ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Pete Townsend was hoping to die before he got old.

Presumably so nobody would question the age of the young people he so enjoys viewing explicit images of. Oh! Wait! I forget. That was all research for a book he was writing. 

 

 

I wonder where that book is?? 

[ZachariasX]

31 minutes ago, Diggun said:

Oh! Wait! I forget. That was all research for a book he was writing. 

Especially since today, If you like arts, at times you‘d be surprised where you have to go for not being taken down. ?

Edited October 20, 2021 by ZachariasX

[Pict]

17 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

Especially since today, If you like arts...

 

Dear dear, what next?

[TheSNAFU]

7 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Making map a bit more alive and ground textures better, diversity in foliage size...etc would be nice and desirable but imo not at the cost of performance where some VR players would go in unplayable waters.....unless we get more gfx customization settings, than no one would be at loss!

 

I doubt some dispersed farms, homes etc would push any vr users off the performance cliff. The terrain is so lifeless, something I have always disliked about the series and it should be done. As should convincing pilot comms with the emotion consistent with air combat. These 2 things would help make the sim a more polished product. 

[Jade_Monkey]

1 hour ago, TheSNAFU said:

I doubt some dispersed farms, homes etc would push any vr users off the performance cliff. The terrain is so lifeless, something I have always disliked about the series and it should be done. As should convincing pilot comms with the emotion consistent with air combat. These 2 things would help make the sim a more polished product. 

 

 

I disagree, they don't need to make custom unique farms for each location. You can use 2-3 models and reuse them across the board. Having a few objects spread across the countriside should not have a noticeable impact on perfromance.

Edited October 21, 2021 by Jade_Monkey

[TheSNAFU]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

 

I disagree, they don't need to make custom unique farms for each location. You can use 2-3 models and reuse them across the board. Having a few objects spread across the countriside should not have a noticeable impact on perfromance.

We actually agree. A few models dispersed around the map would be fine in my opinion. 

[Ribbon]

17 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

I doubt some dispersed farms, homes etc would push any vr users off the performance cliff. The terrain is so lifeless, something I have always disliked about the series and it should be done. As should convincing pilot comms with the emotion consistent with air combat. These 2 things would help make the sim a more polished product. 

You're right!

If VR runs fine over the cities and villages than it would run fine over the few farms too, i guess Vram won't be problem either.