reverb g2 or pimax 8kx

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

finally my old pimax 5kplus is going to die, i think.pixel errors on the left display ,one dot rainbow color and one Red dot with Red line.no more warranty since a long time.

what shall i Do? repair how ??? or buy reverb g2 (much cheaper)or pimax 8kx much expensiver.not much money to spend.playing il2 exclusivly.

i7 7700k and gtx 1080ti and 32gb ram

Edited October 16, 2021 by II/JG11_ATLAN_VR

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Hey mate, buy a new graphics card first.

 

Neither the G2 nor the 8KX can be properly powered by a 1080ti.

 

 

The 8KX offers a higher FOV and LH tracking, and is somewhat easier on the CPU at 75Hz. 90Hz mode is a gamble and does not work on most 8KX units. The G2 offers a sharper picture, better software, much better colors, a proper presence effect, and better audio, and a terrifingly better price to performance ratio.

 

 

You may want to consider to sell the LH stations and controllers and put the money towards a new GPU and a G2. You'll need a new GPU either way (buy Nvidia RTX 3080, 3080Ti or 3090, and avoid AMD GPUs for VR).

 

 

Best regards!

Fenris

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Zinovy_Kolobanov]

Could a 2080ti move a G2 correctly? And if he moves them, would he be limited in certain aspects?

[LVA_Picard]

I would say yes it will work even on a 3080 you need to tweak before you run it decent , I have a RTX 3060TI OC and  pretty much the same performance  . 

 

 run on really high settings , 100 % general and SS on 120 %  50 fps  and that's good . 

 

Some stutters just above the ground but I work on that. 

 

 

 

Robin

[Vranq]

I would take a Pimax Artisan also into account.

 

I have just upgraded my PC to Ryzen 5800x and RX 6900XT and can run IL-2 @90FPS with 200% SS with WMR headset (native 1440x1440). So I guess it would be the same with G2 @ native resolution.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

Hi Vranq.

Pimax Artisan and WMR?

 

Saludos

15(Span.)/JG51 Costa.

[Vranq]

Artisan was just a suggestion. I will buy one soon. Currently I just own a WMR headset which I run @200% SS with my recently upgraded PC.

[dburne]

Reverb G2 is the best bang for the buck headset currently. Great image at a reasonable price.

[chiliwili69]

On 10/16/2021 at 7:35 PM, Vranq said:

I have just upgraded my PC to Ryzen 5800x and RX 6900XT and can run IL-2 @90FPS with 200% SS with WMR headset (native 1440x1440).

 

Two comments.

 

1.-

A WMR headset with native 1440x1440 per eye with 200%SS is about 2253x2253 which is about 10Million pixels in total.

The Reverb G2 has a display of 2160x2160 per eye. With 48%SS is about 2191x2143, and with 100%SS it is 3162x3093, which is 19.5 Million pixels in total.

So to reach the resolution of the G2 (at 100%SS) you will need to raise the SS of your WMR headset to 386%SS. And see if you can mantain the 90fps.

 

2.-( a bit of topic)

It is interesting your GPU 6900XT. Some people were not getting good results in the SYN_VANDER benchmark with that particular AMD gpu. Before getting a new VR device you can check if that card is going to perform well for higher resolutions. You can run the SYN_Vander test to check it out.

 

 

On 10/16/2021 at 10:02 AM, II/JG11_ATLAN_VR said:

old pimax 5kplus is going to die

 

Given the fact that you already own the basestations (and perhaps controllers), it could be interesting to get just the Valve Index headset (just the headset for 539€).

IMHO, the Index is the best headset overall for IL-2 VR, which is my only game. And it will not need to upgrade your 1080Ti if you don´t want to upgrade it.

 

I made multiple analysis in this VR section about the Index versus (Pimax5K, G1, G2 and VP2). Obviously a VR device is a very subjetive and personal thing.

[J2_Steve]

I was going to suggest the Index on the 1080 ti too.

I ran my Index on a 1080 ti very comfortably, before updating to a 3080

 

Admittedly my only VR experience is with Oculus going from DK2, CV1, Rift S and Quest 2

 

I prefer the Index to the Quest 2

 

If you have a lighthouse and are keeping the 1080Ti, Index makes the most sense to me

[dburne]

4 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Two comments.

 

1.-

A WMR headset with native 1440x1440 per eye with 200%SS is about 2253x2253 which is about 10Million pixels in total.

The Reverb G2 has a display of 2160x2160 per eye. With 48%SS is about 2191x2143, and with 100%SS it is 3162x3093, which is 19.5 Million pixels in total.

So to reach the resolution of the G2 (at 100%SS) you will need to raise the SS of your WMR headset to 386%SS. And see if you can mantain the 90fps.

 

2.-( a bit of topic)

It is interesting your GPU 6900XT. Some people were not getting good results in the SYN_VANDER benchmark with that particular AMD gpu. Before getting a new VR device you can check if that card is going to perform well for higher resolutions. You can run the SYN_Vander test to check it out.

 

 

 

Given the fact that you already own the basestations (and perhaps controllers), it could be interesting to get just the Valve Index headset (just the headset for 539€).

IMHO, the Index is the best headset overall for IL-2 VR, which is my only game. And it will not need to upgrade your 1080Ti if you don´t want to upgrade it.

 

I made multiple analysis in this VR section about the Index versus (Pimax5K, G1, G2 and VP2). Obviously a VR device is a very subjetive and personal thing.

 

Yes it is very subjective, to me the quality of the image in cockpits is way better in both Reverb G2 and Vive Pro 2 versus the Index.

[J2_Steve]

I think for the OP the consideration is whether the G2 will run well on a 1080 or does he need to factor in the cost of updating the GFX on his PC. Bearing in mind cost is a factor for him.

I've looked at the G2 a few times since updating to the 3080 and hovered over the buy now. But I have read some negative posts about heat and comfort.

 

[Varibraun]

2 hours ago, J2_SteveF said:

But I have read some negative posts about heat and comfort.

 

FWIW - I have found the G2 to be very comfortable for my head shape, which I think is one of the main factors regarding comfort (for example, I found the Samsung Odyssey halo design to be very uncomfortable while others loved it).  For me, the G2 is light and probably the most comfortable of my 5 headset progression over the years (but that doesn't include the Index, so I can't compare that one). 

 

Also, my G2 doesn't overheat - my personal view is that HP has some defective headsets floating around out there, because some the posts on this issue describe pretty extreme heat and problems like eyes drying out.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The G2 does and does not overheat. There were issues depending on the grid you were in, and whether they were built on a monday or a thursday. 

 

It's important, if you buy one, to buy a new one. Then make sure that you got an on/off switch on your charger. The G2 went through several iterations, and as usual for HP that's not communicated.

Edited October 19, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

thx to All.i bought the hp reverb g2.as outlet offer for €499 

gtx 1080ti is quite ok for it i have 65 fps on 90hz.

very nice clarity much better than the old 5kplus.

with fovmod gasket 98 fov.i am satisfield thx

[chiliwili69]

On 10/20/2021 at 8:50 PM, II/JG11_ATLAN_VR said:

i am satisfield thx

Cheers! The important thing is you own experience.

The G2 is a great device, it has a superb resolution in the center of the view. Enjoy!.

[Vranq]

On 10/18/2021 at 9:17 AM, chiliwili69 said:

1.-

A WMR headset with native 1440x1440 per eye with 200%SS is about 2253x2253 which is about 10Million pixels in total.

The Reverb G2 has a display of 2160x2160 per eye. With 48%SS is about 2191x2143, and with 100%SS it is 3162x3093, which is 19.5 Million pixels in total.

So to reach the resolution of the G2 (at 100%SS) you will need to raise the SS of your WMR headset to 386%SS. And see if you can mantain the 90fps.

 

I am certain that IL-2 would look, even at my "low" resolution of 2164x2164 per eye, very nice with a G2. It already does with my cheap Medion Erazer HMD and I cannot imagine that it would look worse with a G2 at the same resolution that I am using. Just to get rid of the SDE would be reason enough for me to get the G2 even if I would have to run it @50% SS. Unfortunately HP decided to sell the revised version of the G2 exclusively in the USA. I will go for higher FOV then and probably buy the Pimax Artisan.

[buttonsmasher]

 

I just wanted to add to this because you're definitely going to want a better GPU to attempt to power a new HMD.

On 10/16/2021 at 6:07 AM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Hey mate, buy a new graphics card first.

 

Neither the G2 nor the 8KX can be properly powered by a 1080ti.

 

 

The 8KX offers a higher FOV and LH tracking, and is somewhat easier on the CPU at 75Hz. 90Hz mode is a gamble and does not work on most 8KX units. The G2 offers a sharper picture, better software, much better colors, a proper presence effect, and better audio, and a terrifingly better price to performance ratio.

 

 

You may want to consider to sell the LH stations and controllers and put the money towards a new GPU and a G2. You'll need a new GPU either way (buy Nvidia RTX 3080, 3080Ti or 3090, and avoid AMD GPUs for VR).

 

 

Best regards!

Fenris

 

 

 

 

[paul_leonard]

Pimax appears to be offering the upcoming Pimax 12K to existing Pimax owners with an incredible loyalty discount and "front of the line" access.  Apparently it will cost $2399 but an existing Pimax owner will be credited for the full value of your existing Pimax headset.  See this article on PCGamer.  Pimax's next-gen VR headset boasts 12K PC VR and the Quest 2's portable power | PC Gamer.  So for what it's worth, sounds like pointing the bulk of your investment into a high spec GPU will pay real benefits instead of spending the money on a G2, although I have no idea what your existing Pimax costed.   That said I have a G2 with a 3090 and a 5950X and it is quite delightful, but everyone else is right, you really do need to upgrade the GPU and probs the CPU too.  

[paul_leonard]

Chiliwili69 also notes that G2 has great focus in centre but no one talks about ipd enough.  I have small head (apparently...big brain according to me) and my ipd is like 57-58 and not the minimum 60mm that the the G2 slider goes too (did I say duct tape?).  So my area of focus more like a Venn diagram.  Not as good.  But I also have weird eyes with lens implant (cataract at age 25) so strongly recommend that if you wear glasses, get one of the VR Optician lens sets or similar, otherwise you may be doubly disappointed.  Trick is to think of the G2 like bifocals if you do wear glasses.  You have to tilt/move your head rather than move your eyes to keep things in focus.  It comes with practice and the negative reinforcement of blurriness.  Now that Pimax 12K with Tobii eye tracking... With age comes experience, maybe not wisdom, so if Chiliwili69 then I must be paul_leonard60.  To think my first headset was a Forte VFX1.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

On 10/27/2021 at 6:27 AM, paul_leonard said:

Chiliwili69 also notes that G2 has great focus in centre but no one talks about ipd enough.  I have small head (apparently...big brain according to me) and my ipd is like 57-58 and not the minimum 60mm that the the G2 slider goes too (did I say duct tape?).  So my area of focus more like a Venn diagram.  Not as good.  But I also have weird eyes with lens implant (cataract at age 25) so strongly recommend that if you wear glasses, get one of the VR Optician lens sets or similar, otherwise you may be doubly disappointed.  Trick is to think of the G2 like bifocals if you do wear glasses.  You have to tilt/move your head rather than move your eyes to keep things in focus.  It comes with practice and the negative reinforcement of blurriness.  Now that Pimax 12K with Tobii eye tracking... With age comes experience, maybe not wisdom, so if Chiliwili69 then I must be paul_leonard60.  To think my first headset was a Forte VFX1.

The Pimax headsets started at IPD 63mm. What they put on the website and item description was always incorrect - which is false advertising and was part of why some people hated Pimax' guts (among other reasons).

 

FYI I think the Vive Pro 2 is the only headset allowing for 57mm and the Index closely following with 58mm (albeit, a generation older with much lower resolution, slightly stronger godrays and more greyish colors). Some bird tweeted silently that IL-2 *may* get fixed regarding the Vive Pro 2 quite soon (I believe it when I see it). They are both (Index and VP2) situated in the same ecosystem (Lighthouse+Index Controllers) as the Pimax headsets are.

 

Another issue is this: https://community.openmr.ai/t/has-pimax-fixed-the-lens-sweetspot-issue-on-the-12k-qled/37341

 

 

All in all, regarding Pimax everyone should hold their horses. They always promise crazy stuff like that and then deliver a year after timetable (this includes lately with items releases 3 weeks ago which we waited 2 years for!!! - they have NOT improved. You will see the 12K in Q4 2023 the earliest. 

They had also promised eye tracking before and what I received was unusable on the 8KX. Then you get these "soft" issues like problematic lens design, offset software IPD, false IPD value shown (that has been 3 years now they do not fix it) and the tendency to delete all non-fanboy posts from their forums, the Reddit (which was captured by the fanbase) and Facebook as well.

 

That is why you always read "fantastic fantastic".

Edited October 28, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[chiliwili69]

37 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

All in all, regarding Pimax everyone should hold their horses. They always promise crazy stuff like that and then deliver a year after timetable (this includes lately with items releases 3 weeks ago which we waited 2 years for!!! - they have NOT improved. You will see the 12K in Q4 2023 the earliest. 

They had also promised eye tracking before and what I received was unusable on the 8KX. Then you get these "soft" issues like problematic lens design, offset software IPD, false IPD value shown (that has been 3 years now they do not fix it) and the tendency to delete all non-fanboy posts from their forums, the Reddit (which was captured by the fanbase) and Facebook as well

 

The same here.

I didn´t go for the Pimax8KX and I will not go to the Pimax Frontier 12K for the same reasons. It is not an out-of-the-box headset and the price for the 12K is also high (although if the price of the Deckard was 2500$ I will go for it without any doubt based on my experience with the Index).

 

But been said that, I really want Pimax guys and Varjo guys and all non-Oculus VR makers to succeed. We need several PC-VR options in the market so they can compete and develop the technology.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I just tried the Vive Pro 2's new Motion Compensation patch from the Beta that's just been released for the first time properly.

 

120Hz (reprojected at 60fps) at Ultra Details at 3100x3100, absolutely smooth experience. On the runway, dipped down to 80Hz a few times - but kept its reprojection active (40fps). Couldn't believe what I saw.

 

The temporal accuracy of a 120Hz reprojection means you get even less artifacts than on its competitors (any other 90Hz headset).

 

Now we just need the aspect ratio fix by the IL-2 Devs, and this thing has no competition anymore until the Varjo Aero releases for 3x the price. Can't beat aspheric lenses imho, even if it has a smaller FOV.

Edited October 28, 2021 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[dburne]

5 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I just tried the Vive Pro 2's new Motion Compensation patch from the Beta that's just been released for the first time properly.

 

120Hz (reprojected at 60fps) at Ultra Details at 3100x3100, absolutely smooth experience. On the runway, dipped down to 80Hz a few times - but kept its reprojection active (40fps). Couldn't believe what I saw.

 

The temporal accuracy of a 120Hz reprojection means you get even less artifacts than on its competitors (any other 90Hz headset).

 

Now we just need the aspect ratio fix by the IL-2 Devs, and this thing has no competition anymore until the Varjo Aero releases for 3x the price. Can't beat aspheric lenses imho, even if it has a smaller FOV.

 

 

Good news! I have got to get back to my flight simming here soon.