Developer Diary 296 - Discussion

[BMA_FlyingShark]

20 minutes ago, Asgar said:

i think it’s safe to say… He 177 is coming

Nah, it's gonna be the Ta 152.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[JG27*PapaFly]

[JG4_Moltke1871]

1 hour ago, Asgar said:

At this point I‘d say it’s time for a Axis Collector plane again, the allies got the c47, yak-9 yak9t hurricane …. Axis only got IAR announced in the last months

 

i think it’s safe to say… He 177 is coming ???

Yessss…..?

Includes the „Heisenberg Gerät“…!

??

[MasterBaiter]

Holly molly that looks good!! ?

[DN308]

13 hours ago, mrjp990 said:

Yes, I know, I was making a french joke.

So sorry. My French sense of humor is… French…

[Boomerang]

New cloud tech looks heavenly. 

Mosquito is coming along very nicely. 

Thank you, looking forward to those skies.

 

[IckyATLAS]

Allow me to be more precise. We have a picture of a Cumulonimbus category cloud by the dev team. 

But did you know that this cloud has different types:

• Cumulonimbus praecipitatio
• Cumulonimbus calvus
• Cumulonimbus pannus
• Cumulonimbus velum
• Cumulonimbus capillatus
• Cumulonimbus mamma
• Cumulonimbus arcus
• Cumulonimbus incus
• Cumulonimbus pileus
• Cumulonimbus tuba
• And the very recently discovered one: Cumuloasskickerus which is one of the most violent and deadly storm cells known (updraft speeds in the cell in excess of 20mt/sec and with hail made by basket ball sized ice clumps)  Yesterday it has ben officially registered by the the MMO-WMO and was made public yesterday. The discovery is the long and tedious work done over the last 7 years  by a world renown expert working at the skunk works secret department of the USAF, which Code Name goes by Gambit21.

[Retrofly]

I hope the mystery plane is a 4 enginer bomber, but realistically it will be some kind of medium twin engine bomber like people have already mentioned.

[[DBS]Browning]

7 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I will never understand why people never ask for P-38E/F/G/H and early P-47C and early P-47D. These were the US aircraft that did the bulk of the heavy lifting until the last year of the war in the ETO and absolutely nobody ever asks for them.

 

There is a gaping hole in the US fight planeset 1942 to spring 1944 that nobody seems to want to fill and they are right at home on the Normandy map.

 

Absolutely bizarre.

 

You're right that it's a part of the war often overlooked by recent sims. 

I suspect there are a few reasons for this. 

1. No major battle was taking place at the time. 

2. Flight times are long across the Channel and North Sea. 

3. There was no constant fight for air superiority by either side. 

4. Much fighting happened at higher altitudes. 

5. There is little media about the time. Especially films. 

[350th_Buzz]

Very impatient to discover these new skies ...

[Rjel]

8 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I will never understand why people never ask for P-38E/F/G/H and early P-47C and early P-47D. These were the US aircraft that did the bulk of the heavy lifting until the last year of the war in the ETO and absolutely nobody ever asks for them.

 

There is a gaping hole in the US fight planeset 1942 to spring 1944 that nobody seems to want to fill and they are right at home on the Normandy map.

 

Absolutely bizarre.

It wasn't as long as that with the earlier models of P-47s and P-38s. The 4thFG flew Spitfires until mid to late March '43 before converting to the P-47. The 56thFG started about that same time. The 78th was a few weeks later. The first P-38 group, the 55thFG didn't start operations until the fall of 1943. They fought the still very potent Luftwaffe over occupied Europe in those early missions and carried the war for 6-8 months before the P-51B flew its first missions in December of 1943.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

[JG4_Moltke1871]

So far there are 11 allied and 6 axis collector planes in the store. With all upcoming planes Ar234, IA 80, Spitfire Mk. XIV, it will be 12:8.

To balance the ratio, I propose the following, next four collector planes can chose between:

 

Ju 188/Do 217

Ta 152/Do 335

Bf 109 G10

Hs 123

Mc 205/Fiat G.55/Re.2005

 

?

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by JG4_Moltke1871

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, [DBS]Browning said:

1. No major battle was taking place at the time. 

Operation Torch?

[Asgar]

2 hours ago, Retrofly said:

I hope the mystery plane is a 4 enginer bomber, but realistically it will be some kind of medium twin engine bomber like people have already mentioned.

So you agree with me that it's the He 177? Because it's both! a twin engine bomber and a four engine bomber ? 

[Bremspropeller]

B-25 or bust! I'll take mine with parafrags, a strafer nose and a NG map.

 

Thanks ?

[Retrofly]

1 hour ago, Asgar said:

So you agree with me that it's the He 177? Because it's both! a twin engine bomber and a four engine bomber ? 

Its not a plane im familier with but looking inot it, it does seem like quite a facinating aircraft.

[BlitzPig_EL]

An interesting plane for the training of engine fire emergency procedures, if nothing else. 

[Lord_Strange]

I think the Fw-189 is a strong candidate. Primarily a recon plane, but with light offensive and defensive armament and the ability to carry a light bomb load it would be quite versatile, if not that useful, a bit like the Po-2. 

[Chief_Mouser]

41 minutes ago, Lord_Strange said:

I think the Fw-189 is a strong candidate. Primarily a recon plane, but with light offensive and defensive armament and the ability to carry a light bomb load it would be quite versatile, if not that useful, a bit like the Po-2. 

 

It would be great if the Luftwaffe did get a recce plane. The Bv141 is wonderful, quirky and and an absolutely brilliant choice, but was only built in very small numbers. The Hs126 would be a great early war addition, but just that really, early war. The Fw189 is another great choice - lovely aircraft with a chance of surviving attacks, but only used on the Eastern front. My guess for a Luftwaffe recce plane would have to be the Fi156C-2 Storch. Absolutely ubiquitous all through the war, single-engined, loads of surviving and airworthy examples to check out, and a worthy counter to the U-2VS.

Think I'd prefer a Fw189 though.

[BornToBattle]

Yes indeed, clouds are looking much better!
 

Concerning Jason’s research endeavors - the only clue being an aircraft we have asked for - I’m wondering if this will be an added collector plane to a set already out there (as in Bodenplatte, etc. but the collector plane slots are already filled but could that be expanded?), an aircraft that could be added to the Normandy set, perhaps FC (but as I understand models in RoF are being improved and updated to be used in FC unless a completely new aircraft is coming to light) or perhaps this aircraft will not be marketed as a collector aircraft or … ? 
 

Of course everyone (well, okay maybe not every single person here) has been clamoring for a Pacific ride but which would open up an entirely new arena but as far as I can tell to date that subject is literally dead in the water due to aircraft (except the Zero) having limited intel available.

 

Maybe I’m hitting a foul ball with this, but I tend to think it’s an added aircraft for the upcoming Normandy release. Perhaps the P-61 or an He-177, though I doubt the He as the post said something that people have been asking for.  The Do-335 was mentioned above and the Ta-152, both of which I’d snatch up in a heartbeat although I’ll admit I don’t know their roles during Normandy but wow, that Do-335 is a brute. Or perhaps now there is enough data which will bring the B-25 over to being player flyable (drool). Just spitballing here, nothing serious! Have a great day my fellow pilots! It’s a great time to be simming!

 

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by BornToBattle

[Enceladus828]

35 minutes ago, BornToBattle said:

Concerning Jason’s research endeavors

Based on that statement I doubt that it's a flyable B-25 or B-26 as they have all the info needed to make flyable but currently don't have the budget or people to make flyable in a reasonable development time. 

Jason also stated that it's a plane that many of us have asked for, so with that I would say it's more likely that we'll get either the MC.200, Hs-123, I-153, Do-17, Do-217, etc.

 

But if we were to get a B-25 or the Fw-189 then that's great!

 

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Enceladus

[=621=Samikatz]

"Research" implies it's a difficult aircraft to get complete data on to me, so I'm suspecting some kind of deep cut

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

Certainly not the 335, it didn't see any operational service at all. Ta also wasn't over Normandy or the Rhineland. I have to admit I hadn't thought that it might be a third Flying Circus collector type, the Snipe and SSDIV are the announced two that weren't in RoF and if it needs new research it won't be anything that was in RoF... Roland D.II or D.VI? Nieuport 24/27? Salmson 2A2? Airco DH.5? The brilliantly odd Caudron R.11? AEG C.IV? Could be anything, once again.

[iFoxRomeo]

Axis will have a second jet soon, so a Meteor I/III would be good and fit Normandy and Rheinland maps

[BMA_FlyingShark]

13 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

I will never understand why people never ask for P-38E/F/G/H and early P-47C and early P-47D.

I did. Someone started a discussion about next theater or planes after Normandy and I said I would like to see more early or mid war stuff.

The Earlier P-38 and P-47C are the ones I meant by that.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

8 hours ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

The A-26 must be true! In fact, I had a dream about her last night; it must've been a sign...

[BornToBattle]

53 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

"Research" implies it's a difficult aircraft to get complete data on to me, so I'm suspecting some kind of deep cut

I was wondering about this also and trying to connect that with the ‘many people have asked for’. Guess we will find out in time regardless.

1 hour ago, Enceladus said:

Based on that statement I doubt that it's a flyable B-25 or B-26 as they have all the info needed to make flyable but currently don't have the budget or people to make flyable in a reasonable development time. 

Jason also stated that it's a plane that many of us have asked for, so with that I would say it's more likely that we'll get either the MC.200, Hs-123, I-153, Do-17, Do-217, etc.

 

But if we were to get a B-25 or the Fw-189 then that's great!

 

 

Yeah, I would think too they should have the intel to make the B-25 flyable all along but fuzzy on what precisely comprises as enough to make a model within these series (WWI or WW2) such as the axis planes of the Pacific theater. I guess the one big clue is something many have asked for but he doesn’t disclose as to the association to which map/time period we are talking about. I think I recall somewhere on the forums the idea of a MC.200 being kicked around by us at one time as we have the MC.202.

[Rjel]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

An interesting plane for the training of engine fire emergency procedures, if nothing else. 

Not to mention it's butt ugly to boot. Maybe the worst looking of all mid to late war bombers of WWII. IMHO.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Yeah, there is that too.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

8 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Allow me to be more precise. We have a picture of a Cumulonimbus category cloud by the dev team. 

But did you know that this cloud has different types:

• Cumulonimbus praecipitatio
• Cumulonimbus calvus
• Cumulonimbus pannus
• Cumulonimbus velum
• Cumulonimbus capillatus
• Cumulonimbus mamma
• Cumulonimbus arcus
• Cumulonimbus incus
• Cumulonimbus pileus
• Cumulonimbus tuba
• And the very recently discovered one: Cumuloasskickerus which is one of the most violent and deadly storm cells known (updraft speeds in the cell in excess of 20mt/sec and with hail made by basket ball sized ice clumps)  Yesterday it has ben officially registered by the the MMO-WMO and was made public yesterday. The discovery is the long and tedious work done over the last 7 years  by a world renown expert working at the skunk works secret department of the USAF, which Code Name goes by Gambit21.

I like Cunnilingusclouds 

[Vishnu]

Is that isolated RAIN!??!??!?!?  WOOT!!!

[ChauveViking]

47 minutes ago, Vishnu said:

Is that isolated RAIN!??!??!?!?  WOOT!!!

Yes, the new clouds also bring new weather with rain and sun on the same map

 

[kendo]

7 hours ago, JG4_Moltke1871 said:

So far there are 11 allied and 6 axis collector planes in the store. With all upcoming planes Ar234, IA 80, Spitfire Mk. XIV, it will be 12:8.

To balance the ratio, I propose the following, next four collector planes can chose between:

 

Ju 188/Do 217

Ta 152/Do 335

Bf 109 G10

Hs 123

Mc 205/Fiat G.55/Re.2005

 

?

 

 

Probably understandable because on the Allied side there are three nations (UK, USA, USSR) compared to essentially only Germany on the Axis side (I know...Italy but until/if the Italian theatre or North Africa appear in the sim essentially it's the Luftwaffe that carries the Axis war effort)

 

And so given the 6 v 6 format of each full Great Battles instalment there are many more essential Allied aircraft left to cover.

 

2 hours ago, Rjel said:

Not to mention it's butt ugly to boot. Maybe the worst looking of all mid to late war bombers of WWII. IMHO.

 

Sacrilege! I always thought it was one of the coolest looking  late war bombers.

 

Operational record, and technical shortcomings may be valid criticisms, but looks...NO!

 

[oc2209]

5 hours ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Certainly not the 335, it didn't see any operational service at all.

 

Much as I'd love to fly the Do-335, I also must agree that it has no place in this sim. Maybe ten years from now when every other plane and theater has been adequately represented.

 

Much as I'd love to fly the Ta-152, the same applies. But the Ta deserves to be in the sim more than the Do, even if by a slim margin.

 

1 hour ago, kendo said:

Sacrilege! I always thought it was one of the coolest looking  late war bombers.

 

Operational record, and technical shortcomings may be valid criticisms, but looks...NO!

 

I always thought the He-177 looked like a Nazified B-29.

 

Kind of like the Star Trek episode where a beaming mishap sends Kirk to an evil mirror-image of the Enterprise in an alternate universe.

[Sandinourcoffee6]

Another anti jets as next collector plane video ?

 

[Asgar]

17 hours ago, BornToBattle said:

I was wondering about this also and trying to connect that with the ‘many people have asked for’. Guess we will find out in time regardless.

I‘m telling you it’s the He-177 people have been asking since BoS. It saw service on the Eastern and Western front. We will have some south England soon so let’s blitz it!

 

12 hours ago, oc2209 said:

I always thought the He-177 looked like a Nazified B-29.

Right… somehow the Germans knew about the B-29 before one was ever developed and „nazified“ and pushed it into service before even a single one was ever build! ?

Edited October 17, 2021 by Asgar

[Jade_Monkey]

From what I recall the B25 needed some details on turrets, so maybe that's what Jason was able to research? 

 

Either that or the B-26 would be great.

 

Regardless of which plane it ends up being, I'm sure I'll be excited. I love learning the details of new aircraft.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Jade_Monkey

[Sandinourcoffee6]

1 hour ago, meplanes1969 said:

Another anti jets as next collector plane video ?

No really just a joke,love to see more jets,anything really along as it’s new 

 

[JG4_Moltke1871]

3 hours ago, kendo said:

 

Probably understandable because on the Allied side there are three nations (UK, USA, USSR) compared to essentially only Germany on the Axis side (I know...Italy but until/if the Italian theatre or North Africa appear in the sim essentially it's the Luftwaffe that carries the Axis war effort)

 

And so given the 6 v 6 format of each full Great Battles instalment there are many more essential Allied aircraft left to cover.

 

 

Sacrilege! I always thought it was one of the coolest looking  late war bombers.

 

Operational record, and technical shortcomings may be valid criticisms, but looks...NO!

 

Of course you are right with that.

But also we should not forget it’s a game. No side should have a big disadvantage. Otherwise it’s up to the server owners wich plane on wich Theater they let fly…..??‍♂️

For me I look a bit jealous with my blue eyes of the big numbers of all these red beauty’s ?

[Lusekofte]

Looks great

Thanks