Developer Diary 293 - Discussion

[=621=Samikatz]

2 minutes ago, ZeroCrack01 said:

Will the ju88 c6 have radar support? I apologize if that question is redundant.. 

 

No, the version we are getting is the long range anti-shipping variant

[FTC_Zero]

1 minute ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

No, the version we are getting is the long range anti-shipping variant

Ahh, I see. Thx for that

[Bremspropeller]

Will the Ju 88 finally get a tailwheel lock?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Did it have one in reality?  I really don't know.

Edited September 12, 2021 by BlitzPig_EL

[Bremspropeller]

40 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Did it have one in reality?  I really don't know.

 

Some sources say it's an A-1 thru A-5 system. Those also had a hydraulic gust-lock.

The A-4 Handbook I have says it's a self-centering system only. Seems like both the gust-lock and the tailwheel-lock were cancelled at some point during the production-run.

 

There's the story of a captured Ju 88D (which is based on the A-4) that almost bought the farm because the crew supposedly forgot about the tailwheel-lock and hence hadn't deployed their flaps on take-off, making the take-off much more exciting than need be. That story might be wrong, after all.

[ATAG_SKUD]

2 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Some sources say it's an A-1 thru A-5 system.

This is correct but usually only found on early A-1s. It was deleted sometime during the production of these series. The button that set the tailwheel lock i n the early models is not found on the A-4 pilots panel in BoX. So we have the self-centering type. It seems the devs have done a reasonable job fixing the horrendous ground handling of the Ju 88 we had a couple of years ago and it it now easier to keep straight on take off. The pilots accounts I have read note that the yoke should be shoved forward hard and steered during take off roll using differential throttle movements until the tail comes up and bites the airflow then the rudder can do its job.

BTW-that pedal to the right of the rudder pedals is not a tailwheel lock control. It is a vestigial remnant of a rudder lock used when the aircraft is parked to keep it from banging in the wind. It was so dangerous that they were disabled even before leaving the factory. 

-skud

[Bremspropeller]

The other Ju 88A-4 question would be:

 

Can we get the additional fwd firing guns?

 

 

Spoiler

MG/FF and another LMG in the Bola.

 

Spoiler

MG151 (?) or MG/FF in the glass-nose. Might be slewable/ lockable, but the mount might also be broken. Looks like a deserted airplane on a base taken over by the Allies.

 

Central, fixed MG/FF inside the glass-nose.

 

Slewable LMG in the glass-nose.

 

Fixed MG/FF in the upper Bola - covered by a white...cover.

 

Also, the flame-dampers do look interesting for night-operations. Those might all be very valuable mods. As well as removing the MG17 built into the opper right windscreen, where it is mostly in the way.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Bremspropeller

[BlackSix]

On 9/11/2021 at 12:21 PM, Juri_JS said:

I hope it will be added to Stalingrad too. III./KG76 used several C-6s when based at Tazinskaya between August and October 1942. One of the mission types they flew were attacks on ships on the Volga.

Thanks, initially we missed this moment, C-6 will be available in III./KG76 in the BoS career.

[LukeFF]

On 9/11/2021 at 2:21 AM, Juri_JS said:

III./KG76 used several C-6s when based at Tazinskaya between August and October 1942. One of the mission types they flew were attacks on ships on the Volga.

 

Besides shipping attacks, were they also being used for other missions, i.e, attacking road and rail traffic?

[Juri_JS]

1 minute ago, LukeFF said:

 

Besides shipping attacks, were they also being used for other missions, i.e, attacking road and rail traffic?

Yes, other targets were attacked too. Also the specialized train busting units would sometimes attack road traffic as secondary targets.

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The other Ju 88A-4 question would be:

 

Can we get the additional fwd firing guns?

 

Those are interesting photos. There was also a He-111 used by one of the train-busting units fighting in the east that had six (6) forward firing MG-FF cannons installed. I suspect a lot of those modifications might lead to considerable changes to the cockpit as well - which could get expensive. I do wonder if there might be a market for some Collector Planes though... I assume that a lot would depend on whether it was profitable and whether it took away resources from long term goals. Interesting though.

 

I'd personally love to see a He-111 night fighter hunting U-2VS near Stalingrad... even as a scripted campaign. I gather that some of the He-111 used were unmodified except for the basic night fighting equipment. I do wonder if they might have left some of the crew behind though?

Edited September 13, 2021 by Avimimus

[Bremspropeller]

22 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

I do wonder if there might be a market for some Collector Planes though

 

This! Plus torps!

 

Night fighter campaigns would certainly rock my boat.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

This! Plus torps!

 

Night fighter campaigns would certainly rock my boat.

 

“Get the F$&k outa here!! It’s a MOVING WATER BAAAGM!!”

 

Seriously though, that would be too much fun. That’s the sort of gameplay that I enjoy. Twin engines...night..:hunting..:torps.

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

This! Plus torps!

 

S-Boats and Beaufighters, and a lot more possibilities. Yep!

 

[Bremspropeller]

11 minutes ago, sevenless said:

S-Boats and Beaufighters, and a lot more possibilities. Yep!

 

Aw yiss!

 

Out of likes for the day...

[Gambit21]

38 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

S-Boats and Beaufighters, and a lot more possibilities. Yep!

 

 

Make mine PT boats and Catalinas.

[BlitzPig_EL]

And yet, we still don't have a flyable Allied medium bomber...

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

And yet, we still don't have a flyable Allied medium bomber...

 

Hmm... you do know that the Pe-2 and the A-20 were classified as medium bombers... by the Russians and the British respectively? Is there any other way you can make your point which is less confusing for the rest of us?

 

Maybe 'We don't have a flyable B-series bomber' or something like that?

[DBFlyguy]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

And yet, we still don't have a flyable Allied medium bomber...

Hopefully all the work that has gone into new bomber crew models is a hint of things to come... time will tell.

[Frequent_Flyer]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Hmm... you do know that the Pe-2 and the A-20 were classified as medium bombers... by the Russians and the British respectively? Is there any other way you can make your point which is less confusing for the rest of us?

 

Maybe 'We don't have a flyable B-series bomber' or something like that?

The P-47 has a larger max bomb load  than the Pe-2 and A-20, 2,500 lbs. vs 2,200 and 2,000 lbs. respectively . Not that hard to understand what PIG is saying, unless English is not your first language or your intentionally obtuse.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The A20 is a light bomber.  That's what the USAAF and Douglas Aircraft called it, and that is what it is, no matter what the VVS or the RAF called it.

 

A medium bomber would be the B25, B26, Vickers Wellington, Ilyushin IL4 or in the case of the Axis powers, the Do 17, Ju 88, He 111, or Mitsubishi G4M.

 

Kindly note that in our little sim, the Axis powers have two medium bombers that are flyable with a third on the way ... The Allies have exactly zero flyable medium bombers.

 

I hope this clears the issue up for you.

Edited September 14, 2021 by BlitzPig_EL

[LukeFF]

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Keep the discussion on this target please.

 

[Ribbon]

9 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

S-Boats and Beaufighters, and a lot more possibilities. Yep!

 

Love it :))

But for available timeframe and expansions ju88a17 would fit better, not to mention it would be easier for devs to develop since it is based on  ju88a4 airframe we already have ingame (a4 modification to a17).

And rest of the resources could go to B-25 (or b26) development.

For those two collectors i'd easily cash out 80$

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Love it :))

But for available timeframe and expansions ju88a17 would fit better, not to mention it would be easier for devs to develop since it is based on  ju88a4 airframe we already have ingame (a4 modification to a17).

And rest of the resources could go to B-25 (or b26) development.

For those two collectors i'd easily cash out 80$

 

I love all of them, but I think it is about time to give the allies some medium bombers to play with. Axis already has the Ju88 and He111 family playable. So every medium for allies would help.

[ROCKET_KNUT]

7 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 light bomber

Exactly! Anyway, light or medium, I'd buy an A-26 in a heartbeat.?

[=FB=VikS]

On 9/11/2021 at 7:08 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Nice! When did they start making that armament change during the war?

 

no actual info on that, but airplanes on photo with this kind of installation still had 70/71/65 camo - so i think its maybe ~ 1942 - early 1943.

 

On 9/11/2021 at 8:16 PM, Asgar said:

great news... since we're talking armament options for planes. any big guns planned for the 410? ?

 

yes

[sevenless]

2 minutes ago, =FB=VikS said:

yes

 

Lovely ?

[LuftManu]

4 minutes ago, =FB=VikS said:

 

yes

Oh yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sevenless]

50 minutes ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

Exactly! Anyway, light or medium, I'd buy an A-26 in a heartbeat.?

 

A-20 G would be instant buy for me. And it saw a lot of action in the east, too.

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

A-20G is very very high on my wishlist now that all of the rest of my favourites have been or are being done

 

 

[Avimimus]

10 hours ago, Frequent_Flyer said:

The P-47 has a larger max bomb load  than the Pe-2 and A-20, 2,500 lbs. vs 2,200 and 2,000 lbs. respectively . Not that hard to understand what PIG is saying, unless English is not your first language or your intentionally obtuse.

 

9 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The A20 is a light bomber.  That's what the USAAF and Douglas Aircraft called it, and that is what it is, no matter what the VVS or the RAF called it.

 

I literally have gotten confused the two times this has come up - and using something like 'A bomber with a greater than 3 ton bombload' that doesn't involve terminology that differs between companies would be easier for me.

 

Just of the record - The light bombers were Specification P.27/32 Fairey Battle and the Post-Ivanov competition aircraft like the Su-2... aircraft like the SB-2 and even the Blenheim were generally classified as medium for fast bombers. Also, arguably, the Arado will be a specialised schnellbomber.

 

That said, I'd be curious about the American approach to classifying bombers, and how it changed through the war (I've always assumed it was classified as an attack bomber - and never looked into it properly).

[Ribbon]

5 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

I love all of them, but I think it is about time to give the allies some medium bombers to play with. Axis already has the Ju88 and He111 family playable. So every medium for allies would help.

B-25 is on top of my wishlist (real bomber cockpit with copilot ?)

They even don't need to model playable gunner stations, just pilot and bombardier.

Than it goes ju88a17 which will add new gameplay to the il2.

These two and il2 would look much more complete sim

[blue_max]

I'm loving both the dev diary and the discussion in the comments!

[Asgar]

5 hours ago, =FB=VikS said:

yes

thanks for the response i appreciate it! looking forward to the next time we see the 410 in a DD and try to spot all kinds of modifications in the screenshots. i think that's one of the favorite past times of the forum members here ? 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

1 x 50mm, 1 x 37mm, 2 x 30mm, 4 x 20mm and 6 x 20mm plox ?
 

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

14 hours ago, Frequent_Flyer said:

The P-47 has a larger max bomb load  than the Pe-2 and A-20, 2,500 lbs. vs 2,200 and 2,000 lbs. respectively . Not that hard to understand what PIG is saying, unless English is not your first language or your intentionally obtuse.

A-20B max load in game is 20x 104kg FAB-100M for a total of 4586lb. That's more than the B-25 or B-26 will carry, about equal with Wellington, more than Baltimore or Ventura. Hell, it's more than the B-17B was rated for. I don't discount the possibility that any of the aircraft I just mentioned could be operated at an overload condition that does better than our A-20, but our A-20 is actually a really good medium bomber.

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, =FB=VikS said:

yes

 

27 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

1 x 50mm, 1 x 37mm, 2 x 30mm, 4 x 20mm and 6 x 20mm plox ?

 

Yes, that is an interesting question... which big guns?

 

The U4 (2x20mm, 1x50mm) and the 20mm gun pod (2x7.9mm, 4x20mm) seem plausible.

 

The rarer variants - 6x 20mm field modification - 37mm rapid-fire Flak 43 - 30mm cannon (V18 and maybe some units in Norway) these are all less likely... The same goes for the 21cm rockets - single seat 1945 conversion...

 

I gather from =FB=VikS that the 50mm is in... but it'll be interesting to see in a future dev update if any of the others are - also what varieties of bombs/bomb-racks will be included.

[Asgar]

40 minutes ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

1 x 50mm, 1 x 37mm, 2 x 30mm, 4 x 20mm and 6 x 20mm plox ?
 

So… you want all of them you say? I‘m in xD

[Luftschiff]

Boom Boom Boom Boom, I want it in my room

 

[Imperator_TFD]

I'd love to at least see a small modification to the A20B that lets you use Western bombs instead of Soviet ones.  Currently you have RAF or USAAF A20B's carrying FAB-100s/250s

 

Similar to how when you select the Hispanos for the Hurricane it allows you to equip RAF bombs instead of VVS ones.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Imperator_TFD