What fighter of non-German origin would you be most interested in?

[Matt]

I'll make a voodoo doll with your name on it.

 

Please don't, i've now totally deleted my vote instead.

 

I just have no idea what they are planning to do. Zak wrote that these plane polls are probably not meant for BoS (as in the actual Battle of Stalingrad scenario, i don't mean this flightsim in general).

 

To me, it sounds like they plan to release these planes in a pack together with a new map. Unless i know exactly, what map/theatre/pack they are planning to do next, i won't vote for either plane.

[sturmkraehe]

Sorry, I like the later Italian planes, they are beautiful and apart their weak armament are excellent performancers.

 

However, we do not need better axis planes because axis already owns VVS from a performance point of view. If the Italian plane in question is really as performing as suggested by our Italian friend here it would just push the balance further into the axis side and leave the VVS behind again. We do not need to fill gaps in the overall pool of aircraft, we need to fill gaps (if at all) between axis and vvs side.

 

Imho the IAR80 has more and better historic justification. I also imagine interesting dogfight maps pitting the IAR80 against LaGG3 which could give the LaGG3 a real justification in terms of dogfight capabilities and not reduce it to a ground pounder role that is hers in the current planeset once the game is released.

[The_Bowman]

Just created an account only to vote for the IAR 80.

[pencon]

I know I'm in the wrong topic but I must say I'm disappoints that there's no i16 Mosca , When this version of il2 was first shown in the forums they were showing a pretty much completed model . Even the new movie Stalingrad has a scene of bf109 vs i16 . C'mon let's have the GeeBee ri of the Russian airforce . It would bring a ton of character . Also as far as this poll goes MC 200 instead of either .just a cooler looking Aircraft . I love to battle i16 vs mc 200 in 1946 hsfx 7.0.2 they're fairly evenly matched

Edited July 18, 2014 by pencon

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

You know that they are planing to introduce more planes if Stalingrad runs well after release? The Ishak was already outdated by that time so it makes sense they chose to add Lagg-3 and Yak-1 as initial release planes first.

 

If you followed their youtube channel you'd see they published documentaries about I-16 and Mig-3 long time ago, so they sure have interest in adding those planes. Not everybody wants to fly those though so it makes sense to add them as extra paid content later on.

Edited July 18, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuk4

[pencon]

Well of course as  extra paid Aircraft later on but at least give us the option. The I16 is pretty much already modeled . The more the merrier  I say . And who cares of they were out matched ? There were  still lots built and some of us like  quick missions. Not  all of us are into long online missions and just need a short 30 min battle  or two With crap planes , underdogs you might say ..and Yes definitely add the MIg3 as well . The IAR does nothing for me , if it's down to those two , I say Folgore 100 %.

Edited July 18, 2014 by pencon

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

It's not me having issues with underdogs (hell I love to fly my E.III in RoF in MP) but more a playerbase thing. You knwo when only Lagg-3 vs 109 fights took part people were getting mad already about inferiority in MP, so they demanded a better plane alias Yak-1.

I can't think of any reason not to introduce the Ishak in future, even though I'm more interested in Mig-3.

 

Also voted for Folgore just because ait somehow appealed more to me (maybe it's the german engine?). While the IAR is an interesting choice as well, I'd rather grab the Macchi.

[Duckman]

Macchi, more reuse potential later on.

[pencon]

What about the i185 ? That thing was superhuman in 1946. As far as looks go I like the MC 200 or the Mig 3 over the 202

Edited July 20, 2014 by pencon

[=Valkyrja=Vikingr]

Folgore, one of the most badass looking ww2 plane ever.

[mattebubben]

Id rather have the IAR.80 (or (81)

Over the Folgore even though i love them both.

I just feel the IAR 81 has more of a reason to be over stalingrad and the Mc202 is more likley to be added in later as it was a more numerous aircraft that saw action in africa / Mediterranean Theatre whilst the I.A.R 81 only saw service either on the eastern front or defending against US bomber forces.

I really like both aircraft and i would buy both if they arrive but i would rather see the IAR 80 first in the skies over stalingrad.

The IAR would also have many more modifications and optional loadouts and changes (and the abillity to carry bombs)

Edited August 4, 2014 by SAFmattebubben

[Jaws2002]

_{Just to recap why the IAR-80/81 should be introduced first in Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad:}

 

_{Based in the Stalingrad area for from September 1942 until January 1943}

_{During this time the IAR fighters/fighter bombers did a lot of work:}

 

_{1386 sorties flown in}

_{415 missions}

_{30 divebombing missions}

_{41 confirmed kills}

_{14 aircraft lost in combat: 8 in dogfights, 3 by AAA and 3 on the ground bombed by VVS bombers}

 

_{There's plenty there to make few good Historical careers for the IAR. You can easy make at least a historical fighter career based on 8th fighter group and a dive bombing/fighter bombing career based on the historical actions of the 6th fighter group. You can also use IAR's activity at Stalingrad in creating historical missions for the Russian planes.}

 

_{There were more IARs lost in combat than all Macchi c.202 present on the entire Eastern Front during this period!}

_{c.202 had flown only 17 combat missions during this period and were based far away from Stalingrad. What are they going to use to make a career for the type? The Machi bases are not even on the map, there's nothing to make a historical career for the C.202.}

 

_{I hope we get the Macchi at some point, but between this two, for a Stalingrad based release, the IAR-80/81 is the plane to use for many reasons.}

 

_{The IAR is also a lot more interesting when it comes to weapons it can carry:}

 

_{present at Stalingrad:}

  _{-IAR-80B - 4x7.9x57mm+2x13.2xx99mm FN Browning machine guns}

 

_{-IAR-81   - 6x7.9x57mm FN Brownings + 2x50kg bombs}

                                                               _{+1x250kg bomb}

                                                               _{+1x100kg bomb}

                                                               _{+2x50kg+1x250kg bombs}

                                                               _{+2x50kg+1x100kg bombs}

 

_{introduced in February 1943, but not present at Stalingrad}

_{-IAR-80C -4x7.92x57mm FN brownings +2x20mm MG-FF drum fed cannons}

 

_{Mid 1943 final version of the aircraft , built in most numbers}

 

_{-IAR-81C----2x7.92mm FN Brownings +2x20mm MG151/20 cannons    + 2x50kg bombs}

                                                                                                                                        _{+1x250kg bomb}

                                                                                                                                        _{+1x100kg bomb}

                                                                                                                                        _{+2x50kg+1x250kg bombs}

                                                                                                                                        _{+2x50kg+1x100kg bombs}

 

_{And later weapons upgrades of early IAR-80 fighters}

 

_{IAR-80M 2x7.9mm FN brownings +2x20mm MG151/20 cannons.}

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2014 by Jaws2002

[Emgy]

IAR-80 wins when combined with the Russian poll.

 

IAR: 660 votes

Macchi: 589

[Lereniu]

i like the Folgore, however in my opinion IAR 80 would be a better choise, not only because she's pretty but historically this aircraft had more contribution to eastern front.

[AceRevo]

Just voted for the IAR 80  

[Naire]

It´s simple for me. When IAR 80 comes into this game, I will definitely buy it. 

And beside my preferentions, it´s really more logical to include it than Macchi due to number of missons, aircraft on the battlefield, their location etc., everything that was mentioned here.

[tibaltleu]

IAR80 all the way!

It's one of the most rellevant planes of the Eastern Front.

[Jaws2002]

I just ordered a 1/32 model of the IAR-81c made by FRROM. It's the first time the IAR was made in this scale. It's going to be a long time until I can put it together, but I can't wait to get my hands on it.

 

This is the kit:

 

http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/reviews/kits/fr8001reviewbg_1.htm

 

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=10351

 

 

 

Radu B, who wrote a IAR-80/81 book, did two extra sets of decals for the kit so I got it from them.

http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22&products_id=462

 

 

And a cool profile....

Edited September 4, 2014 by Jaws2002

[skunkling]

The 202. Had better handling characteristics and was 2 years newer. '38 vs '40.

Also the IAR was a designed as a ground attack vehicle, the 202 was 'considered' a modern fighter.

Edited September 5, 2014 by skunkling

[Jaws2002]

The 202.

Also the IAR was a designed as a ground attack vehicle,

Wrong. Some versions of the aircraft were designed as dive bombers, some as fighter bombers, but the plane started as fighter and the vast majority of the air frames were used as fighters.

 

the 202 was 'considered' a modern fighter.

Yes. The 202 was a modern fighter that saw Stalingrad only in postcards.

[Lereniu]

The 202. Had better handling characteristics and was 2 years newer. '38 vs '40.

Also the IAR was a designed as a ground attack vehicle, the 202 was 'considered' a modern fighter.

"The IAR 80 was a Romanian World War II low-wing, monoplane, all-metal monocoque fighter and ground-attack aircraft. When it first flew, in 1939, it was comparable to contemporary designs such as the German Messerschmitt Bf 109B, the British Hawker Hurricane Mk.I, and the American Curtiss P-40B/Tomahawk Mk.I and superior to the Dutch Fokker D.XXI and Polish PZL P.24."

 

A Luftwaffe major that tested it in March 1941 had this to say about the IAR-80:

"Take off and landing are very good. It's 20–30 km/h slower than the Bf-109E. The climb to 5,000 meters is equivalent. In a dogfight, the turns are also equivalent, although the long nose reduces the visibility. In a dive it's outclassed by the Bf-109E, because it lacks an automated propeller pitch regulator. It's a fighter adequate to modern needs."

 

And that is just from wikipedia. Inform yourself before making a statement like that. It is not a debate which is better but which would u want. Yes Folgore had some specs a little bit higher but is logical why(folgore was designed later), but on eastern front iar80 was the one present until the end. And as i said before, i like the folgore myself but i want the IAR80.

If your are still not conviced look up "P38 Blackest Day Ploiesti" and you will see that, even in the second part of the war when it war technollogicaly out-of-date it still had the capabilities to fight.

 

Edited September 5, 2014 by Lereniu

[duko]

IAR 80 ofc

[Good991]

can't really decide which one i'd prefer :/ but cause IAR sounds more legit for stalingrad i voted for it

[James_Workshop]

Difficult choice, but leaning towards the Folgore.

[SYN_Ricky]

Yes. The 202 was a modern fighter that saw Stalingrad only in postcards.

 

And as far as italian fighters are concerned, the MC.200 saw more action in the East than the 202.

[Jaws2002]

See you over the Tractor factory.

 

 

 

[E69_julian57]

Vote for the IAR 80, it was present in Stalingrado battle in major number.

[ACG_Smokejumper]

Poll choice sucks. 

 

Lend Lease

 

Hurricane

Spitfire

P39

P40

P-63

A-20H-1-DO Havoc

P-47

B-25

 

 

So many cool choices. The Battle of Stalingrad was after the Lend Lease Program was well underway.

 

 

I would actually play the Russian side more often. I dislike the Russian a/c. Just a personal thing. I think they are ugly.

Edited December 20, 2014 by SMOKEJUMPER

[ACG_Smokejumper]

An additional bonus might be Americans actually playing this game. After all you guys over the water go to bed the servers are dead.

[=SIM=Ruttley]

Why not both?

[jeanba]

It seems the Mc202 won !

[Jaws2002]

It seems the Mc202 won !

 

There is a similar poll in the Russian forum. Between the two polls the IAR is ahead with some fifty votes.

[Wickedb]

With the current number of votes I think the title should change to what plane will get into the game first. IAR 80 get's my vote for a better historical accuracy and because it's a great Romanian plane.

[Noe]

Macchi !!!

[Jaws2002]

One way or another I'll get my IAR-81.

 

 

My IAR-81 wannabe Foke.

 

Download links:

http://www.mediafire.com/download/5o2b1bkook7t3rc/FW190a3_bambi.dds

http://www.mediafire.com/download/2ibi00v8gandzb1/fw190a3_bambi_mate.dds    (mate version, darker alpha)

 

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[Y-29.Silky]

IAR was heavily used on the Eastern Front compared to the MC202.

IAR was heavily used on the Eastern Front compared to the MC202.

[Bmezz]

Didn't the Russians have P-40's, P-47's and Hurricanes by the time of the BOS?

[BlitzPig_EL]

P 40s and Hurricanes, yes.

 

P-47s came much later.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Yes and only very few P-47 were delivered to the UdSSR. Later on they also reccieved the Cobras as well as Spitfire Mk.IXs (which they didn't really like though) in decent numbers.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The first three trial P 47Bs were delivered to the VVS in March of 1943.

 

In total the VVS received a total of no more than 203 P47s, and they were not well liked by pilots, owing to their lack of maneuverability at low altitudes, and served mainly as high altitude fighters covering areas in the rear.

 

The VVS did not use them for ground attack.