What fighter of non-German origin would you be most interested in?

[Lusekofte]

If I could choose I would like to have the Buffalo and a Finnish squad into this battle but of the choices we got I like to have the IAR. We are talking about Stalingrad and not NA

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Edited August 13, 2013 by 9./ZG26Jaeger

[Lusekofte]

[Dutch]

Stupid poll. A choice of two? Ridiculous. Not voted.

[Original_Uwe]

Well at least you posted, thanks so much for that gem.

 

Here's a vote for the macchi!

[Dakpilot]

Stupid poll? When the devs offer potential customers the opportunity to choose between two candidates for future inclusion I feel happy they are even asking our opinion, stupid attitude more like, lol

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

Stupid poll? When the devs offer potential customers the opportunity to choose between two candidates for future inclusion I feel happy they are even asking our opinion, stupid attitude more like, lol

Agree in every word.

[KastaRules]

C.202 Folgore all the way baby!!!

[ThudThunder]

I don't know much about the Battle of Stalingrad in terms of planes, but I do know that the Russians used American aircraft, so I guess its more of a question on my part....

Did they use American aircraft in the BoS?  If so, will they be modeled? 

[Jaws2002]

I don't know much about the Battle of Stalingrad in terms of planes, but I do know that the Russians used American aircraft, so I guess its more of a question on my part....

Did they use American aircraft in the BoS?  If so, will they be modeled? 

There's a similar poll where you get to chose between P-40 and Hurricane here:

 

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/745-poll-what-soviet-lend-lease-fighter-are-you-looking-forward/

[Jaws2002]

Look at this IAR-80B.

 

You can tell this thing saw a lot of action at Stalingrad.

 

 

 

The natural choice for Stalingrad.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Jaws2002

[Jaws2002]

But to not let the Italians empty handed, after they model the IAR-80/81, they can model the one Italian plane that fought hard at Stalingrad:  Savoia-Marchetti  JRS-79B.  

 

The1st Romanian Bomber Group equipped with 22  Savoia-Marchetti JRS-79B were sent to Stalingrad in September 1942 and were involved in fighting until Januarry 1943.

 

Cool bird.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2013 by Jaws2002

[andyw248]

I think the Polikarpov I-16 is a must. The fighters that have been announced so far are all from the 41/42 era, so it would be great to fly such an iconic plane from the mid-30s era. Also, the I-16 was still heavily used in 1941 against Bf 109s, so it would be tempting to try how that goes in the sim. 

[Falco_Peregrinus]

It's got to be the C.202 "Folgore"

 

For 4 reasons mostly

 

1) It was there and it fought there as well as the IAR 80 (even though, as it has been said, in less important numbers, but nonetheless it was there, so it wouldn't be "non-historical" to have it)

 

2) It simply was an outstanding machine, a generation ahead compared to the IAR, and it will be much more competitive against the Soviet warplanes in the game (we are talking here about 600 km/h of max speed...the IAR will have a tough time against the VVS...)

La-5 and Yak 1 will both be slower than the C.202 in the game. (580 and 569 km/h respectively)

The Bf.109F and G a little bit faster.

It could fit between these types.

 

3) It will be a next step towards a future and different theatre in mind (MTO!)

 

4) I think it could attract more players (and $$$) to the game, as it is a more recognized airplane and quite well known as well.

 

 

 

And to be honest, it was just too beutiful...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How this plane could fare against the P-40E.

 

A British fighter pilot , D.H. Clarke of 256 Squadron RAF, who fought against the C.202 in North Africa, said:

    "...Sleek, supremely fast - the sight of their high, white-crossed fin would have struck fear into our hearts had the Italians pressed home their attacks. The odd pilot proved that the 202 was capable of mixing it in a dogfight - out-turning our P-40s with ease; but the majority would pull away effortlessly into a climbing roll or a roll off the top when things became at all hectic. There is nothing more exasperating, when you are caning fifty-four inches of boost out of an engine, than to see your enemy indulge in carefree aerobatics; but although we did our damnedest to get near enough to shoot at them, we seldom succeeded. Their aircraft was superior to ours on all counts. No wonder we wanted to fly one..."

(http://www.stormomag...arativeTest.htm)

 

 

But considering that the romanian airplane was employed much more than the Macchi, why we couldn't have BOTH planes???   

Edited August 29, 2013 by Ioshic

[Dormouse]

The plane on display looks suspiciously like a 205, of course I might be wrong...

[Falco_Peregrinus]

The plane on display looks suspiciously like a 205, of course I might be wrong...

 

The simplest way to recognize which is which, is to look at their oil radiators under the engine.

Even though the airplanes were basically the same externally, they had a different oil radiators layout.

 

The C.202 had a single, squared, centered radiator, while the C.205 had a cool looking system with 2 rounded small

radiators under the engine.

 

This is the C.205 at the same "Vigna di Valle" IAF museum 

 

Edited August 30, 2013 by Ioshic

[Dormouse]

Thanks, I'll try to remember

[Enkas]

Absolutely Macchi 202. 

[Cosstarica]

IAR80 all the way!!!

[TheBlackPenguin]

Whichever one wins the vote does not necessarily mean the loser won't be in the sim at a later point, at least I would hope so .

[Jaws2002]

The main reason The IAR-80/81 should be introduced first in Il-2 Battle of Stalingrad:

 

Based in the Stalingrad area for from September 1942 until January 1943

During this time the IAR fighters/fighter bombers did a lot of work:

 

1386 sorties flown in

415 missions

30 divebombing missions

41 confirmed kills

14 aircraft lost in combat: 8 in dogfights, 3 by AAA and 3 on the ground bombed by VVS bombers

 

There's plenty there to make few good Historical careers for the IAR. You can easy make at least a historical fighter career based on 8th fighter group and a dive bombing/fighter bombing career based on the historical actions of the 6th fighter group. You can also use IAR's activity at Stalingrad in creating historical missions for the Russian planes.

 

There were more IARs lost in combat than all Macchi c.202 present on the entire Eastern Front during this period!

c.202 had flown only 17 combat missions during this period and were based far away from Stalingrad. What are they going to use to make a career for the type? The Machi bases are not even on the map, there's nothing to make a historical career for the C.202.

 

I hope we get the Macchi at some point, but between this two, for a Stalingrad based release, the IAR-80/81 is the plane to use for many reasons.

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2013 by Jaws2002

[Jaws2002]

Let's not forget the importance of bomb carrying ability of the IAR-81.   I had some of the most fun online flying Jabo missions in heavily defended areas.

 

 

 

[csThor]

What jaws said ...

Edited September 1, 2013 by csThor

[ST_ami7b5]

What jaws said ...

+1

[TetraD]

Current situation: Russian forum 171-111 to IAR, english forum macchi leads 154-110: IAR leads 281-265.

[leitmotiv]

tight race

[Jaws2002]

Edited September 1, 2013 by Jaws2002

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

Of those two, I would pick the IAR 80.  That probably has good viability in the air but it looks like a nightmare to taxi.  It would be fun to try.

[Vig]

I love the little Romanian IAR's, that would be my choice for Stalingrad.  But I also love the Italian planes - especially the radials - and would very much like to see them soon thereafter.

[dodovici]

Iar 80 all the way , i didnt even heard of Macchi C.202 Folgore being present at Stalingrad.

Romanian pilots flying IAR 80 did their job very good on the Stalingrad front.

Iar-80 was a great plane who fought from the begining of the war till the end , it deserves recognition.I would love to see it in the game , thank you.

 

 

 

Rare image -IAR 80 killing a P-38 , 10th of June 1944.

 

A picture says more than 1000 words.

 

Edited September 2, 2013 by gr8dodovici

[Jaws2002]

Iar 80 all the way , i didnt even heard of Macchi C.202 Folgore being present at Stalingrad.

Romanian pilots flying IAR 80 did their job very good on the Stalingrad front.

Iar-80 was a great plane who fought from the begining of the war till the end , it deserves recognition.I would love to see it in the game , thank you.

 

 

 

Rare image -IAR 80 killing a P-38 , 10th of June 1944.

 

A picture says more than 1000 words.

 

That image is a screenshot from Il-2. It's been presented as historical by someone with a twisted sense of humor.

 

Don't feel bad. I've seen it posted in news articles on the web.

Edited September 2, 2013 by Jaws2002

[hiro]

i voted  Macchi C.202 Folgore  because its all about getting my sahara on and getting a little foxy up in heeeaaare!

 

I am hoping, BOS, then another add on to bolster that era. 

 

Then jump to Mediterranean or early pacific . 

[ITAF_Rani]

My grandfather flew Mc202, during WW 2 in the MTO ( Sardegna 1943)....he spoke about it like a marvellous plane and very manouvrable....flyng the C202 the gap with allied planes was almost solved..

 

Salute

[JG26Hans_J_Marseille]

Of course, we'd like to add more aircraft after game's release. What fighter of non-German origin would you be most interested in?

 

Because i know a squad-mate of mine would die for (yeah, pointing on you, Hell ), i voted for the IAR 80

[Cybermat47]

I voted for the Folgore. Not for a Mediterranean addon (EHY IS EVERYONE OBSESSED WITH THAT?!), but because I love Italian planes. I don't even know that much about them, but they just look so cool.

[Jaws2002]

II./ZG76_Cybermat47, on 15 Sept 2013 - 22:27, said:

I voted for the Folgore. Not for a Mediterranean addon (EHY IS EVERYONE OBSESSED WITH THAT?!), but because I love Italian planes. I don't even know that much about them, but they just look so cool.

 

 

What we know is that Mc202s  were sitting in repair shops, far away, during the Battle of Stalingrad, while slow a$$ IAR-80s and IAR-81's duked it out with the VVS. 

 

60+ IAR-80/81s were involved in the fighting at Stalingrad and flew 1386 sorties.

 

I hope they go for substance this time. Otherwise they may just as well model the Me-262 and Tempest because they are fast and cool.

Edited September 16, 2013 by Jaws2002

[Sturmgeschultz]

I am for the IAR80. It fits with the Eastern front, and Id rather see them adding to the current set then starting something new.

[ander96alex]

There were only a few Folgore's while IAR 80's were widely engaging in Stalingrad,if the game wants to stay historical authentic then we add IAR 80 or why not both.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

What we know is that Mc202s  were sitting in repair shops, far away, during the Battle of Stalingrad, while slow a$$ IAR-80s and IAR-81's duked it out with the VVS. 

 

60+ IAR-80/81s were involved in the fighting at Stalingrad and flew 1386 sorties.

 

I hope they go for substance this time. Otherwise they may just as well model the Me-262 and Tempest because they are fast and cool.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

The simplest way to recognize which is which, is to look at their oil radiators under the engine.Even though the airplanes were basically the same externally, they had a different oil radiators layout. The C.202 had a single, squared, centered radiator, while the C.205 had a cool looking system with 2 rounded smallradiators under the engine. This is the C.205 at the same "Vigna di Valle" IAF museum   

 

Mc 205 Veltro had also another different very important thing....a pair of 20 mm machine gun into the wings....

[Cybermat47]

What we know is that Mc202s  were sitting in repair shops, far away, during the Battle of Stalingrad, while slow a$$ IAR-80s and IAR-81's duked it out with the VVS. 

 

60+ IAR-80/81s were involved in the fighting at Stalingrad and flew 1386 sorties.

 

I hope they go for substance this time. Otherwise they may just as well model the Me-262 and Tempest because they are fast and cool.

Well thank you, now I'm trying to decide wether or not to change my post