Suicidal Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Hello everyone, I am seriously considering purchasing this game this week but I have some concerns. As a flight simmer for the last 25 years or so I have seen it all and was wondering what this sim brings to the table that is different. 1. First off it seems that everyone is flying as German since the Russian planes are outclassed, a real problem for me since I always fly Allied and I am concerned about there being enough Allied players to fly with online. Are the teams kept balanced in some way or is it just like CloD where its 3 to 1 Axis? 2. Is the Yak-1 at all a match for the 109? Obviously the LaGG is complete shite and nothing but a target for Axis planes, but how about the Yak? Will I just be cannon fodder for Axis aircraft? Mind you I was able to keep a 4 to 1 KDR in CloD full real servers in a Spitfire vs the 109's. Does even an experienced and capable pilot stand a chance in the Yak or is it just a turkey shoot in every online match? 3. Multiplayer in general. Given that the AI in these games generally sucks, (IL-2 1946 as an exception, the Ai seemed pretty capable there so I dont know wtf happened with the last disaster known as Cliffs of Dover) will there be a good strong focus on MP in this sim? I am mostly interested in full realism, full flight model flying with some sort of objective based play. I understand the game is not finished yet but what are your impressions of MP currently, and where do you believe, as folks who have played the sim already, it is going? 4. Your opinions in general. If anyone would like to highlight any outstanding positives and negatives about this sim please do so, I would greatly appreciate it. Salute!
SYN_Mike77 Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 I just got off of the european full real server and the teams were dead even. The 109 is the best fighter and the easiest to control and fight with. The Lagg 3 is not in the same class. However the Yak 1 can take on the 109 and the better pilot will usually win. The game isn't done right now and most on line stuff is fighter v fighter and most of it down low. However there will be much more realistic mission based servers when the game is done. When it comes to moving mud the Soviets will have a distinct advantage with both the IL2 and the Pe2 being great at close in support. The germans will have the better higher altitude, level bomber with the He 111, however. All in all I think it will be pretty even. Plus there are squadrons that are dedicated allied fliers and others that are dedicated to being a mix of both.
siipperi Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Ai was good or seemed to be because it had different fm in il2 46. And russian planes are somewhat more powerful than they should be especially LaGG.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 1. First off it seems that everyone is flying as German since the Russian planes are outclassed, a real problem for me since I always fly Allied and I am concerned about there being enough Allied players to fly with online. Are the teams kept balanced in some way or is it just like CloD where its 3 to 1 Axis? Teams are usually pretty even, there is also balancing system in place. (Funny though about what you are saying about CloD, at the moment there seems to be 17 allied and 20 axis on ATAG server and many times allies actually outnumber Germans, so I think it's not like what you said anymore.) 2. Is the Yak-1 at all a match for the 109? Obviously the LaGG is complete shite and nothing but a target for Axis planes, but how about the Yak? Will I just be cannon fodder for Axis aircraft? Mind you I was able to keep a 4 to 1 KDR in CloD full real servers in a Spitfire vs the 109's. Does even an experienced and capable pilot stand a chance in the Yak or is it just a turkey shoot in every online match? Bf 109 is better than Yak, but difference is not that big and Yak is better turner. It's like Mike said, it usually comes down to pilot, not the plane.
Finkeren Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 I actually don't think the AI sucks at all in BoS.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 And about this: 4. Your opinions in general. If anyone would like to highlight any outstanding positives and negatives about this sim please do so, I would greatly appreciate it. Positive thing in BoS is that they seem to get balance between realism and playability right. Complex engine management is not quite so complex as in CloD or DCS, but there is still enough for most people, I would think. There has been some disappointments about skinning and status of mission builder, but at least I am still in positive mood about this. My biggest worry is that BoS will not be enough of commercial success to justify further development after the release.
DD_Arthur Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Hello RedRide and welcome to the forums. Whilst I'm waiting for the game to be updated and my wife to cook a large curry I'll give you my opinion on the points you raise. 1) At the moment sides in multiplayer are even as there is auto balancing in operation. This is because the game is in development and the multiplayer element has been provided to enable us to give feedback to the devs and for them to work on their net code. Lots of people seem to forget this at the moment. As you say, historically Soviet planes at this time were outclassed but even when the game is released and auto balance is lifted I don't think we will be seeing hordes of LW overwhelming the Soviets. Currently, the '109 has a few quirks to its flight model that in my opinion certainly don't make it the easiest to fly or fight with. Personally, I'm rather fond of the LaGG-3 as it was the first plane to be released and I find both its cockpit and its flight model rather pleasing. In a full switch server my tactics are to fly high, select a victim below and then just let it plummet! 2) In my opinion the Yak-1 is certainly competitive with the '109. Mostly because '109 pilots still can't resist the urge to turn fight. The '109 is obviously faster in a straight line and in the climb but online, time and time again I've followed '109's who out-pace the Yak but eventually cannot resist the urge to turn and have another go. Then its game on! This weekend we are getting the chance to try out the La-5 in multiplayer and its low-level performance is certainly going to put the wind up a few regular 109 jockeys! 3) Multiplayer in general? Too early to say but since this is the same team that made RoF and BoS is based on the same game engine, on release I believe there will be a variety of servers offering a variety of options. The map is large and comprehensive.....if a little white and offers the opportunity to run a variety of scenarios. I believe the group that runs the best server in RoF - full switch, objective based missions - will be up and running a similar server and I'm really looking forward to this ( Salute SYN guys!) as I believe multiplayer will be a bit special due to the strengths of this sim. For me the outstanding feature is the sheer "feeling" of flight that this sim is able to produce. Both in its flight models and the environment provided for us. Weather effects are outstanding and are going to provide plenty of opportunity for stalking and of course, overall this sim looks fantastic. I made this a few weeks back to show some squadmates the current state of play in BoS. There are plenty of positives and undeniably there will be negatives too but we are still in the development stages so its a wait and see situation. If the game is a commercial success on its general release in September then I feel we will all be able to look forward to some exciting times ahead in a variety of theatres and aircraft. Ahhh...............curry time. S! and hope to see you in the skies of BoS in the future. 1
Suicidal Posted June 27, 2014 Author Posted June 27, 2014 Looks awesome, I think I'm gonna have to get this, even if its terrible(though i doubt it will be now that 777 is involved) lol. The only thing that really concerns me now is 777's pay to win model, constantly having to buy the newest aircraft to remain competitive will get tiresome I would think. But then theres always the satisfaction of shooting down some fancy new plane in your old outdated one too I guess. See you guys in the air soon!
BraveSirRobin Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 The only thing that really concerns me now is 777's pay to win model, constantly having to buy the newest aircraft to remain competitive will get tiresome It probably would be tiresome if it were true, but it's not. You don't get any unfair advantages with new RoF aircraft.
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 S! BoS will have separate planes to buy, but I think in general they will release new stuff as DLC or packages with planes and all. No P2W at all.
Suicidal Posted June 27, 2014 Author Posted June 27, 2014 It probably would be tiresome if it were true, but it's not. You don't get any unfair advantages with new RoF aircraft. Well, if they were to release, say, a Fw-190 A8 and a Yak-3 your saying I wouldnt be at a disadvantage flying around against them in a Yak-1 that was released in the retail version? Sounds like some poor quality physics modeling goin on there. So, to keep up with the new airplanes I would have to buy the new airplanes... Thats pay to win isnt it?
Finkeren Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) New aircraft won't be released as individual DLCs after release, this is not the RoF model. Besides: New content is just as likely to go back in time as forward. The next release might contain I-16s or Bf 109 Es for all we know, which will be less capable than what we have now. This has nothing to do with pay-to-win. Pay-to-win is when the most effective planes (or weapons or tanks or whatever) are only available at an extra charge, and these are usually ridiculously overpowered. This is not the case here. The 2 extra planes coming with the premium version aren't necessarily "better" than the rest - the La-5 certainly isn't - they're just different planes. Edited June 27, 2014 by Finkeren
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 S! And you won't be facing the other planes if server so decides. So no Fw190A-3 if there is a historical Stalingrad server in BoS. I dare to say that will be same in later iterations/add-ons that hopefully will come.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Finkeren and Flanker got it right. There should be no reason to worry about that stuff.
Suicidal Posted June 27, 2014 Author Posted June 27, 2014 Well, thats good. I am going to purchase the standard edition tonight or tomorrow, see you in the air soon!
BraveSirRobin Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Well, if they were to release, say, a Fw-190 A8 and a Yak-3 your saying I wouldnt be at a disadvantage flying around against them in a Yak-1 that was released in the retail version? Sounds like some poor quality physics modeling goin on there. So, to keep up with the new airplanes I would have to buy the new airplanes... Thats pay to win isnt it? Or they could release something inferior to the 109. That makes it pay to lose. Of course, it's neither. It's pay to get the aircraft that they're selling. Or don't pay and just fly the stuff you already bought. 1
FlatSpinMan Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 Hope you enjoy it. No need to worry about Pay to Win.
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