I know devs are busy...

[354thFG_Panda_]

6 minutes ago, TheAngryGamer said:

Panda, they can have all the time in the world. But there is a whole different conversation going on else where about just not spending on this company anymore. And I agree. I am really regretting preordering the Norway expansion. I got it for the other P51. But wish I hadn't.  But, like others, my wallet will not be opening for anything from these guys again. 

Send link of website market place Norway expansion please...

 

Panda

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

16 hours ago, TheAngryGamer said:

I was referring to the fact that it was moved to complaints when I was suggesting task a minimal amount of resources to addressing the issues. 

 

You don't like the way the .50 calibers are modeled.  You have issues with the AI.  You think developers should be working on those things instead of others.  Those are complaints.  Valid maybe, not valid maybe, but still complaints.  It is not an insult to have something moved to the complaints section.  This is just where such things go.

 

Oh, and complaining about your post being moved to Complaints ... also a complaint.

Edited August 6, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[SCG_motoadve]

2 hours ago, TheAngryGamer said:

Panda, they can have all the time in the world. But there is a whole different conversation going on else where about just not spending on this company anymore. And I agree. I am really regretting preordering the Norway expansion. I got it for the other P51. But wish I hadn't.  But, like others, my wallet will not be opening for anything from these guys again. 

Chill man .50s are ok, just not all systems are modeled which would have normally been hit by them.

Often I do sorties with a P51 where I get 4 to 6 kills in quick combat, would love to see more systems damage modeled though.

What Norway expansion? (I would buy it).

Are you trying to scare this company by saying there are conversations to not spend any more money?  5 people out of hundred of thousands in this community ?that is very funny. ?

[Denum]

22 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Are you trying to scare this company by saying there are conversations to not spend any more money?  5 people out of hundred of thousands in this community ?that is very funny. 

 

Well, it's substantially far more then 5, I'll tell you that. But most have just packed up and left. I'm talking entire online squadrons which I know to the single player community is "no big deal". But it's definitely felt within the online community.

 

Enough to make any changes? I doubt it. 

 

 

Personally once I get tired of dealing with poor AP or getting one shoot by over powered HE,  I just fly the Typhoon or Tempest and enjoy the opponents screaming about a broken plane. If you can't beat them, join them.

 

Or if I'm really wanting to have a easier game I just fly German, it's amazing how much damage you can take and escape with in a 190.

 

That's the reality currently.

 

When that changes is anyone's guess. I know they're busy and Jason is getting railed from both sides and I don't feel that's fair of us to be doing so.

 

I appreciate his efforts and I feel people underestimate what it's like working under a company the size of 1C.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Denum

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

1 hour ago, Denum said:

Or if I'm really wanting to have a easier game I just fly German, it's amazing how much damage you can take and escape with in a 190.

I have been flying more german the last week just because of a squad event. I can say, it's like having training wheels. 

1 hour ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Are you trying to scare this company by saying there are conversations to not spend any more money?  5 people out of hundred of thousands in this community ?that is very funny

I am completely aware at this point the company doesn't give a shit. So, no, I am not trying to scare the company. If anything, I am trying to encourage people sick and tired of the shit to stop spending. Then the rest of you can simply fly against the broken AI and have a blast because there won't be enough left to support an online dedicated server. 

[LR.King1]

14 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

If you don't like our .50s go play with the mod someone made for them. No one is stopping you from that while you wait for us to find the time to yet again change weapons performance. 

 

Jason

 

Hey Jason, go fuck yourself. 

 

Cheers

 

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being an ass, but cunt seems to be the only language you understand.

Edited August 6, 2021 by LR.King1

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Deary me, and entitled babies expect the developers to take them seriously. Despicable.....  

[Beazil]

Closed in five, four, three ....

[357th_Dog]

15 minutes ago, LR.King1 said:

 

Hey Jason, go fuck yourself. 

 

Cheers

 

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being an ass, but cunt seems to be the only language you understand.

Not helpful in any way, shape or form...please don't make the job of keeping things civil and trying to work together harder by throwing a molotov of malarkey into the mix

[Thad]

8 minutes ago, LR.King1 said:

 

Hey Jason, go fuck yourself. 

 

Cheers

 

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being an ass, but cunt seems to be the only language you understand.

 

You are an embarrassment to our community. 

 

It just doesn't seem that you are an ass you are a actual vulgar arse. Please do all of us a favor and go to another gaming community. Oh, and don't let our hangar doors hit you on the arse on the way out. 

[Denum]

6 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Custard said:

Deary me, and entitled babies expect the developers to take them seriously. Despicable.....  

I choked on my drink at that last comment. 

 

I'm certainly not excited at the state of things but that's just uncalled for!

Edited August 6, 2021 by Denum

[BraveSirRobin]

That’s a lot of anger for a dude with only 2 prior posts on the forum.

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

28 minutes ago, LR.King1 said:

Jason, go fuck yourself. 

 Even I held short of that one. 

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Hi guys, dont take my comment in bad direction , but when i see mentions about the .50 cals , i ask myself what is what these people claim about? , i fly 90% of times axis and many times Mustangs and p47s ( especially this one ) kills me with one burst ( or almost left the pilot unconcious ), again, dont take my comment with bad attitude, contrary of that, i can give testimony of how lethal are the 50s ?.

 

S

48 minutes ago, LR.King1 said:

 

Hey Jason, go fuck yourself. 

 

Cheers

 

Sorry if it sounds like I'm being an ass, but cunt seems to be the only language you understand.

 

Say good bye fella!

 

?

[-332FG-Buddy]

12 hours ago, QB.Creep said:

Hmm… I dunno about that comparison. IL2’s FM (flap abuse, unrealistic AoA, no P-factor/torque, low speed controllability), has a lot more in common with SC (jousting turrets in space!) than DCS does. DCS lacks polish but the core aspects of the sim (FM and DM) are far better than IL2 is right now. And that is more important to me. That and the fact that API is implemented and it is effective. It is such a great feeling bouncing a 109 in a 51, putting a solid burst of 50s in him, and setting him ablaze. I haven’t had that experience in IL2 for over a year and a half.

Well said

[Denum]

 

19 minutes ago, GOA_Firebird_VR said:

Hi guys, dont take my comment in bad direction , but when i see mentions about the .50 cals , i ask myself what is what these people claim about? , i fly 90% of times axis and many times Mustangs and p47s ( especially this one ) kills me with one burst ( or almost left the pilot unconcious ), again, dont take my comment with bad attitude, contrary of that, i can give testimony of how lethal are the 50s ?.

 

S

I've experienced it also, but I've also been on the other end often where they just flat out don't work.

 

 

Yaks proposed changes don't alter anything aside from giving the round historical dispersion, mass and velocity. So it's fairly safe to implement.

 

Currently in game the .50 is short on penetration (shooting over 200 yards is ineffective, so it requires you to get very close) and renders any type of boom and zoom rather pointless. 

 

The current DM requires the allied MG players to be substantially more skilled to have the same success and their opponents. 

 

Generally when I'm getting instant killed the allied fighter is very tight to me while shooting. It happens with annoying frequency but from a historical perspective it's not correct. They shouldn't need to practically park on me. Especially when I can severely damage them at 3 times the distance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Denum

[LR.King1]

44 minutes ago, 357th_Dog said:

Not helpful in any way, shape or form...please don't make the job of keeping things civil and trying to work together harder by throwing a molotov of malarkey into the mix

 

I've sat here for a year, reading plenty of polite and well researched posts from the community, suggesting that the DM needs some work. I'm only speaking to the devs with the same derision they've shown the people who have suggested these changes. 

[CountZero]

29 minutes ago, GOA_Firebird_VR said:

Hi guys, dont take my comment in bad direction , but when i see mentions about the .50 cals , i ask myself what is what these people claim about? , i fly 90% of times axis and many times Mustangs and p47s ( especially this one ) kills me with one burst ( or almost left the pilot unconcious ), again, dont take my comment with bad attitude, contrary of that, i can give testimony of how lethal are the 50s ?.

 

S

 

Say good bye fella!

 

?

 

play online for few weeks on airplanes with only .50 cal guns and youll see whats problem.

 

its summer time drop in players is sun and sea, they will come back in few weeks ?

[BCI-Nazgul]

15 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

If you don't like our .50s go play with the mod someone made for them. No one is stopping you from that while you wait for us to find the time to yet again change weapons performance. 

 

Jason

As far as I know, that's not an option in multiplayer w/o rampant cheating unless you make it possible to control and verify the mods allowed by the server.

Edited August 6, 2021 by BCI-Nazgul

[Roland_HUNter]

14 hours ago, =AW=drewm3i-VR said:

I too am sad about the state of the sim/game currently because there it is a double-edged sword where there are so many things to like/love, but also many things that literally break the gameplay, especially only when human pilots learn to game the game to get kills in was that are both historically unrealistic and impossible in real life.

 

Here is but one example: 

 

 

And yet, there are also so many things done right in IL2 that it doesn't make me want to give up on it like mostly good flight models minus some bugs (typhoon pitch/ roll coupling, UFO tempest, etc.) and far too generous low speed handling (it is very hard to stall in il2 even under 100 mph in most planes), beautiful cockpits and 3d plane models, textured ground surfaces, adequate clouds, a great and accessible gui, a very good multiplayer menu and environment, tons of ww2 and ww1 planes, tanks all under one roof, easy to set up controls, ai that uses the same g-force model and flight model that can now kick your ass if you dont pay attention, etc.

 

But there are also so many glaring issues like the damage model which has many issues in itself such as:

as:

 

-AP M2 .50s with improper velocity, mass, and convergence (point convergence instead of box convergence which means it is fast or famine, which effects all allied planes primarily due to wing mounted guns).

 

-HE rounds that have an absurd blast radius and amount of shrapnel damage (they are currently like grenades) which results in one hit and a crippled plane that can barely stay in the air.

 

-Lack of API rounds, which were very effective at shredding planes structurally, destroying systems like control cables, hydraulics, etc. (which are not modeled in il2 which exacerbates the .50 issue), and causing some aerodynamic skin damage.

 

-Then there are also some bugs like the 190 horizontal stabilizer which can be blown half off with the plane retaining its ability to control itself and fight.

 

-Similarly, fire damage does not kill the pilot quick enough according to accounts where cockpits could instantly reach even temperatures in a matter of seconds...online pilots on fire sometimes keep fighting for a few minutes which is far too long.

 

-Engines can run (109) as if undamaged when streaming coolant and never seize even in combat mode for 10-25 minutes...this is unlike clod, dcs, etc.

 

-Another glaring issue is the ground handling where the 109 for example is easy to land (landing gear was prone to collapsing IRL), whereas the spitfire can almost not land without ground looping due to weak brakes.

 

Also engine timers which absolutely cripple my beloved p-40, which was a good fighter in 1941 with good firepower, handling, and speed at low altitude because it ran upwards of 60 inches (sometimes over 70" as in NA per the Allison memo) and over 3000 rpms. The Allison was a very durable engine. In game it is made of glass. This also effects the p39. In game, Hurricanes cover p-40s, in real life p-40s covered hurricanes in NA because the p-40 was FAR superior in every way minus sustained turn. We really need to move to a heat based engine model like DCS or CLoD. Timers should only matter for planes with water/methanol injection, or perhaps planes with known problematic engines like the k4.

 

There are also other gamey aspects that ruin immersion like the star wars tracers and lights that are visible from like 5 miles away. Online these are exploited which leads to airquake, instead of air combat.

 

Furthermore, the game engine is also aging and so limited. I just spent $2.5k on a PC (ryzen 5600x@4.85ghz, 32 gb 3800mhz, rtx 3080, 1 tb ssd) upgrade and I still have time dilation and slow downs in heavy scenarios (vr) offline because the ai uses far too many cpu resources for one core, while not properly loading others. These leads to small engagements with a few dozen units, unlike dcs or clod where campaigns have 100 regularly which is very cool. The game really needs to move to DX12 or Vulkan to improve multithreading and vr performance in particular. Also, the lack of real heavy bombers (like the b17 and b24) an ai radio command system that works and is interactive and intuitive (I would settle for something like what 1946 had) really puts me off single player. Online (on Finnish in particular), there are lots of odd bugs and stuttering due to the huge frontline with lots of units and older netcode which does not seem to support huge online battles.

 

The graphics engine is also showing its age, particularly in the terrain where it really does not look much better than RoF. The tree render distance and fire effects are really poor for 2021 for example (compared to DCS or even CLoD). Also, the Rheinland map for me is a huge disappointment because it is so desolate and is nothing like Western Europe (no farmhouses, livestock, windmills, fences, few roads, few trains, no birds or civilian traffic, no landmarks outside of the cities, no coal mines, etc.). Even with the modded textures and river color that the developers should totally patch into the base game, the landscape is so sterile and lifeless after flying over the Channel Map in DCS (which I only bought into out of frustration with the state of IL2 GB). The IL2 Rheinland is such a downgrade from Kuban and Stalingrad it is not even funny. Performance is not an excuse for the map as the map looks like it is from 2010 (really even CLoD's map that came out in 2011 is miles better). The sounds (especially flyby), color palette, clouds (need more layering) and lighting are also sorely in need of updates to keep up with the bar being set by DCS. Do not get me started on the 2d dancing trees and grass which were fine in 2014, but in vr in 2021 are really noticeable.

 

I wish the developers would use the passion of the modding community to their advantage to improve the maps like they have with other things in the past (4k cockpits for instance): there are great texture mods and retextures for all the maps that would really improve the look of the terrain. I use these offline, but cannot online which is a pity. There is also an upcoming prop texture mod, there are other mods for clouds, vr banding and aliasing fixes, etc. that should be vetted and integrated into the base game. Of course there are also dispersion and ballistics data fixes for the m.2 without using HE rounds that could be patched in as a temporary hotfix. We have so much passion for this game and want it to succeed, not just now, but into the future! The reason people get on here and whine is they care...us ww2 air combat do not have many options these days and every option is flawed which is okay in so far as feedback (especially that with data) is heard and implemented if found to be accurate. We ask for progress and happily support the game and its developers as long as we feel they are working in that direction.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't wish to argue with your full comment, I'll let to do that for others, but, this part...."(they are currently like grenades)" could not escape my attention
My boi a German 20mm HE has approx ~18 g of RDX, the MK 108 has even more around ~85 g of RDX.
RDX:Chemically, it is classified as a nitroamine alongside HMX, which is a more energetic explosive than TNT.
MK2 american grenade had:     21-52-66g of EC powder/TNT/Trojan in it
Trojan:Trojan Powder Company was a United States manufacturer of explosives founded in 1904 that made nitro-starch powder.
British Mills bomb had: 70 g of TNT.
French F-1 grenade had: 60 g of TNT.
German Model 39 grenade had: 112 g of TNT.
German M24 grenade had 170 g of TNT.

 

"They are currently like a grenades?"
Yes, because they has almost or more filling than a grenade.

I hope, I could help you.
Cheers o7

[Jason_Williams]

And as I have said MANY times, when I have the resources and space in the schedule to look at .50s again we will. And as I have said many times as well, tweaking our AP bullets affects many other things so we have to be careful and make some more changes beyond what the modders have done. Tweaking files is easy, making sure they don't break anything else is where we come in and WWI players also want tweaks to WWI bullets, so it's not just a simple case of tweaking a few files.

 

Calling me names isn't going to solve anything. Read the DD I have posted today, we are hardly sitting on our asses and I am short 9... yes 9 people we should have onboarded by now and I need to just make Normandy and FC2/3 possible in a reasonable time frame. Covid has screwed up so much in terms of productivity, mobility and the labor market that we are lucky to be where we even are. Changing the .50s is the least of my problems right now.

 

You can kill enemy planes with the .50s and there is a mod that does make them more powerful etc. but it is a mod and not the elegant solution some of you want. I'm sorry, but you'd just going to have to be patient a while longer and even then, you might not like our end result.

 

Jason

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

And one thing that was discussed was, just play single player. And I had mentioned the AI sucks. People seemed to not believe my claim so here is proof for you defv worshipers. The AI sucks and can't even fly a plane.

 

These are set to ace. 3 respawns. and this is exactly why I never play single player. May as well play MSFS because the AI are not combat proficient. 

 

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

And one thing that was discussed was, just play single player. And I had mentioned the AI sucks. People seemed to not believe my claim so here is proof for you defv worshipers. The AI sucks and can't even fly a plane.

 

These are set to ace. 3 respawns. and this is exactly why I never play single player. May as well play MSFS because the AI are not combat proficient. 

 

[AndyJWest]

You do understand the difference between fact and opinion?

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

yep, fact is people refused to believe the ai would crash 3 out of 3 times without a shot fired. fact is they did. opinion is, this makes single player useless for someone who enjoys a good dogfight

 

so go find someone dumber than you to try to sound smart against

 

This was purely to point out the fact that the AI are not combat capable. Not to look for off point quips for the community who need to deflect every comment into a spiraling argument so far from the point that it becomes stupid. Which is going to happen so, I am not going to respond to any more comments. Because I am certain they will not even be worth my time

 

[AndyJWest]

As the Reverend Spooner once said, such shiny wit...

[Q_Walker]

Instead of making a post like this, best you can do for the devs is take that track and the log for the mission and post it in the bugs forum. They are quick to respond there and you are actually helping them become aware of the issue so that they can find a fix. Posting in the complaints section about the AI helps no one. 

[BraveSirRobin]

6 minutes ago, Q_Walker said:

Instead of making a post like this, best you can do for the devs is take that track and the log for the mission and post it in the bugs forum. They are quick to respond there and you are actually helping them become aware of the issue so that they can find a fix. Posting in the complaints section about the AI helps no one. 

He is too smart to fall for that trick.

[TheAngryGamer_VR]

6 minutes ago, Q_Walker said:

Instead of making a post like this, best you can do for the devs is take that track and the log for the mission and post it in the bugs forum. They are quick to respond there and you are actually helping them become aware of the issue so that they can find a fix. Posting in the complaints section about the AI helps no one. 

Walker, An intelligent reply. Thank you so much. I posted it here because it would have been moved here anyways.

 

Just now, BraveSirRobin said:

He is too smart to fall for that trick.

But this guy could not come up with an intelligent reply so that's what he had. Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't reply but it is honestly so frustrating to see so much stupid.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

6 minutes ago, TheAngryGamer said:

Walker, An intelligent reply. Thank you so much. I posted it here because it would have been moved here anyways.

 

But this guy could not come up with an intelligent reply so that's what he had. Yeah, I know I said I wouldn't reply but it is honestly so frustrating to see so much stupid.

 

And I knew that you’d absolutely keep responding.   You know, because you’re so smart that you need to show us all how smart you are. Over and over again.  
 

Thanks for all those reminders of your smartness!

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Is there any particular reason for your rudeness and the generally unpleasant and unfriendly tone of your posts? If you're trolling and simply want to antagonise people, then well done since that's exactly what you're doing.

 

If you genuinely care and want the Devs and other gamers to notice your posts and give some advice and solutions, then I advise you to change your tone, be less rude and sarcastic but instead understanding, patient and overall a bit kinder. 

[Leon_Portier]

Try a 4 vs 4 dogfight, the AI is way better in those!

[Hoss]

I stopped watching as soon as I saw icons were on.