Historical Summer Scenery & Weather

[Chianti]

The battle of Stalingrad began in the late summer of 1942 (August 23). Consequently there should also be 'early' Stalingrad scenery and weather available in this sim in order to be historically correct - not just winter snow. Is that in the pipeline? Given the kind of prices you are asking (and charging for downloadable content on top of it - something I detest) we should be getting more scenery than just snow and repetative trees. I can just about forgive the non interactive clickable cockpits (incomprehensible in this day and age) but if there is no summer scenery - or worse summer scenery as a paid extra - I will seriously think twice before buying what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes. Better lighting yes, but a hell of a lot fewer planes.

[FlatSpinMan]

Hello

Welcome to the forums. Take it a bit easy. No one is forcing you to buy anything, so read around a bit and decide for yourself. Everyone has different 'non-negotiables'. This game covers only the winter portion of the campaign. For now, that's all we know. It's hoped that a summer map will be forthcoming, but the Devs are working hard on getting this one out the door successfully. If it is a success, who knows what will come?

[=CFC=Conky]

Hi Chianti,

 

Welcome to the forums.

 

When the original IL2 first came out the plane set was fairly limited, but as time went on more and more stuff was added. IL2 1946 was basically the last 'official' iteration of the game, and thanks to the hard work of TD and the active mod community, the game is even better. 

 

ROF also started out with a small plane set but is now well populated. As for paying for new aircraft, I think it's a business model we're going to have to get used to from now on. Depending on when you started playing the original IL2, you might have spent a good amount on all the expansion packs (Pacific Fighters, Forgotten Battles, third-party content, etc). ROF's kites are reasonably priced, especially when there is a sale on. The kites in BoS are arguably more complex so they might cost more, we'll just have to see. I hope to see reasonably priced expansion packs as well. The current prices for the sim probably also reflect the cost of development. A bit different paying up front for developing the game but in the end it will likely result in a better product, and right now it's a lot cheaper than what they're charging for games like Star Citizen.

 

Will we ever see BoS become a sim with 200+ flyable aircraft, dozens of maps and tons of user-made content? (FlatSpinMan's stuff comes to mind   )

 

I sure hope so! 

 

Good hunting,

CFC_Conky

Edited June 27, 2014 by CFC_Conky

[ShamrockOneFive]

Didn't Rise of Flight ship with just summer and then the other seasons were added? For free? Or not? Anyways... there's always the potential to see a summer map. I would even mind paying for it... IF... it came with a worthwhile load of content. Say a summer map plus some additional aircraft and even vehicles and other objects relevant to the opening stages of the Stalingrad battle. Aircraft like the I-153, I-16, Yak-7B, Su-2, Bf110, Bf109E, and (maybe) MC200 (all examples - there are more) in a package would be one way to do it and make it a worthwhile package.

[LukeFF]

 

 

Didn't Rise of Flight ship with just summer and then the other seasons were added? For free? Or not?

 

Yes, the main Western Front map initially was just in summer colors. Fall & Winter variations came later, at no cost. So far, the only map to date that is payware is the Channel map, which currently is summertime only. 

[Gambit21]

Given the kind of prices you are asking (and charging for downloadable content on top of it - something I detest) we should be getting more scenery than just snow and repetative trees. I can just about forgive the non interactive clickable cockpits (incomprehensible in this day and age) but if there is no summer scenery - or worse summer scenery as a paid extra - I will seriously think twice before buying what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes. Better lighting yes, but a hell of a lot fewer planes.

This is not 2001, and there is no "should" involved here any more than there was when the original sim was released.

BOS has a more developed flight model than the old IL2, and the whole thing is in it's beginning stages right now.

If this module is successful, more will follow. IL2 1946 was the final stage of a sim that took years to develop to that point.

Yes it had tons of planes, hardly any of which were without obvious inaccuracies - so not sure what you're on about here.

 

Also, not everyone thinks clickable cockpits are the way to go. The last time I was

in an aircraft I don't remember a little white arrow floating in front of my head, and having to use a mouse to move it around to boot.

Thus many of us don't think that's the most realistic solution, and I for one don't miss clickable cockpits in this sim.

It wouldn't necessarily bother me, but I don't miss it for the sake the realism.

 

The prices are a bargain considering what we get and the amount of work and resources that go into developing this software

or software like it.

In case you were not aware, they didn't find it laying in a forest somewhere and then decide to overcharge you for it.

They actually have to PAY people to work on it, and then hope everyone in a very small combat flight sim market considers purchasing it.

 

Yes you're just getting a winter map - I suggest you fly on it and be happy you have a new WWII sim and wait and see what else develops.

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yes, the main Western Front map initially was just in summer colors. Fall & Winter variations came later, at no cost. So far, the only map to date that is payware is the Channel map, which currently is summertime only. 

Makes sense to me. The Channel Map was an additional piece of content while the summer/fall/winter variations still use the base map - that's not saying that they weren't work for the developer but sometimes it's good to produce something "for free" as it's already been paid for and its better for getting the entire community on board.

 

Like I said... a summer map would be great but perhaps as part of a larger release. That or get the map out for free and we can pay for a few more aircraft that fit the summer Stalingrad theme.

[SYN_Vorlander]

Yes, the main Western Front map initially was just in summer colors. Fall & Winter variations came later, at no cost. So far, the only map to date that is payware is the Channel map, which currently is summertime only.

 

At no cost!

 

Thank goodness.

[Gambit21]

Makes sense to me. The Channel Map was an additional piece of content while the summer/fall/winter variations still use the base map - that's not saying that they weren't work for the developer but sometimes it's good to produce something "for free" as it's already been paid for and its better for getting the entire community on board.

 

Like I said... a summer map would be great but perhaps as part of a larger release. That or get the map out for free and we can pay for a few more aircraft that fit the summer Stalingrad theme.

A summer map with the I16, Mig3 and maybe a 109E - that would be a good second release for starters.

[Georgio]

Sorry but for a first post I smell the distinct odour of troll.... ^^

[SYN_Vorlander]

The battle of Stalingrad began in the late summer of 1942 (August 23). Consequently there should also be 'early' Stalingrad scenery and weather available in this sim in order to be historically correct - not just winter snow. Is that in the pipeline? Given the kind of prices you are asking (and charging for downloadable content on top of it - something I detest) we should be getting more scenery than just snow and repetative trees. I can just about forgive the non interactive clickable cockpits (incomprehensible in this day and age) but if there is no summer scenery - or worse summer scenery as a paid extra - I will seriously think twice before buying what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes. Better lighting yes, but a hell of a lot fewer planes.

Does il2 1946 and IL2 BOS feel, look and play the same? You must be joking my friend

[Chianti]

Thanks everyone for your reactions and comments. Many valid points and suggestions have been received.

But firstly, regarding the suggestion that I am trolling, let me remind the accuser that a forum is about freedom of speech = democracy. Forums are there so people can freely and civilly express their opinions with an open mind.

About some of the points made so far:

Indeed I have not flown in BOS so a comparison with IL2 1946 is not justified. Point taken. I have seen videos of BOS (mainly from Ape) and I like much of what Is there but have not handled the planes myself so cannot compare the flight models. Naturally I am willing to give BOS every chance and, as a sim fanatic, I am hoping for the best possible results. My current favourite war sim is Cliffs of Dover. Quite a challenge after the latest patch download (especially landing) but a great sim to fly and extremely immersive. COD started as a flawed, bugged turkey and was justifiably slammed by the critics and sim enthusiasts alike. But thanks to much attention and development by a dedicated community, it has become a classic setting a new standard for other sims to aim at.

The comment about the BOS developers deserving to be well paid for their work is also a fair one. There was no suggestion BOS should not make a profit. Even a labour of love needs to be profitable. The question is how it is done. I suppose coming from a generation that started with Aces Over Europe (where the glossy book/manual replete with history, tactics and photographs was worth the price of the sim alone) I tend to expect more value for money. But indeed we are living in different times. Perhaps it is old fashioned to expect something resembling a complete sim when making a purchase. Instead of receiving a money cow that keeps milking the customer for years to come. I must have spent at least 150 bucks on ROF - and I don't even have the Channel map yet.

Naturally we flight sim fanatics wish the BOS developers much succes in their latest enterprise and are looking forward to a new flight sim experience. But if they want to be successful and want to avoid becoming another COD story, the developers would do well to listen to our comments and take some of our reservations and suggestions seriously.

[widgeon]

I would like to clarify your point about,   freedom of speech= democracy.

 

This is not true. Freedom of speech is related to your "natural" individual rights; your right to life, liberty and property.

Freedom of speech is a civil right, to prevent government, or the State form shutting you down.

 

On a private forum you have no "freedom of speech", except as allowed by the rules.

 

In a pure democracy= one vote, one person, the majority can, and will shut down your freedom of speech or any other right you think you may have, at anytime.

 

This has nothing to do with flight, but is an important distinction, that is-- individual right are precious.

Democracy is an over used, and poorly understood term.

 

Widgeon

Edited June 30, 2014 by widgeon

[LukeFF]

 

 

let me remind the accuser that a forum is about freedom of speech = democracy.

 

Not hardly at all. The amount of freedom you have to express yourself on a forum is entirely up to whomever is owning and operating the site.  

[I/JG27_Rollo]

Well i think what might have come across as trolling to many is fpr example this part:

 

 

what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes

If you think that way, that's fine. (I personally think that BoS looks waaay better than '46 - modded or not).

 

But as someone who has spent 150 bucks on RoFl, you should know that the sensation/impression of flight is at an entirely different level compared to '46. BoS carries that over to WWII so it should be apparent that BoS has a lot more things over previous games than just shinier planes.

Edited June 30, 2014 by I/JG27_Rollo

[SCG_Neun]

There is a misconception with the concept of "Freedom".  For instance.....you have the freedom to believe that 2 + 2 = 5....But alas, it does not, but you are free to believe such things, and more than likely, no one will be able to convince you that it equals...4. So why bother?  Likewise...you have the freedom to believe that...."buying what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes. Better lighting yes, but a hell of a lot fewer planes."   But.....alas my friend.....you are wrong....but rejoice.....You Are Free! 

[Chianti]

I gave an opinion based upon the information available to me at that moment. Some of you clearly have more information at your disposal and thanks for sharing it freely. Talking of freedom, I appreciate the freedom to express my views and to receive reactions in return, whether they agree with my point of view or not. That is how one learns more about a given subject: by listening to different opinions, hopefully from people that are better informed. I also enjoy the freedom of being able to change an opinion if the new facts warrant it. In the case of BOS nothing would give me greater pleasure than if my original first impressions were proven wrong. Just as ROF is without doubt the best WWI sim available I look forward to the BOS development team delivering the best WWII sim out there, at a fair price.

[FuriousMeow]

You won't get summer with this release because this title does not cover summer. Or fall. Or Spring. It just covers the winter operations. If it does well, then it will be expanded on.

 

And as far as the "AOE" generation, yeah they had to fill in the box with something else because it took Dynamix all of 3 months to build the entire game.

Edited June 30, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Seren77]

Thanks everyone for your reactions and comments. Many valid points and suggestions have been received.

But firstly, regarding the suggestion that I am trolling, let me remind the accuser that a forum is about freedom of speech = democracy. Forums are there so people can freely and civilly express their opinions with an open mind.

About some of the points made so far:

Indeed I have not flown in BOS so a comparison with IL2 1946 is not justified. Point taken. I have seen videos of BOS (mainly from Ape) and I like much of what Is there but have not handled the planes myself so cannot compare the flight models. Naturally I am willing to give BOS every chance and, as a sim fanatic, I am hoping for the best possible results. My current favourite war sim is Cliffs of Dover. Quite a challenge after the latest patch download (especially landing) but a great sim to fly and extremely immersive. COD started as a flawed, bugged turkey and was justifiably slammed by the critics and sim enthusiasts alike. But thanks to much attention and development by a dedicated community, it has become a classic setting a new standard for other sims to aim at.

The comment about the BOS developers deserving to be well paid for their work is also a fair one. There was no suggestion BOS should not make a profit. Even a labour of love needs to be profitable. The question is how it is done. I suppose coming from a generation that started with Aces Over Europe (where the glossy book/manual replete with history, tactics and photographs was worth the price of the sim alone) I tend to expect more value for money. But indeed we are living in different times. Perhaps it is old fashioned to expect something resembling a complete sim when making a purchase. Instead of receiving a money cow that keeps milking the customer for years to come. I must have spent at least 150 bucks on ROF - and I don't even have the Channel map yet.

Naturally we flight sim fanatics wish the BOS developers much succes in their latest enterprise and are looking forward to a new flight sim experience. But if they want to be successful and want to avoid becoming another COD story, the developers would do well to listen to our comments and take some of our reservations and suggestions seriously.

 

I just watched doco on Battle of Stalingrad while most of the battle did seem to have no snow there did not appear to be much air combat going on at that time unless this particular doco glossed over it. It showed very large Stuka formations (with screamers) bombing Stalingrad. Later in the snow the only German Aircraft shown where transport planes delivering supplies (which Russian planes did seem to attack). Point being I'm not sure how much historical dogfighting was going on in the summer.

 

Clickable cockpits I really can't see any downside to them, after using A2A and DCS products and to a lesser extent Cliffs of Dover it's just something I would expect all sims to have. I am still trying to find an x55 rhino hotas to buy to no avail so without clickable cockpits in BoS I have to use the keyboard (less immersive for me)

 

As someone who had early access to Cliffs of Dover I was very cautious about making the same mistake here. Though we have different people making this one and Rise of Flight always ran dreamy. I have Team Fusion 4.31 on CloD and after years of tweaking. I've spent more time in that sim tweaking than I have flying. I'll tell you the the flight models in BoS have a better sense of speed, the planes are more responsive and more enjoyable to fly (I'm not a pilot but my bar is set at the A2A accusim products not CloD) . CEM is less forgiving in BoS. Team Fusion has gone a bit to far IMO with the take offs in CloD the prop wash and ground characteristics seem off., Take off and landings in BoS seem more inline with other top notch sims

 

The performance in BoS is greater than a fully tweaked and modded Clod. (that said I love my spitfires and green grass so I'll just switch between titles for now) Better UI and menus also in BoS. I think they have already surpassed CloD in most ways and the sims only 55% done.

 

As far as value goes. A2A's accusim spitfire module costs 45 usd, DCS P51D is rrp 39 usd. for a single (with fantastic clickable cockpits) plane.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I just watched doco on Battle of Stalingrad while most of the battle did seem to have no snow there did not appear to be much air combat going on at that time unless this particular doco glossed over it. It showed very large Stuka formations (with screamers) bombing Stalingrad. Later in the snow the only German Aircraft shown where transport planes delivering supplies (which Russian planes did seem to attack). Point being I'm not sure how much historical dogfighting was going on in the summer.

 

There was a long lead up from about May or June 1942 through to the end of the summer and into the fall. The Russians were using IL-2s and the odd Su-2 plus I-153s and I-16s and whatever else was available to bomb bridges and slow the advance. One particularly notable unit was 434 IAP which defended Stalingrad flying a mix of Yak-1 and Yak-7B fighters. They scored quite a few kills but also were nearly wiped out.

 

For the Germans... September was a very active month as that is when Stalingrad was bombed to rubble.

 

So plenty of dogfighting possibilities.

[Seren77]

There was a long lead up from about May or June 1942 through to the end of the summer and into the fall. The Russians were using IL-2s and the odd Su-2 plus I-153s and I-16s and whatever else was available to bomb bridges and slow the advance. One particularly notable unit was 434 IAP which defended Stalingrad flying a mix of Yak-1 and Yak-7B fighters. They scored quite a few kills but also were nearly wiped out.

 

For the Germans... September was a very active month as that is when Stalingrad was bombed to rubble.

 

So plenty of dogfighting possibilities.

 

Thanks, I'll try and find a more air orientated documentary.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I have recommended this before, and I'll do it again. Very good book to start with, if someone wants to know more about air warfare in Eastern Front at the time. http://www.amazon.com/Stalingrad-The-Battle-1942-January-1943/dp/1857802764/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404180241&sr=8-1&keywords=stalingrad+the+air+battle

[SCG_Neun]

Thanks 13./JG51mprhead for information.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Id just like to inject a little "realism" here. Just think of all those poor souls who fought the actual battle of Stalingrad. Im pretty all of them were also saying "dude i wish the summer map would come out soon".

 

 

That is all.

[Seren77]

Id just like to inject a little "realism" here. Just think of all those poor souls who fought the actual battle of Stalingrad. Im pretty all of them were also saying "dude i wish the summer map would come out soon".

 

 

That is all.

 

Russia was counting on the Germans feeling that way.

[Georgio]

Thanks everyone for your reactions and comments. Many valid points and suggestions have been received.

But firstly, regarding the suggestion that I am trolling, let me remind the accuser that a forum is about freedom of speech = democracy. Forums are there so people can freely and civilly express their opinions with an open mind.

About some of the points made so far:

Indeed I have not flown in BOS so a comparison with IL2 1946 is not justified. Point taken. I have seen videos of BOS (mainly from Ape) and I like much of what Is there but have not handled the planes myself so cannot compare the flight models. Naturally I am willing to give BOS every chance and, as a sim fanatic, I am hoping for the best possible results. My current favourite war sim is Cliffs of Dover. Quite a challenge after the latest patch download (especially landing) but a great sim to fly and extremely immersive. COD started as a flawed, bugged turkey and was justifiably slammed by the critics and sim enthusiasts alike. But thanks to much attention and development by a dedicated community, it has become a classic setting a new standard for other sims to aim at.

The comment about the BOS developers deserving to be well paid for their work is also a fair one. There was no suggestion BOS should not make a profit. Even a labour of love needs to be profitable. The question is how it is done. I suppose coming from a generation that started with Aces Over Europe (where the glossy book/manual replete with history, tactics and photographs was worth the price of the sim alone) I tend to expect more value for money. But indeed we are living in different times. Perhaps it is old fashioned to expect something resembling a complete sim when making a purchase. Instead of receiving a money cow that keeps milking the customer for years to come. I must have spent at least 150 bucks on ROF - and I don't even have the Channel map yet.

Naturally we flight sim fanatics wish the BOS developers much succes in their latest enterprise and are looking forward to a new flight sim experience. But if they want to be successful and want to avoid becoming another COD story, the developers would do well to listen to our comments and take some of our reservations and suggestions seriously.

 

Chianti, I would agree except that most people come into a forum and don't pitch their very first post in such a confrontational way unless they are trolling. Bear in mind that even though this is a public forum, as a newbie you are very much coming into a forum that is positive about BoS.

That isn't to say that we're fanbois, but more that we've been around the block a bit more than most and can appreciate that this is a worthy successor to the original IL-2.

So to come in and immediately start criticising isn't going to get you off to a good start. We know there are flaws, we know this sim isn't totally perfect, but we also appreciate that it's a work in progress and as such being so negative at this stage isn't going to help anyone.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Georgio

[Chianti]

Thanks again for the comments. And thanks to 13.JG/51 for the tip about the illustrated Stalingrad air battle book. Checked it out at Amazon and ordered it - looks to be interesting and informative.

 

I agree the prop wash / torque in COD are over the top making landing without spinning on the runway a difficult challenge. Historically the 109 with its tricycle undercarriage was a tricky plane to land as many pilots discovered to their cost. But imho in COD it is now too difficult. A three point touch down with stick held well back while tapping lightly on left and right brakes seems to be the best chance of a controlled landing. But it's not guaranteed to work every time. There is a patch/upgrade due this winter which reportedly will tackle the ground handling problems. Hopefully BOS will get it right the first time and spare us some of the hastle.

[69th_chuter]

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Clickable cockpits I really can't see any downside to them, after using A2A and DCS products and to a lesser extent Cliffs of Dover it's just something I would expect all sims to have. I am still trying to find an x55 rhino hotas to buy to no avail so without clickable cockpits in BoS I have to use the keyboard (less immersive for me)

 

...

 

When I'm out there in the real-world sky flying around I can usually reach around in the cockpit instinctively operating controls without actually looking at them or thinking about it.  When I'm flying around in my vision collapsed and G-free computer using my keyboard and stick I'm able to hit the keys without actually looking at them or thinking about it (well, in 1946; still working on it for BoS).  Using a clickable cockpit means, for me, either left-hand sticking to use the mouse quickly and accurately or left-hand mousing which requires much more attention and, in both cases, having to divert my attention to the panel to see where I'm clicking because there is no way for me to instinctively know where the curser is.  So, for me, clickable cockpits are less realistic.

 

Having said that I would certainly be OK with a clickable option, of course.  (Anything for an advantage is what I always say  )

[Gambit21]

Agreed.

I don't mind the option, but I don't want to be stuck with it.

As I said before, the last time I flew a plane I didn't have a cursor floating in the air in front of my face - a clickable cockpit is actually

less realistic IMHO, not more realistic.

[All_Apologies]

 I thought I was the only weird one that thought click-able cockpits was another plane of hell in Dante's Inferno.

[BeastyBaiter]

You aren't, I'm not a fan of clickable cockpits either. I find them terribly clunky. Pushing a button on my keyboard is far more realistic than aiming my track ir and then using my mouse to click a virtual switch. Now in something like DCS Blackshark, yeah, you need them simply because you couldn't possibly keep that many keyboard commands straight. But in something like BoS they don't serve a purpose. In CloD the only time I used it was to start the engine, and that fully manual engine startup didn't add much to my experience. All prop planes are basically started the same way. It's about as interesting and complicated as starting a weed eater engine.

 

In any case, BoS brings a lot to the table. Comparing BoS's physics to IL2:1946 or CloD is sort of like comparing the old Aces series from 1990-ish to IL2:1946. The leap really is that big. For now, we will have a modest plane set only representing a very small snapshot in time of WW2 in a particular area. Assuming BoS is a commercial success, it will be expanded out just like the original IL2 was and RoF has been. I bought RoF in the initial US release, it had only 4 planes (2 boxed, 2 as a free download) and that was it. It now has around 35-40 planes covering the entire duration of the war. I think BoS will have a steady stream of new content just like RoF has had for many years. A summer map will come, of this I have no doubt. It's also worth noting that BoS is starting with 9 completely unique aircraft instead of a bunch of versions of the same basic plane. So yeah, it's only 10 planes, but there is a lot of variety in those 10 planes.

[Shitigi]

The battle of Stalingrad began in the late summer of 1942 (August 23). Consequently there should also be 'early' Stalingrad scenery and weather available in this sim in order to be historically correct - not just winter snow. Is that in the pipeline? Given the kind of prices you are asking (and charging for downloadable content on top of it - something I detest) we should be getting more scenery than just snow and repetative trees. I can just about forgive the non interactive clickable cockpits (incomprehensible in this day and age) but if there is no summer scenery - or worse summer scenery as a paid extra - I will seriously think twice before buying what looks little better than IL2 1946 with shiny planes. Better lighting yes, but a hell of a lot fewer planes.

 

I think I make some things clear

 

Who wants other seasons? stalingrad was mostly winter fun. fall and spring boring time in stalingrad

 

Who want aircarft like ju52 to shoot down? Killing transport plans has no honor. Thankfully devs know this and they dont bother with dull aircraft like ju52. So what if it was important for short time in stalingrad. Thankfully devs are smart and give us fun aircraft, like 190 and la5. These aircraft were near stalingrad, so it makes sense to include them. They are way better then ju52 and boring winter war aircraft. I for one wil pay many shekels (dont know english word sory) to get theI cant wait to fly 190 vs 87 over snow in stalingrad. Devs know historical accuracy is boring and many documents say too many things, and they give us fun sceneros instead. I think many should be grateful because this is not some boring sim. Also devs have top secret documents to make game, because ministry of culture helps fund game and they give many nice information.

 

Winter is many good enough for stalingrad. and planes given are very fun. give developers many thanks for this, I know i will )))))))

 

also who wants this to be war gaming belurussian bad game? devs make good decision to show stalingrad like real, even if they only make winter. many thanks should make given since this most fun time and omst fun planes. I dont want boring ju52 and po2, I NEED FW 190 that was close to stalingrad. I think you must agree ))))

 

Thank you 777 for making real ww2 sim )))) best of making luck)))) and haters no nothing

MAKE CHANGE: I no own game yet, but will with new paycheck... i hope. game is many money in my part russia, but have new money check soon ))))))))))

Edited July 10, 2014 by Shitigi

[No601_Swallow]

Well, Shiti,

 

I agree that the winter map is beautiful, and enough for this theatre of war, but I'm going to disagree with statements like "Who wants aircraft like the Ju52 to shoot down? Killing transport planes has no honor."

 

This is because many people, perhaps even some of the devs, think that a "fun" dogfight is all a game like this can and should be. But I can imagine very tense and challenging missions, both single player and co-op, which would involve stopping Ju52s, and tightening the noose around the 6th army's neck. I'd love a Pitomnik so choked with the wrecks of crashed aircraft that from afar the oncoming Russians thought it was a mystery town not marked on their maps (See Beevor's Stalingrad, etc.). There's a huge range of potential missions and scenarios that could be designed, much more than just dogfighting forever.

 

Dogfight is NOT the only thing a simulator like this can (or should be able to) do. At least, if it is (arguably this is what CloD became), it would be a terrible waste for many potential players, and perhaps for large numbers of online squadrons and players. So, yes, a Ju52 should be at the very top of the list for a "second wave" of aircraft for the game, in my humbles.

Edited July 10, 2014 by No601_Swallow

[LukeFF]

I think I make some things clear

 

Who wants other seasons? stalingrad was mostly winter fun. fall and spring boring time in stalingrad

 

Who want aircarft like ju52 to shoot down? Killing transport plans has no honor. Thankfully devs know this and they dont bother with dull aircraft like ju52. So what if it was important for short time in stalingrad. Thankfully devs are smart and give us fun aircraft, like 190 and la5. These aircraft were near stalingrad, so it makes sense to include them. They are way better then ju52 and boring winter war aircraft. I for one wil pay many shekels (dont know english word sory) to get theI cant wait to fly 190 vs 87 over snow in stalingrad. Devs know historical accuracy is boring and many documents say too many things, and they give us fun sceneros instead. I think many should be grateful because this is not some boring sim. Also devs have top secret documents to make game, because ministry of culture helps fund game and they give many nice information.

 

Winter is many good enough for stalingrad. and planes given are very fun. give developers many thanks for this, I know i will )))))))

 

also who wants this to be war gaming belurussian bad game? devs make good decision to show stalingrad like real, even if they only make winter. many thanks should make given since this most fun time and omst fun planes. I dont want boring ju52 and po2, I NEED FW 190 that was close to stalingrad. I think you must agree ))))

 

Thank you 777 for making real ww2 sim )))) best of making luck)))) and haters no nothing

MAKE CHANGE: I no own game yet, but will with new paycheck... i hope. game is many money in my part russia, but have new money check soon ))))))))))

 

[Gambit21]

 

That about sums it up.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Pretty sure I know who Shitigi is/was.

 

If you are right, then he is even more hilarious

[Tompa_73]

If you are right, then he is even more hilarious

 

Obvious troll is obvious....

 

There is always that guy that just cant let it go, I dont know if its mental, drugs or whatever,

but obvious troll will always be obvious.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Playing devil's advocate, what would one get out of a clickable cockpit in something as simple as an old piston fighter? It's nice to have in DCS Pony, but most end up just using keyboard shortcuts in practice.

[FuriousMeow]

Playing devil's advocate, what would one get out of a clickable cockpit in something as simple as an old piston fighter? It's nice to have in DCS Pony, but most end up just using keyboard shortcuts in practice.

 

Staring at a section of the cockpit down near the pilot's knees trying to use the mouse to move a lever only to be shot down by someone that uses a lever, or knob, on their HOTAS, a key on their keyboard or a voice operated command through their voice command software because they didn't have to stare at a portion of the cockpit to operate that lever with their mouse.

Edited July 11, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Gambit21]

Angry Feline speak truth.