The Battle of France

[LIQUIDxxxBigBossNass]

I'm relatively new here. I love this game. It's fantastic. But the next part is really quite disappointing to me. $80 for like three new planes? The rest are just varients. Yea the Typhoon and the Me 410 and the Arado are going to be really cool to fly, but that's an extremely high price tag for just those. And you didn't even put in the Gloster Meteor!!! WTF!? WHY? What about the Comet? Or the V1 flying bomb that you could launch off your Heinkel or have to intercept them by nudging their wing? This is what we want. I don't think a lot of us care about a map too much. In flight sims like these, the map is almost an after thought. It's the planes that matter most. We just had a British and American expansion. It was amazing. But why are you focusing on them again?? The Battle of France seems like the logical next step. The French had SO many aircraft. During the few weeks of the Battle of France, the Free French Airforce or FAFL (Forces Aériennes Françaises Libres, after liberation known as the French Air Army) destroyed more Luftwaffe aircraft than the British did during the entire Battle of Brittain. Much more of the Luftwaffe destroyed by the FAFL were fighters too, not easily destroyable bombers. If the French didn't down over 900 Luftwaffe during the Battle of France, things may have gone quite differently for the Brittish in the Battle of Brittian. Even with less and not as good aircraft, the French still managed a staggaring performance in the air during those terrible weeks. But they've been forgotten. I don't remember any speeches made by Churchill thanking those French pilots who gave their lives allowing the Brittish a fighing chance in the air against the Germans. It is up to you to make sure that people know that the French were extremely active in the air, and that their efforts made a HUGE difference. Would Hitler have attempted an invasion if he had 900 more aircraft to spare? Maybe. It likely would have failed because of the British Navy, but with air superiority and U-boats everywhere, many many ships would have been sunk. But anyway you look at it, those French Pilots saves many many lives. They must be recognized and imortalized. Please put the Battle of France in this game and give us these incredible French aircraft to fly instead of varients of aircraft that we already have in this Battle of Normandy "expansion." 

[Noisemaker]

Something tells me how you'll vote...

[Eisenfaustus]

10 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

I'm relatively new here.

That is obvious. 

 

10 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

$80 for like three new planes? The rest are just varients.

You forgot the mosquito and the ju-88 and spit xiv are so different from the previous models that they are basically new planes as well. The new p-47 and p-51 were often requested and a standalone Battle if Normandy without a Fw-190 and Bf-109 doesn’t make sense. 

 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

And you didn't even put in the Gloster Meteor!!! WTF!? WHY?

Because it saw no use over the maps we have. Especially not in air to air missions. 
 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

What about the Comet?

Me 163? Not feasible without heavy bombers and even then not much fun gameplay wise. 
 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

Or the V1 flying bomb that you could launch off your Heinkel or have to intercept them by nudging their wing?

We‘ll get the standard v1 - good enough for me. 
 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

This is what we want. I

Who is we? Not me obviously…

 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

I don't think a lot of us care about a map too much. In flight sims like these, the map is almost an after thought.

I think your assumption is very wrong - I at least care a lot. In fact the map is what I‘m most thrilled about

 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

But why are you focusing on them again??

Got something to do with demand and supply

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

The Battle of France seems like the logical next step

I‘d love that but polls clearly indicate we are a minority. 

 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

Much more of the Luftwaffe destroyed by the FAFL were fighters too, not easily destroyable bombers.

Neither is that statement true nor are bombers easy to destroy - especially with .303 MG. Furthermore does a downed bomber hurt the hostile war effort far more. Two engines and five aircrew vs one of each. 

 

11 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

Would Hitler have attempted an invasion if he had 900 more aircraft to spare?

No

[Cybermat47]

13 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

I'm relatively new here. I love this game. It's fantastic. But the next part is really quite disappointing to me. $80 for like three new planes? The rest are just varients. Yea the Typhoon and the Me 410 and the Arado are going to be really cool to fly, but that's an extremely high price tag for just those.

Every different module for this game can be bought and played by itself. I won’t pretend to be in the know, but I would guess that would make it unprofitable to adjust the prices like you seem to be suggesting. It would let people who only buy BoN get the same amount of content as in BoS for much, much less money, which would probably end up in a loss for the devs. I would assume that the hours of work that went into making all the 3D models, textures, AI behaviours, GUI, sounds, research, flight models etc. weren’t cheap.

 

13 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

The Battle of France seems like the logical next step. The French had SO many aircraft. During the few weeks of the Battle of France, the Free French Airforce or FAFL (Forces Aériennes Françaises Libres, after liberation known as the French Air Army) destroyed more Luftwaffe aircraft than the British did during the entire Battle of Brittain.

The FAFL didn’t exist during the Battle of France, you’re thinking of the Armee de l’Air.

 

I also doubt that the Armee de l’Air had that amount of success against the Luftwaffe. While the losses inflicted on the Luftwaffe had an impact on the Battle of Britain, the French lost air superiority quite quickly. Their Blochs and Moranes weren’t able to compete with the Bf-109 on the same level as the rarer D.520s, like how the rare Me-262s were unable to defeat the Allied airforces later in the war.

 

13 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

It is up to you to make sure that people know that the French were extremely active in the air,

There are several official skins for Yaks and the U-2 depicting aircraft of the famous Normandie Niemen Groupe de Chasse, which was an elite unit of some of the best French pilots. They fought on the Eastern Front and bought down many German aircraft, earning the personal respect of Stalin himself, so much so that they were allowed to keep at least one of their Yak-3s at the dawn of the Cold War

Additionally, I was able to create an official GC I/3 D.520 Battle of France campaign for IL-2 Sturmovik: Desert Wings Tobruk thanks to 1C Game Studios giving Team Fusion Simulations the right and means to create new content for Cliffs of Dover.

 

So I would say that 1C has already done quite a bit to represent French pilots in WWII.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Cybermat47

[Chief_Mouser]

16 hours ago, BigBossNass said:

Even with less and not as good aircraft, the French still managed a staggaring performance in the air during those terrible weeks. But they've been forgotten. I don't remember any speeches made by Churchill thanking those French pilots who gave their lives allowing the Brittish a fighing chance in the air against the Germans. It is up to you to make sure that people know that the French were extremely active in the air, and that their efforts made a HUGE difference. Would Hitler have attempted an invasion if he had 900 more aircraft to spare? Maybe. It likely would have failed because of the British Navy, but with air superiority and U-boats everywhere, many many ships would have been sunk. But anyway you look at it, those French Pilots saves many many lives. They must be recognized and imortalized. 

 

You obviously did not go to Flying Legends at Duxford over the past decade plus. The guest (French) commentator never shut up about how wonderful the Armee de l'Air was and how they won the war. They have not been forgotten, but they are a footnote in history. It doesn't matter how great your air force is if your government surrenders.

[PB0_Roll]

As a french, here's my unbiased ?opinion.

 

Armée de l' Air, according to latest books, killed about 300 german planes. Luftwaffe lost between 900 planes and 1000, to various causes (accidents/flak/air combat).

 

Pilots, like previous victims of german efficiency at these early stages of the war, were heroïc but quite inefficient collectively, being unable to gain air superiority even locally to allow for efficient bombing, and not always able to keep it over allied lines.

 

Still, they fought bravely, with occasionnal success, on the northern front, and on the southern front italians were quite spanked during their few attempts at backstabbing.

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

@BigBossNass I wrote something up on the virtues of a Battle of France module.  I would love to see one. 

 

Other then that I disagree, vehemently, with pretty much every point that you make.  Especially "I don't think a lot of us care about a map too much".  Believe me, a whole lot of us care very much about the map.  Happy to engage in a discussion on that topic if you're interested.

[Gambit21]

On 7/22/2021 at 3:58 PM, LIQUIDxxxBigBossNass said:

I'm relatively new here. I love this game. It's fantastic. But the next part is really quite disappointing to me. $80 for like three new planes? The rest are just varients. Yea the Typhoon and the Me 410 and the Arado are going to be really cool to fly, but that's an extremely high price tag for just those. And you didn't even put in the Gloster Meteor!!! WTF!? WHY? What about the Comet? Or the V1 flying bomb that you could launch off your Heinkel or have to intercept them by nudging their wing? This is what we want. I don't think a lot of us care about a map too much. In flight sims like these, the map is almost an after thought. It's the planes that matter most. We just had a British and American expansion. It was amazing. But why are you focusing on them again?? The Battle of France seems like the logical next step. The French had SO many aircraft. During the few weeks of the Battle of France, the Free French Airforce or FAFL (Forces Aériennes Françaises Libres, after liberation known as the French Air Army) destroyed more Luftwaffe aircraft than the British did during the entire Battle of Brittain. Much more of the Luftwaffe destroyed by the FAFL were fighters too, not easily destroyable bombers. If the French didn't down over 900 Luftwaffe during the Battle of France, things may have gone quite differently for the Brittish in the Battle of Brittian. Even with less and not as good aircraft, the French still managed a staggaring performance in the air during those terrible weeks. But they've been forgotten. I don't remember any speeches made by Churchill thanking those French pilots who gave their lives allowing the Brittish a fighing chance in the air against the Germans. It is up to you to make sure that people know that the French were extremely active in the air, and that their efforts made a HUGE difference. Would Hitler have attempted an invasion if he had 900 more aircraft to spare? Maybe. It likely would have failed because of the British Navy, but with air superiority and U-boats everywhere, many many ships would have been sunk. But anyway you look at it, those French Pilots saves many many lives. They must be recognized and imortalized. Please put the Battle of France in this game and give us these incredible French aircraft to fly instead of varients of aircraft that we already have in this Battle of Normandy "expansion." 

 

What a load of bunk

[jeanba]

On 7/27/2021 at 11:40 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

 

 

Other then that I disagree, vehemently, with pretty much every point that you make.  Especially "I don't think a lot of us care about a map too much".  Believe me, a whole lot of us care very much about the map.  Happy to engage in a discussion on that topic if you're interested.

I fully agree : maps is what we are missing most at the moment, especially late 43, early 44 eastern front maps

In general, I am paying a lot of attention to maps and I am really looking for consistency between maps and planes.

That's why I did not buy the Yak-9T, MC202 and La5FN for instance

[Trooper117]

Having read the first post, I must admit, I have never wanted to drag a person kicking and screaming into a history lesson before... until now.  

[-=No.66=-Griff1999]

Personally, I would like to see a BoB/BoF module in this engine and with a decent compliment of aircraft on both sides, given that the Normandy map contains a sizeable portion of Southern England.

 

I do disagree on how you have railed against the other modules for this sim however.

 

What we have now and what we are due to get is part of the war at large, it's important that we get these experiences as WW2 flight simmers, just because it isn't what you want right now doesn't mean we won't see it at all, Cliffs of Dover Blitz/Tobruk is an excellent game on an older engine that you can play for now if you want to fly the early war French classics.

 

A degree of decorum is required when asking for a favour.

 

~Griff~

[Drim]

Just wait for sales.  They have some deep ones and there's plenty of content in the mean time you can get on sale for past things