Developer Diary 287 - Discussion

[BlitzPig_EL]

15 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Make mine an A-20G.

I wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

It appears they are using them for at least some of the airfields. There are also ordnance land survey maps for much of the south coast - although the last survey (~1937-1940) has a lot of incomplete maps due to the war. I suspect they didn't want up-to-date maps that could risk falling into German hands. The maps were then all released in their current states after the war ended. The '25 inch to a mile' maps are incredibly detailed (e.g. track plans for railways, foot paths) - it is pretty amazing to look at. There are actually also some maps in a similar level of detail (called '1:2500' in the post-ward period) made around 1950 as well - but they only cover part of the south coast: https://maps.nls.uk/os/

 

Of course, we shouldn't expect more detail as a result of there being more documentation - but does give a fascinating feel.

 

That's why I really like the French aerial photographs taken right after the end of the war - most of the wartime landmarks are all still there (to include things like abandoned tanks and other vehicles), and the photos are very high quality and free for download. We're talking resolutions in the range of 8K. 

[C6_Claymore]

Great !

 

Any plan to decline the map in differents early times ? between 1940 and 1944 i mean

[Hamaha15]

16 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

That's why I really like the French aerial photographs taken right after the end of the war - most of the wartime landmarks are all still there (to include things like abandoned tanks and other vehicles), and the photos are very high quality and free for download. We're talking resolutions in the range of 8K. 

Hi Luke,

 

would you mind sharing the link to the French post war aerial photographs? I love aerial reconnaissance.

 

Cheers

[5aBrigada]

ChauveViking already shared it few messages forward :
https://remonterletemps.ign.fr/telecharger?x=2.000000&y=47.000000&z=6&layer=GEOGRAPHICALGRIDSYSTEMS.MAPS.SCAN-EXPRESS.STANDARD&demat=DEMAT.PVA$GEOPORTAIL:DEMAT;PHOTOS&missionId=missions.4984712

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by 5aBrigada

[Hamaha15]

Thanx a lot for the clarification. In fact that's the one I have used previously to detail the CloD map. And the French General Staff map provided by the same site to add detail to the Arras map.

 

Cheers

Edited July 23, 2021 by Hamaha15

[Dagwoodyt]

Any chance of map release before 2022?

[Avimimus]

59 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

That's why I really like the French aerial photographs taken right after the end of the war - most of the wartime landmarks are all still there (to include things like abandoned tanks and other vehicles), and the photos are very high quality and free for download. We're talking resolutions in the range of 8K. 

 

31 minutes ago, 5aBrigada said:

ChauveViking already shared it few messages forward :
https://remonterletemps.ign.fr/telecharger?x=2.000000&y=47.000000&z=6&layer=GEOGRAPHICALGRIDSYSTEMS.MAPS.SCAN-EXPRESS.STANDARD&demat=DEMAT.PVA$GEOPORTAIL:DEMAT;PHOTOS&missionId=missions.4984712

 

 

Thanks! I didn't know about this!

[Mm1ut1]

Excuse me if it’s been asked before but will there be hedgerows for the tanks to play hide and seek in ? 

[Mtnbiker1998]

A super iconic, Classic P-51B as flown by famous triple ace Bud Anderson should absolutely be one of the available default skins, the 357th colors are a classic Mustang look and Anderson being famous for being "Yeager's wingman" (read the book if you want the full story on that) would go perfect alongside the Glennis default skin for the D model we have.

 

Its gotta have the white walled tires though!! 

 

 

Those who haven't read his book should certainly give it a look! Its an excellent account of WW2 air combat and the later jet years

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

A super iconic, Classic P-51B as flown by famous triple ace Bud Anderson should absolutely be one of the available default skins, the 357th colors are a classic Mustang look and Anderson being famous for being "Yeager's wingman" (read the book if you want the full story on that) would go perfect alongside the Glennis default skin for the D model we have.

 

Its gotta have the white walled tires though!! 

 

 

Those who haven't read his book should certainly give it a look! Its an excellent account of WW2 air combat and the later jet years

 

 

I've had some communication with Anderson...great guy - class act.

 

[Bostjan42]

Matchup shots are really interesting.

[Asgar]

As always an impressive display of attention to detail. Looking forward to the map, looking forward to the Mustang... and as usual i have to ask... is my Me 410 ready yet? ?

[kissTheSky]

18 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, to help give context to today's screenshots, these are some of the airfields that correspond to this screenshot's location - you really had to know where you were at!

 

 

No wonder the British repurposed most of them to race tracks after the war…

 

If we can follow their example, it would be the perfect progression for me, fly in my warbird, land, if not killed, hop into my early 60ies open wheeler and turn a few laps, all without leaving the sim. ?

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

RAF Westhampnett, now known as the Goodwood Circuit.

[LukeFF]

Dunsfold, too!

[sevenless]

20 hours ago, Hamaha15 said:

Hi Luke,

 

would you mind sharing the link to the French post war aerial photographs? I love aerial reconnaissance.

 

Cheers

 

Try this site:

 

Remonter le temps (ign.fr)

[fergal69]

13 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

A super iconic, Classic P-51B as flown by famous triple ace Bud Anderson should absolutely be one of the available default skins, the 357th colors are a classic Mustang look and Anderson being famous for being "Yeager's wingman" (read the book if you want the full story on that) would go perfect alongside the Glennis default skin for the D model we have.

 

Its gotta have the white walled tires though!! 

 

 

Those who haven't read his book should certainly give it a look! Its an excellent account of WW2 air combat and the later jet years

 

Plus he flew with drop tanks ?

[sevenless]

14 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

A super iconic, Classic P-51B as flown by famous triple ace Bud Anderson should absolutely be one of the available default skins,

 

Yep and these three are IMHO must haves (Don Gentile, Duane Beeson and John Godfrey):

 

 

[LukeFF]

Another must:

 

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by LukeFF

[I./JG1_Baron]

Oh God... I cant wait to P-51B... Especially to Shangri-La ?

[Guest deleted@50488]

What exactly will the new fuel management simulation bring ?

[310_cibule]

13 hours ago, I./JG1_Baron said:

Oh God... I cant wait to P-51B... Especially to Shangri-La ?

But it was not flown by LW. Or do you look forward to shooting it down? ; ))

Edited July 18, 2021 by 310_cibule

[I./JG1_Baron]

1 hour ago, 310_cibule said:

But it was not flown by LW. Or do you look forward to shooting it down? ; ))

 

Dear Cibule, the machine is so beautiful that maybe I'll run to the Allies ? But I promise nothing?

[akmotte]

On 7/16/2021 at 5:47 PM, akmotte said:

Nicely done.
Did you use the data I sent to LukeFF about Triqueville JG2 airfield near Pont-Audemer ? I provided high res historical pictures of the place and the buildings.
Is this airfield on your map ?

Can someone from the team please answer this ? This is crucial for our squad to know if Triqueville airfield is in IL2 BON.

[Jade_Monkey]

2 hours ago, akmotte said:

Can someone from the team please answer this ? This is crucial for our squad to know if Triqueville airfield is in IL2 BON.

 

It's definitely within the confines of the planned map, so I'd say there is a good chance.

 

The final list of airfields has not been shared, so I don't think you will be able to confirm it.

 

[BlackSix]

16 hours ago, akmotte said:

Can someone from the team please answer this ? This is crucial for our squad to know if Triqueville airfield is in IL2 BON.

We don't need this airfield for our BON career (April 15 - August 22, 1944) but Triqueville is in the list of the additional airfields, which are needed to fill the map more evenly. Therefore, we can't guarantee that we will make it 100%, but at least it is on the list.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Also note that with Rheinland, lots of airfields were added at a later date. Some of which (e.g. Deelen) with the same quality and historical realism as those that were already there at release date. So if an airfield is not on the map just yet, all is not lost

[Gambit21]

What should happen is a stand-in Bodney near the northewest corner of the map.

 

This way there’s more continuity between Normandy and Rhineland with the 352nd present in both releases. 

 

 

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Also note that with Rheinland, lots of airfields were added at a later date. Some of which (e.g. Deelen) with the same quality and historical realism as those that were already there at release date. So if an airfield is not on the map just yet, all is not lost

 

Yes, the reality is that you could probably have upwards of 150 airfields on this map, so there's plenty of room for expansion in the future should the team's time and resources allow it. There's some funky-looking ones like Saint-André-de-l'Eure:

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by LukeFF

[=_=HeavenAndClouds]

On 7/17/2021 at 7:09 AM, Mtnbiker1998 said:

A super iconic, Classic P-51B as flown by famous triple ace Bud Anderson should absolutely be one of the available default skins, the 357th colors are a classic Mustang look and Anderson being famous for being "Yeager's wingman" (read the book if you want the full story on that) would go perfect alongside the Glennis default skin for the D model we have.

 

Its gotta have the white walled tires though!! 

 

 

Those who haven't read his book should certainly give it a look! Its an excellent account of WW2 air combat and the later jet years

 

 

There's so many good skins to make for the B/C model, the Old Crow is definitely a must, then also others from 357th group, I would love to see some metalic with blue like this, maybe one from the Tuskegee Airmen too...

Edited July 21, 2021 by =SquadTag=Username_

[Gambit21]

5 hours ago, =SquadTag=Username_ said:

 

 

There's so many good skins to make for the B/C model, the Old Crow is definitely a must, then also others from 357th group, I would love to see some metalic with blue like this, maybe one from the Tuskegee Airmen too...

 

That was Whisner’s bird.

The squadron CO made him change the aircraft name/art in preparation for a visit from Princess Elizabeth (to Bodney) He wasn’t happy about it.

[PatrickAWlson]

On 7/19/2021 at 4:06 AM, BlackSix said:

We don't need this airfield for our BON career (April 15 - August 22, 1944) but Triqueville is in the list of the additional airfields, which are needed to fill the map more evenly. Therefore, we can't guarantee that we will make it 100%, but at least it is on the list.

 

With the understanding that not every dirt strip can be modeled, my biggest request with regards to airfields is please try not to leave large vacant spaces.  Thanks

[Pict]

On 7/21/2021 at 4:54 PM, Gambit21 said:

 

That was Whisner’s bird.

The squadron CO made him change the aircraft name/art in preparation for a visit from Princess Elizabeth (to Bodney) He wasn’t happy about it.

 

I don't blame him, neither would I have been.

 

Any ideas what it looked like before it got a fake over for a royal visit?

Edited July 23, 2021 by Pict

[jollyjack]

On 7/21/2021 at 4:54 PM, Gambit21 said:

That was Whisner’s bird.

The squadron CO made him change the aircraft name/art in preparation for a visit from Princess Elizabeth (to Bodney) He wasn’t happy about it.

 

So this skin is actually a nono ... too political.

[Venturi]

Super!

[Gambit21]

On 7/23/2021 at 12:09 PM, Pict said:

 

I don't blame him, neither would I have been.

 

Any ideas what it looked like before it got a fake over for a royal visit?

 

I have no record, or to be more precise the squadron history shows no record...this might have been the first/only artwork to be painted on it.

I show "AC lost 6/6/44 Lt Butler evaded and returned to Bodney"

 

Pilots flew various aircraft, so Whisner was likely not saddened that Butler managed to get rid of the aircraft, and bonus that

he lived!

 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Gambit21

[Sternjaeger]

Please ensure you include an option to select the gunsight type on the P-51B/C cockpit, in 1943 they mostly used the N-3 with the adjusting knob; the knob assembly was ofteen removed as it proved dangerous (see photos attached).




By 1944 though the majority of Bs and Cs actually had been retrofitted with the British Mk.II sight, as it proved to be optically superior to the N-3. 

 

Last but not least, quite a number of P-51B/C were also retrofitted with Mk.18 gyro gunsights (not to be confused with the K-14, which almost exclusively went to the P-51D). 

 

If the devs need close up photos of these gunsights, I can be of help. 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by Sternjaeger

[Trooper117]

2 hours ago, Sternjaeger said:

By 1944 though the majority of Bs and Cs actually had been retrofitted with the British Mk.II sight, as it proved to be optically superior to the N-3. 

 

Yes of course old chap...

[Sternjaeger]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Yes of course old chap...

 

Are you being sarcastic? ? ?