Brano Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Well,in certain way it is/will be pay-to-play.You have to buy it to play and you also pay for internet connection and electricity your PC eats up
IIN8II Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 I micro transaction game would be like paying real money to upgrade your plane, weapons, pilot etc. You generally see this in "free to play" games where you need to grind out tons of xp in order to progress or you use real money to progress faster, "Pay-to-win".
Streiff Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) It will be. Having to buy ac`s separately is a good indication. I micro transaction game would be like paying real money to upgrade your plane, weapons, pilot etc. You generally see this in "free to play" games where you need to grind out tons of xp in order to progress or you use real money to progress faster, "Pay-to-win". You mean like.....RoF? Edited June 24, 2014 by Baron
71st_AH_Hooves Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 I would say partly. But thats not really what you are asking is it. Youre wondering if by completing "micro transactions" do you get "ahead" in the game? In that case no. Each plane in BoS will be complete planes with any extras being unlocked through gameplay only. No money will get you the unlocks that are available.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Baron, That is a bit misleading. You don't have to buy aircraft separately in BOS and you don't have to buy planes to, "get ahead," either. The decision to buy an aircraft separately is the end user's choice. The planes are all included in the premium edition. Both will be available at the release. If you choose to buy the standard version and add the two additional planes later that is not a micro-transaction and not on the developer. If multiple aircraft are added as a pack or added as part of a full add-on (maps/planes/objects/hopefully scenarios or campaigns) later, then that is just an add on and no different than Il2/FB/PF/46. Edited June 24, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf
Brano Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Well,it depends.What do you mean by microtransaction?In my job,microtransactions are worth several tens of thousands of euros
Streiff Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 (edited) Baron, That is a bit misleading. You don't have to buy aircraft separately in BOS and you don't have to buy planes to, "get ahead," either. The decision to buy an aircraft separately is the end user's choice. The planes are all included in the premium edition. Both will be available at the release. If you choose to buy the standard version and add the two additional planes later that is not a micro-transaction and not on the developer. If multiple aircraft are added as a pack or added as part of a full add-on (maps/planes/objects/hopefully scenarios or campaigns) later, then that is just an add on and no different than Il2/FB/PF/46. At this point everyone is guessing since they really haven't given a definite answer on how their business model will look like imo, unless i missed that memo. All im saying, considering everything so far im gonna go with RoF model. The bolded part in your post i completely agree with. P.S. When im thinking "Micro transaction" i dont think pay to get ahead or p2w or anything. I think the current RoF model. Edited June 24, 2014 by Baron
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 Fair enough. I bought ROF in a box and haven't added anything. So, I can't comment on that business model. When I think of micro-transactions I think of mods/upgrades/uber/P2W. There are games out there which are but I don't think BOS is.
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 RoF isn't microtransaction as far as I'm concerned. They charge money for aircraft or the addon channel map which is major content. You can buy singly or in packs but everything else is opened and available to you. You don't pay for skins, ammo upgrades, XP boosts or that kind of thing.
IIN8II Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 It will be. Having to buy ac`s separately is a good indication. You mean like.....RoF? I meant in terms of a combat advantage not aesthetics. Like upgrading your pilot to handle more G's, damage, or upgrades to your plane that do similar things. I think RoF can certainly be considered a micro-transaction game with having to purchase things like different color scarfs and such, a bit silly imo. I wouldn't consider having to purchase additional aircraft as micro-transactions though. I hope that BoS doesn't go down this road but as long and you can't buy a combat advantage I'd be okay with it.
DD_bongodriver Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 in ROF you do pay for upgrades, such as gun sights and extra MG's, also a nice scarf boutique.
IIN8II Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 in ROF you do pay for upgrades, such as gun sights and extra MG's, also a nice scarf boutique. Yes and hopefully this will not be carried over to BoS, from what I gather from dev posts, the weapon attachments such as gunpods and bombs will be unlocked by playing the game. He's talking about War Thunder huh? Indeed!
frenchfly Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Either way you look at it they have to make money for added content at some point to pay the guys that work endless hours making this flight sim what most of us want it to be. We can't expect to pay a one time fee and get years of free updates and content.
johncage Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) developers still need to make money, so they charge more than is necessary for development. every company does this. some are just smarter/more subtle about it. Edited June 25, 2014 by johncage
BeastyBaiter Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) From what I've gathered, the business model will be a hybrid of RoF and traditional expansion style. What that means specifically no one knows, but I think it means we will mostly see packs of content with a few odds and ends offered individually. Armament options and field mods will not be sold (this is confirmed, they've stated it very clearly) but individual planes will be offered at times like this. I wouldn't consider that microtransaction. To me, microtransaction is a small transaction for a small thing. An example of this is paying $1 to buy an engine upgrade for that thing you just unlocked so you don't have to suffer through 30 matches of mediocrity to grind the needed XP to get it. Paying $15 up front to unlock that item and all its capabilities (with no in game means of getting it) is not a microtransaction, that's simply an addon. In regards to RoF's setup, it's a little annoying with the instrument and weapon packs being sold seperately. But the alternative is every plane costs maybe $5 extra to purchase and the initial planes would never get those items. They have to make their money somehow and I don't think anyone would accuse 777 studios of raking in the dough from RoF. It's a less than ideal solution to a problem, but it has worked for them. It isn't pay to win either, the weapon mods are generally detrimental overall to the player using them and the instrument mods are honestly of very limited value. Edited June 25, 2014 by =LD=King_Hrothgar
ShamrockOneFive Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 in ROF you do pay for upgrades, such as gun sights and extra MG's, also a nice scarf boutique. Really? I didn't know that. I hadn't gathered that from looking at the store... but disappointing. Yeah I wouldn't be supporting BoS if it went that road. I'd rather see expansion packs every year with a dozen planes and a new map at $80 than getting sucked into mini transactions all the time. I won't do it.
FuriousMeow Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 Really? I didn't know that. I hadn't gathered that from looking at the store... but disappointing. Yeah I wouldn't be supporting BoS if it went that road. I'd rather see expansion packs every year with a dozen planes and a new map at $80 than getting sucked into mini transactions all the time. I won't do it. The extras you can purchase are field mods. They hinder the aircraft's performance, so you can get the Dolphin that had the rare 4 gun setup and two lewis guns on the wings - and unless you are attacking very slow two seaters, its a huge disadvantage. You actually pay money to have worse performing aircraft.
Brano Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 ...You actually pay money to have worse performing aircraft. But that firepower! I personaly bought only LePrieur rockets for SPAD and Nieuport to have smtg fancy for baloon hunting.And that manually loaded cannon for Felixstowe is just awesome (now I do not remember if it is standard or payed add-on)
Matt Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 There are field mods and weapon mods in RoF. Weapon mods can be advantagues in a few planes, but are not really necessary and i would even call them pretty much useless in some cases. However, if you want to have all instruments or gunsights in all planes, then you would have to buy them. Especially on the German and to a lesser degree, on the French planes. And of course you could buy scarfes and streamers or additional handguns. But most of the stuff you can buy in RoF is not essential. And back to BoS, i can't see this happening here. We got all kinds of "unlocks" already. Just look at the Stuka, 37mm, MG81 gunpods, 1800 kg bomb etc. is all there. Or glass armor on the G-2. I have a hard time imagining things which could get added later as a sort of field mod.
siipperi Posted June 27, 2014 Posted June 27, 2014 Rof is microtransaction game. You can buy fieldmods, weapons and fluff like flags. I dont hqve problem with that. Heck we all would buy pilot customization pack if they would sell one...
Avimimus Posted June 28, 2014 Posted June 28, 2014 In a sense. Spending 1.99 on field modifications is pricey - but it is cheap compared to a lot of online games. But the important thing is that the inequality isn't great. Prices are kept feasible for purchase over time, there are no $500 packs, and 'character progression' doesn't happen faster if you pay money. It is more like buying each bit of the game separately in installments - a kindof 'mainly addons' type of design. I do hope they keep pricing similar to RoF though. And back to BoS, i can't see this happening here. We got all kinds of "unlocks" already. Just look at the Stuka, 37mm, MG81 gunpods, 1800 kg bomb etc. is all there. Or glass armor on the G-2. I have a hard time imagining things which could get added later as a sort of field mod. Although - on the other hand - having to unlock content is weird in a flight sim and opens the door to "pay to upgrade" or unlock kindof mentalities.
Revvin Posted June 29, 2014 Posted June 29, 2014 Yes its microtransaction, you can buy additional planes should you want to.
aletto Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 I don't know much about RoF, but can I hope for sales for standalone aircraft like the 190 or the La 5?
FlatSpinMan Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 No. The La5 and Fw190 were sold separately as they originally for Premium Founders only. The Devs have said they hope to release new content as bundles of maps plus aircraft. Topic over.
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