Windows 11

[Beebop]

I know I'm asking for some prophecy/tarot card/psychic vision here but...

 

Scheduled to come out ~ November of 2021, and for "Early Adopter" testing in June, are there any known or suspected issues with it and Great Battles?

All too often Uncle Billy's "Improvements" cause fits and starts with some games.  Yes, they said it was going to be good for gaming but didn't specify if that was for all/most PC games or just for their darling XBox.

I haven't been a fan of Windoze since they effed it up with ME and beyond, especially this newfangled "Smart Phone" look.  (I use Classic Shell).  I put up with Windoze because getting the game to run on another OS like Linux is very fussy to set up and, like owning an English sports car, drive it on Sunday, spend the next six days re-tuning it up.

 

At this point I intend to keep Win 10 until they pry it from my cold dead computer, (i.e. end support), but I know some of the mates I fly with will inadvertently install it so any ideas on what to look out for or prepare for would be appreciated.

[40plus]

In the realm of too early, this is Christmas decorations in July.

[ZachariasX]

There once was a time when one was looking forward for the next MS operating system. When was that again? 95? 2000?

[Irishratticus72]

6 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

There once was a time when one was looking forward for the next MS operating system. When was that again? 95? 2000?

XP, still the OG. 

[No105_Swoose]

Just for the heck of hit, earlier this week I ran the Windows 11 PC Health Check to see if my (very new, built in 2020) PC could run Windows 11.  Like many people I got the "Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 2.0 not present" error.  I did some checking and there are ways to bypass this but they involve Registry entries which is something beyond my skill level and I am not comfortable performing for fear of messing up my machine.  That would be for the current Windows 11 Beta candidate only, I'm not a bleeding edge PC enthusiast, and I believe what I learned in the Army about vehicle and equipment maintenance, "If it ain't broke...don't fix it!"  So I'll just watch for now and see how Windows 11 progresses.  The main criteria for me will be whether it's compatible or not with IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles.  

 

[Hoss]

There is a setting in your BIOS for that, it's not called TPM, but PTT in my ASUS bios. 

 

 

[jnfrombigt]

I'm running Win 11 and absolutely no problems.  I'm running IL2 in VR on an HP G2.   A good chance the TPM can be enabled by a BIOS change.  I have an AORUS ULTRA Z390 and searched YouTube for the info I needed by entering "TPM enable on AORUS Z390".  

Edited July 4, 2021 by jnfrombigt

[robbiec]

Running IL2 on Win 11 with a Rift S. I used an external TPM 2.0 chip that I'd picked up last year to allow me to easier switch between motherboards and CPU's while messing around with Bitlocker. Vjoy needed an upgrade on the version I had been using on Win 10 but other than that I've had no issues at all. 

Edited July 4, 2021 by robbiec

[NiiranenVR]

And , after all that jazz - do you feel the Sturmovik game is better running with 11' 

Or is it just the same ... ? 

Or better to VR ?? 

[-332FG-Gordon200]

If your processor is less than 10 years old it most likely has TPM. All you need do is enable it in BIOS.

 

 

 

[ST_Catchov]

14 hours ago, Beebop said:

like owning an English sports car, drive it on Sunday, spend the next six days re-tuning it up.

  

Six days! You do use drip trays for the oil leaks I hope?

[Beebop]

1 hour ago, ST_Catchov said:

Six days! You do use drip trays for the oil leaks I hope?

Of course.  After running it through some of the wife's old pantyhose to clear it of impurity's I put it in a barrel and use it to replace what I lost during the week.  The money saved goes into a fund for replacement parts.

[dburne]

Ah good to know, mine has TPM 2 and ready to go.

Edited July 4, 2021 by dburne

[AEthelraedUnraed]

23 hours ago, Beebop said:

I know I'm asking for some prophecy/tarot card/psychic vision here but...

 

Scheduled to come out ~ November of 2021, and for "Early Adopter" testing in June, are there any known or suspected issues with it and Great Battles?

All too often Uncle Billy's "Improvements" cause fits and starts with some games.  Yes, they said it was going to be good for gaming but didn't specify if that was for all/most PC games or just for their darling XBox.

I haven't been a fan of Windoze since they effed it up with ME and beyond, especially this newfangled "Smart Phone" look.  (I use Classic Shell).  I put up with Windoze because getting the game to run on another OS like Linux is very fussy to set up and, like owning an English sports car, drive it on Sunday, spend the next six days re-tuning it up.

 

At this point I intend to keep Win 10 until they pry it from my cold dead computer, (i.e. end support), but I know some of the mates I fly with will inadvertently install it so any ideas on what to look out for or prepare for would be appreciated.

Windows is known for its excellent backwards compatibility so I don't think IL2 will pose any problems. Besides, a large portion of the market will soon have Win11 so 1C Games can simply not afford to not make IL2 compatible with Win11.

 

I won't discuss looks since that is subjective, but in my opinion, Windows has only gotten better the past couple of iterations (barring Vista and 8). Win10 is a solid system that performs well and is a total breeze to set up and work with compared to the earlier versions (for my job, I regularly have to install and work with Win7 and even XP machines...)

[Beebop]

So it's MORE than having or having/getting TPM!

 

 

So Windows 10 will really be your last OS, Microsoft wasn’t kidding.
What f***ery!  Uncle Billy strikes again!  Now not only does he decide what you can and can't do with your OS, he's dictating which OS you can use!  There's a reason Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world.  This is why.

 

So I wonder how long Win 10 will be supported?  What then if you can't afford to upgrade to 11?  Build a wall around your PC?  Buy a bloatware version of some security suite?  There will be one once 11 gets going because some will not want to buy a new computer or afford one just for 11.
And when 12 comes along will we need to repeat this process all over again?

 

Someone REALLY needs to make a "games friendly" version of Linux that is IL-2 compatible and easy to install and configure!  Perhaps a prebuilt module you can install and tweak easily.  (Not everyone is computer savvy enough).

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Of course WIndows 11 requires TPM ?...

 

 

[RedKestrel]

On 7/4/2021 at 3:36 PM, Beebop said:

So it's MORE than having or having/getting TPM!

 

 

So Windows 10 will really be your last OS, Microsoft wasn’t kidding.
What f***ery!  Uncle Billy strikes again!  Now not only does he decide what you can and can't do with your OS, he's dictating which OS you can use!  There's a reason Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world.  This is why.

 

So I wonder how long Win 10 will be supported?  What then if you can't afford to upgrade to 11?  Build a wall around your PC?  Buy a bloatware version of some security suite?  There will be one once 11 gets going because some will not want to buy a new computer or afford one just for 11.
And when 12 comes along will we need to repeat this process all over again?

 

Someone REALLY needs to make a "games friendly" version of Linux that is IL-2 compatible and easy to install and configure!  Perhaps a prebuilt module you can install and tweak easily.  (Not everyone is computer savvy enough).

 

For what its worth, Gates hasn't been involved in day to day stuff at MS since the late 2000s and he's not even on the board anymore. So its likely another corporate muppet looking to maximize profit, not Ol' Billy.

[No_85_Gramps]

Okay, so I have IL2 GB installed and running under windows 11. Haven't noticed any issues and I have to update some things on my Win 10 install before taking a harder look at performance. Rather then do a fresh install I just copied the game over to the win11 drive, in order to save settings, etc. One caveat, Win 11 changed the ID's for my controllers so needed to re-bind controllers. My system is set to dual boot, not going to touch my win 10 install. Also, Win 11 is missing some required library files, Direct X and Visual C, so I had to update those. I guess if you do a fresh install of IL2 that would be taken care of during the install.

Edited July 9, 2021 by No_85_Gramps

[jnfrombigt]

On 7/4/2021 at 2:30 AM, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

And , after all that jazz - do you feel the Sturmovik game is better running with 11' 

Or is it just the same ... ? 

Or better to VR ?? 

Hmmm?    Reverb G2. Well I'm no expert but since I switched to Win 11 I no longer max out the GPU while playing the game and the CPU cores appear to be doing much more work.  The image was always great inside the cockpit but rapidly degraded outside. Since the switch the outside image is super! Motion is also very smooth at 40-50 FPS. The image is so much better that I don't even notice the G2 sweet spot. 

 

I have an RTX 2080 ti, I9-9900k, 32 Gig GSKILL, 1TB m.2,  EKWB liquid cooled and the GPU is slightly overclocked

Edited July 10, 2021 by jnfrombigt

[NiiranenVR]

If I understand it correctly it's the 11"  dev version you have ,..... The beta version will come later this month and I'll give that a try - should be more stable 

So , I'm curious and let's see ?

[No_85_Gramps]

So, some decidedly unscientific comparisons of IL2 GB in Windows 10 and 11. First results are from a QMB mission that was saved for this test. 4 P-51's, 4 B-25's, 4 109's, and 4 Ju-88's in a rumble in the air. I flew each mission pretty much the same way, attack 109's then go after Ju-88's.

 

                        Min FPS    Avg FPS    Max FPS
Windows 10    82             125            143
Windows 11    94              123            144

 

Not a significant difference by any means. Second test was done with an MP mission using the in-game dserver. Only one pilot, but lots of stuff happening in the background (convoys, AI planes, etc.).

 

                        Min FPS    Avg FPS    Max FPS

Windows 10    51              108           125
Windows 11    57              106           124

 

Again, not a significant difference. Flying a P-51 and attacking a train, in a city, and firing off 6 rockets at the train accounts for the drop in the min FPS. Both the city, and the explosions, dropped this number. I did not detect any difference in the smoothness of game play, both were good.

This was with the developer's release of Windows 11. Same NVIDIA driver, set-up the same on both systems. Win 10 and 11 systems set-up the same also. Using a 1070 ti at 1440p, refresh rate of 144 on a gsync monitor.

 

[jnfrombigt]

On 7/12/2021 at 10:10 AM, J5_NiiranenVR-Gfr said:

If I understand it correctly it's the 11"  dev version you have ,..... The beta version will come later this month and I'll give that a try - should be more stable 

So , I'm curious and let's see ?

Other than security updates there's only been one OS update in the Win 11 developer version.  Now so far I have experienced no instability.  I use this computer just for gaming so if things gets screwed up I don't lose anything and it won't hurt to wait for the Beta but so far no problems.  I just did a couple of missions in Ice Ring and the GPU only hit 82% and all the CPU cores were spread between 88-91%.  Before Win 11 I always maxed out the GPU and the CPU cores would be spread from 50 up to 98%.  I took out the overclock to check if that might have been responsible for the image improvement and it was still super. Like I said I'm no expert but the only thing that is different is Win 11.  Update:  I forgot to mention I'm getting 40-50 FPS but the motion is very smooth.  I have the IL2 graphic settings in ULTRA with most of the others low or off. I haven't done any monitor tests. Just G2 headset.

 

Reverb G2 Aorus Z390 Ultra, RTX 2080 ti, I9-9900K,  32 Gig GSKILL Evo 970 1TB m.2,  EKWB liquid cooled.   TM 16000 Throttle  VKB Gladiator MK2 Stick

Edited July 14, 2021 by jnfrombigt

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 7/12/2021 at 1:13 PM, No_85_Gramps said:

So, some decidedly unscientific comparisons of IL2 GB in Windows 10 and 11. First results are from a QMB mission that was saved for this test. 4 P-51's, 4 B-25's, 4 109's, and 4 Ju-88's in a rumble in the air. I flew each mission pretty much the same way, attack 109's then go after Ju-88's.

 

                        Min FPS    Avg FPS    Max FPS
Windows 10    82             125            143
Windows 11    94              123            144

 

Not a significant difference by any means. Second test was done with an MP mission using the in-game dserver. Only one pilot, but lots of stuff happening in the background (convoys, AI planes, etc.).

 

                        Min FPS    Avg FPS    Max FPS

Windows 10    51              108           125
Windows 11    57              106           124

 

Again, not a significant difference. Flying a P-51 and attacking a train, in a city, and firing off 6 rockets at the train accounts for the drop in the min FPS. Both the city, and the explosions, dropped this number. I did not detect any difference in the smoothness of game play, both were good.

This was with the developer's release of Windows 11. Same NVIDIA driver, set-up the same on both systems. Win 10 and 11 systems set-up the same also. Using a 1070 ti at 1440p, refresh rate of 144 on a gsync monitor.

 

Interesting...the increase in the lows seems promising.

[Mtnbiker1998]

Giving this thread a bump, anyone else switch over and been having luck with it more recently? Been thinking about making the switch myself. 

[jollyjack]

I went to Windows 10 LTSC (after at first using LTSB) about a year ago ... never regretted it. Home and Pro gave a lot more issues with windows updates.

[No_85_Gramps]

1 hour ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Giving this thread a bump, anyone else switch over and been having luck with it more recently? Been thinking about making the switch myself. 

I haven't been in 11 for a couple of weeks. I hoping over the next few days to get back in, update some things, and run some more tests. I'm still on the developers version but, the beta version is available now. When I ran the first tests on Win 11 I hadn't realized that HAGS was on (hardware accelerated graphics) but it was off in Win 10. Not sure what impact, if any, it would have had on the results.

[J2_Steve]

I've jumped to Win 11.

It's not a massive departure from Win10 TBH. GUI improvements are nice,

rounded windows etc. Not sure about the new start menu, but I'm getting used to it

Everything is working on my system, which I use for work with a Citrix client as well as for gaming. 

Everything is working. Had no crashes.

 

Didn't bother running any before and after tests with my games. Overall I see no tangible difference in performance.

 

Edited August 13, 2021 by J2_SteveF

[dburne]

Tempting - I normally do not mind and enjoy running beta versions of software I use, but Windows I think I will wait for official release version.

[Beebop]

IMO windows is always in a beta state.  As in "this OS could be a lot bet(t)a".

[jollyjack]

On 7/3/2021 at 8:09 PM, Beebop said:

...... like owning an English sports car, drive it on Sunday, spend the next six days re-tuning it up.

 

So true, a friend had a Hillman IMP, always tuning the 4 carbs with a stethoscope. But it worked: made him National IMP rally champion once ...

[Hopper64]

Windows 11 working ok here. Maybe a little less performance only. The OS seems to me to be W10 with a face lift only. A few irritating subtractions from menus and the like. Changes in where stuff is like my wife moving stuff and not telling me. Can’t find this or that for the short term.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

3 hours ago, Hopper64 said:

Windows 11 working ok here. Maybe a little less performance only. The OS seems to me to be W10 with a face lift only. A few irritating subtractions from menus and the like. Changes in where stuff is like my wife moving stuff and not telling me. Can’t find this or that for the short term.

I have waited for this message.

 

Well my PC is Arnold on steroids shitting platinum bricks so putting 200g more on the handlebars won't have it drop a drop of sweat more. 

 

I got the Surface Pro 8 preordered in its most bombastic version anyway so I'll have to get used to Windows 11 anyway.

[jollyjack]

Is there a windows 11 LTSC version already?