How do you get a train to an emergency stop?

[namhee2]

I read in a book about the KG 55 that it was commissioned in September 1941 to disrupt the Red Army's rail traffic. It is reported that the train drivers very often stopped the locomotive when they saw the He 111. I tried to create it with the ME, unfortunately the locomotive does not react to the trigger formation "Panic Stop". I thought, with the proximity trigger, to place a "delete" on the WPT to stop the train, unfortunately the delete trigger does not accept the WPT a lot. Who has another idea?

[JimTM]

Try a Force Complete set to high, object linked to the train.

 

UPDATE: Sorry, I have a note that it does not work.

Edited June 16, 2021 by JimTM

[namhee2]

53 minutes ago, JimTM said:

Try a Force Complete set to high, object linked to the train.

 

UPDATE: Sorry, I have a note that it does not work.

I just realized that ...... I could place the WPT where I want to attack (then the train will stop automatically) and then place a new WPT with a time delay if the pilot takes too long to attack the train .

[JG4_Deciman]

Tried to disable the waypoint instead of deleting it?

 

Deci

[IckyATLAS]

21 hours ago, namhee2 said:

I read in a book about the KG 55 that it was commissioned in September 1941 to disrupt the Red Army's rail traffic. It is reported that the train drivers very often stopped the locomotive when they saw the He 111. I tried to create it with the ME, unfortunately the locomotive does not react to the trigger formation "Panic Stop". I thought, with the proximity trigger, to place a "delete" on the WPT to stop the train, unfortunately the delete trigger does not accept the WPT a lot. Who has another idea?

Strange the behaviour of stopping the loco as you see the attacking plane. You become a sitting duck. SUre you can jump away from the loco and save your life.

But if you try to be a hero and save the loco at least, then I would have accelerated to the max and then slowed and reaccelerated so as to make the pilots life more difficult with a train which speed changes erratically,  at least for bombing.

[namhee2]

6 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

Strange the behaviour of stopping the loco as you see the attacking plane. You become a sitting duck. SUre you can jump away from the loco and save your life.

But if you try to be a hero and save the loco at least, then I would have accelerated to the max and then slowed and reaccelerated so as to make the pilots life more difficult with a train which speed changes erratically,  at least for bombing.

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[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Strange the behaviour of stopping the loco as you see the attacking plane. You become a sitting duck. SUre you can jump away from the loco and save your life.

But if you try to be a hero and save the loco at least, then I would have accelerated to the max and then slowed and reaccelerated so as to make the pilots life more difficult with a train which speed changes erratically,  at least for bombing.

 

1. It takes a long time for a locomotive pulling a full load of railcars to accelerate and decelerate. 

2. Part of the point of stopping was to allow the flak gunners a better chance at hitting their target. Because of that, Typhoons and Tempests would typically not attack a train that was stopped on the tracks, because it meant the element of surprise had been lost and the gunners were waiting for them.

[IckyATLAS]

13 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

1. It takes a long time for a locomotive pulling a full load of railcars to accelerate and decelerate. 

2. Part of the point of stopping was to allow the flak gunners a better chance at hitting their target. Because of that, Typhoons and Tempests would typically not attack a train that was stopped on the tracks, because it meant the element of surprise had been lost and the gunners were waiting for them.

For an AAA equipped train stopping does indeed make a lot of sense. 

 

But for an unarmed train, another strategy would be to slow down disconnect the railcars (due to high inertia of the convoy the railcars will continue following the loco for a few minutes at least and this won't be seen by the pilots) and when you see the planes coming down for attack then brutally accelerate the Loco full steam without the carriages. This would surprise the planes as two targets separate. I suppose saving the Loco is the only valuable thing as anyway the carriages and their load are doomed not having AAA to protect them. If you saved the Loco you can come back after the planes are gone and pull away what has remained and maybe salvage some of the stuff. AN interesting topic to study.

 

[Rjel]

Like Luke said, I don't think you can "brutally accelerate" a locomotive from a standing stop or even a slow speed. This clip has been posted here before but it illustrates the point well. 

 

The Train (4/10) Movie CLIP - Spitfire Attack (1964) HD - YouTube

[namhee2]

By the way, it would also be very interesting if we had a "boxnb ammo" wagon.

 

[IckyATLAS]

45 minutes ago, Rjel said:

Like Luke said, I don't think you can "brutally accelerate" a locomotive from a standing stop or even a slow speed. This clip has been posted here before but it illustrates the point well. 

 

The Train (4/10) Movie CLIP - Spitfire Attack (1964) HD - YouTube

Nice video indeed. In need to look more into steam locomotive performances. I am too used to electric locomotives which clearly is totally different.

[LukeFF]

11 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

But for an unarmed train, another strategy would be to slow down disconnect the railcars (due to high inertia of the convoy the railcars will continue following the loco for a few minutes at least and this won't be seen by the pilots) and when you see the planes coming down for attack then brutally accelerate the Loco full steam without the carriages. This would surprise the planes as two targets separate. I suppose saving the Loco is the only valuable thing as anyway the carriages and their load are doomed not having AAA to protect them. If you saved the Loco you can come back after the planes are gone and pull away what has remained and maybe salvage some of the stuff. AN interesting topic to study.

 

I think you've been watching a tad too many Hollywood films. ?

[Beebop]

On 6/18/2021 at 1:04 PM, LukeFF said:

I think you've been watching a tad too many Hollywood films.

The RAF did.  They invented the "Blockbuster" bomb.  ?

[jollyjack]

On 6/18/2021 at 10:04 PM, LukeFF said:

I think you've been watching a tad too many Hollywood films. ?

 

PS are there any Bollywood films with train attacks by planes? That would make a good show with wagon roofs loaded with chickens, live stock etc for IL2.

But i guess Pacific comes first (without trains alas) ...

[LukeFF]

5 hours ago, jollyjack said:

PS are there any Bollywood films with train attacks by planes? That would make a good show with wagon roofs loaded with chickens, live stock etc for IL2.

But i guess Pacific comes first (without trains alas) ...

 

I'm sure if you asked that in the Free Subject section, you'd get a response there. Otherwise, please keep off-topic comments out of this discussion.