Simple HUD Gunsight view with no cockpit is unavailable. What if the user never plays online anyway? I miss the beautiful views...

[johnwick4001]

Just bought and downloaded Bodenplatte last night and after 2 hours of trying to configure my setup and researching i discover there is NO way have a selectable no cockpit HUD view with just the gunsight reticle. I honestly could not care less about online gaming and read that this prohibition is actually a anti cheating feature,because it makes it easier to see with a much greater field of view. Did anyone take into account the cinematic pleasure of such a FOV while you are on your attack run with the beautiful work that has been done on this game?

How about giving people who only play offline the option, because for many of us it is the sheer pleasure of viewing the awesome cinematic action in this game..

[CaptainFlemme]

I don't know if it's any good for you, since it's a little different from a full "bird view with HUD", but there are other view available, excellent for screenshots or scenic view. You can circle through those with ALT+F2 if i'm not mistaken  !

 

e.g. :

 

Cheers,

H.

[Chief_Mouser]

33 minutes ago, johnwick4001 said:

Just bought and downloaded Bodenplatte last night and after 2 hours of trying to configure my setup and researching i discover there is NO way have a selectable no cockpit HUD view with just the gunsight reticle. I honestly could not care less about online gaming and read that this prohibition is actually a anti cheating feature,because it makes it easier to see with a much greater field of view. Did anyone take into account the cinematic pleasure of such a FOV while you are on your attack run with the beautiful work that has been done on this game?

How about giving people who only play offline the option, because for many of us it is the sheer pleasure of viewing the awesome cinematic action in this game..

 

It is also a 'cheat' in single-player. Il-2 GB tries its best to be a sim rather than a game, and mostly succeeds, so some of the easier difficulty options that were in the old Il-2 aren't here.

[SharpeXB]

I never understood the appeal of “Wonder Woman” view. 

[johnwick4001]

5 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

It is also a 'cheat' in single-player. Il-2 GB tries its best to be a sim rather than a game, and mostly succeeds, so some of the easier difficulty options that were in the old Il-2 aren't here.

 

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

I never understood the appeal of “Wonder Woman” view. 

well, we could also rig our PC to ignite in a ball of flame when we get hit to keep up the realism factor... how far do you guys want to go?

[SharpeXB]

8 minutes ago, johnwick4001 said:

 

well, we could also rig our PC to ignite in a ball of flame when we get hit to keep up the realism factor... how far do you guys want to go?

It’s not even about realism, the game just seems kinda ridiculous without a cockpit. It’s supposed to be a flight sim. How are you supposed to be flying around without a cockpit? Are you a super hero or a pilot? Why would you not want to see the cockpit? None of that makes sense. 

[RNAS10_Oliver]

6 hours ago, CaptainFlemme said:

I don't know if it's any good for you, since it's a little different from a full "bird view with HUD", but there are other view available, excellent for screenshots or scenic view. You can circle through those with ALT+F2 if i'm not mistaken  !

 

e.g. :

 

Cheers,

H.

And you can also mod these viewpoints quite easily to edit the existing views or add new ones that are for example right in front of the airscrew (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Oliver88

[johnwick4001]

12 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

It’s not even about realism, the game just seems kinda ridiculous without a cockpit. It’s supposed to be a flight sim. How are you supposed to be flying around without a cockpit? Are you a super hero or a pilot? Why would you not want to see the cockpit? None of that makes sense. 

The same way I was trained in using my M4 - when we were focused on target with that eotech, you would be very surprised how that entire barrel in front of you turned nearly invisible and you couldn't even notice it, thats how

[SharpeXB]

22 minutes ago, johnwick4001 said:

The same way I was trained in using my M4 - when we were focused on target with that eotech, you would be very surprised how that entire barrel in front of you turned nearly invisible and you couldn't even notice it, thats how

Not even the same thing as a cockpit. When you’re driving your car are you aware of being in the car? Look at it this way. IL-2 GB was developed from the WWI flight sim Rise of Flight. Can you imagine a WWI flight sim with invisible planes? No… what would a WWI HUD look like? Wonder Woman is an extremely silly arcade game feature. It’s just reality breaking. 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by SharpeXB

[Eisenfaustus]

On 6/13/2021 at 8:52 PM, 216th_Cat said:

 

It is also a 'cheat' in single-player. Il-2 GB tries its best to be a sim rather than a game, and mostly succeeds, so some of the easier difficulty options that were in the old Il-2 aren't here.

You can fly invulnerable with unlimited ammo in SP if you wish - so why not a view as described? You even can fly with mouse in 3rd person with a floating crosshair with floating coloured boxes around bandits and a leading mark infront of them…

It‘s a game sold for entertainment - I think a view as suggested could quite easily be accomplished - so why not? Would anyone be hurt by that?

I personally like to fly full real in vr and would never turn off the beautiful cockpits - but I see no reason why such a view would be a bad idea for players who enjoy it. 

[SharpeXB]

Are there any first person shooter games without the person?

Are there racing sims with an invisible car? I don’t think so. It’s not that it can’t be done, it’s just a ridiculous idea to begin with. 

[RNAS10_Oliver]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Are there any first person shooter games without the person?

Are there racing sims with an invisible car? I don’t think so. It’s not that it can’t be done, it’s just a ridiculous idea to begin with. 

I’m hoping that’s sarcasm. I’ve no interest in seeing this either waste of resources better spent on other things. But first person shooters and racing sims have had these views for example the early Ghost Recon and Rainbow Six games. And combat flight simulators such as EF200 Typhoon used to have these HUD only views available also. Maybe an feature of an bygone age though.

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Oliver88

[zan64]

jane's usaf had it too. personally i'd kind of like it too because I'd like to make a "simpit" with multimonitors one day

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Oliver88 said:

Maybe an feature of an bygone age though.

Yeah you may be reaching back to dark ages. I have not seen any games like this. It’s just horribly reality breaking. 

14 minutes ago, zan64 said:

personally i'd kind of like it too because I'd like to make a "simpit" with multimonitors one day

That’s the only decent use I can think of for it. But cockpit building is very rare. That view, to be authentic wouldn’t have a HUD either, maybe just a gun reticle. The problem with that view, in a flight sim with a decently complex flight model, is you get no visual feedback from the aircraft itself at all. Even being able to see your own canopy frame is enough feedback. Some of the WWI aircraft would just be impossible for players to control without some visual reference. And again, what does a WWI HUD look like? See you can tell why RoF got rid of this silliness. 

1 hour ago, Oliver88 said:

EF200 Typhoon

PS that game looks awful! ? see back in the dark ages everything was so terrible looking who cared? Games today are expected to be immersive and believable. Asteroids didn’t have a cockpit view either…

Edited June 15, 2021 by SharpeXB

[BraveSirRobin]

19 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

 Asteroids didn’t have a cockpit view either…

Arguably that would have been pretty cool.

[johnwick4001]

@sharpeXB- I'm glad you're out there judging what others enjoy in a game. The idea actually seemed to make you angry enough to throw around pejoratives like "silliness","awful","ridiculous", etc..  games are really not important enough to actually become emotional over.

It's just a game, and maybe you can tell us all about your own personal role in developing it and why you think you tell others how they are allowed to use their own personal copies of the game.

[SharpeXB]

5 hours ago, johnwick4001 said:

It's just a game, and maybe you can tell us all about your own personal role in developing it and why you think you tell others how they are allowed to use their own personal copies of the game.

If I have to speculate on the real reason this feature isn’t there? It’s because flying the WWI aircraft in RoF would just be impossible without some visual reference of your plane. Vision is the only feedback you get on a PC sim. Plus it would become another server setting which splits up the player base. There aren’t enough players in niche games like this to provide so many options. 
I’m sure there are instructions here on how to set up a snap view which replicates this viewpoint. Like a gun camera view. 

Edited June 16, 2021 by SharpeXB

[RedKestrel]

I believe old Il-2 1946 had this setting - 2001 vintage.  Every once in a while someone requests it for this version. Never seen any comment on it from the devs. Probably their 3D artists are quite proud of the cockpits , the canopy reflections, etc. And as we are always told, the team is very small and has a very tight budget. Anything they do is weighed as cost/benefit in terms of new buyers or retaining current ones.

 

Personally the game is beautiful and the maps are very nice,  but the cockpits are a high point of the views in the game, especially if you have to turn down your landscape settings or draw distance a bit, which makes the maps a little less impactful. 

As mentioned there are ways to set up external views and people have recorded 'guncam' videos for Youtube. It wouldn't have the reticle but you could switch to the view when you wanted to feel cinematic.

 

Maybe someone could do it as a mod? I think you would have to make all the aircraft and cockpit textures invisible to make it work. Like many things its probably more complicated to implement than people think. And any mod would have to be updated every time there was a new plane or a change to the way the game works, if its possible at all.
 

[johnwick4001]

Would be nice if a modder was able and permitted to offer this- I fly with a combination of cockpit views and fly bys,but the ability to HUD while on a attack run is visually very satisfying- watching your MK108 rounds curve in their trajectory before exploding along a Fortress' fuselage or seeing your tracers impacting along a railway  just before they rip apart a supply train simply has to be viewed in realtime without a cockpit impeding more than half of  the view.

Edited June 16, 2021 by johnwick4001
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[RNAS10_Oliver]

1 hour ago, johnwick4001 said:

Would be nice if a modder was able and permitted to offer this- I fly with a combination of cockpit views and fly bys,but the ability to HUD while on a attack run is visually very satisfying- watching your MK108 rounds curve in their trajectory before exploding along a Fortress' fuselage or seeing your tracers impacting along a railway  just before they rip apart a supply train simply has to be viewed in realtime without a cockpit impeding more than half of  the view.

Then you should download the fixed camera view files from the link I’ve supplied earlier in this thread and setup a new view in front of the spinner.

An modification such as what RedKestrel suggests at the end of his post would not enable you to switch between cockpit and HUD during the game. It’s about changing the textures for the cockpit to transparent images. No switching between the two possible.

[johnwick4001]

Will try and advise upon results! Thank you,Red

[Chief_Mouser]

'watching your MK108 rounds curve in their trajectory before exploding along a Fortress' fuselage...'

 

Sorry mate you're in the wrong game. It's not going to happen.

[johnwick4001]

 

'watching your MK108 rounds curve in their trajectory before exploding along a Fortress' fuselage...'

 

Sorry mate you're in the wrong game. It's not going to happen."

 

Why not?