Pfalz DXII

[Voidhunger]

Pfalz! Thanks

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, Voidhunger said:

Pfalz! Thanks

 

Pfalz sales pitch: Manufacturing OK planes that make their pilots yearn for better ones. 

 

I really never got the Pfalz D.XII other than somebody at Pfalz had black mail pictures of the head of procurement.  They already had the D.VII, which was not only a great airplane but relatively simple to build.  What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

I know it was a Bavarian thing but the Bavarian units also flew the D.VII ... politics I guess.

 

Still happy to have it in the game.

Edited June 9, 2021 by PatrickAWlson

[Vortice]

9 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

Perhaps it gave them a Pfalz sense of security.

[JG1_Vonrd]

1 hour ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Pfalz sales pitch: Manufacturing OK planes that make their pilots yearn for better ones. 

 

I really never got the Pfalz D.XII other than somebody at Pfalz had black mail pictures of the head of procurement.  They already had the D.VII, which was not only a great airplane but relatively simple to build.  What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

I know it was a Bavarian thing but the Bavarian units also flew the D.VII ... politics I guess.

 

Still happy to have it in the game.

Yeah per Wikipedia:

• No one wanted to fly those Pfalzs except under compulsion, and those who had to made as much fuss as they could about practicing on them.

  Later their pilots got on very well with them. They flew quite decently and could always keep pace with the Fokkers; in fact they dived even faster. But they were heavy for turns and fighting purposes, in which respect they were not to be compared with the Fokkers. The Fokker was a bloodstock animal that answered to the slightest movement of the hand and could almost guess the rider's will in advance. The Pfalz was a clumsy cart-horse that went heavy in the reins and obeyed nothing but the most brutal force.

  Those who flew the Pfalzs did so because there were no other machines for them. But they always gazed enviously at the Fokkers and prayed for the quick chance of an exchange.

Personally, I always liked "Der Zuperpfalz" in ROF and glad to see it in FC.

 

Nice DD Jason, hope you and the team enjoy some time off.

[Voidhunger]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Pfalz sales pitch: Manufacturing OK planes that make their pilots yearn for better ones. 

 

I really never got the Pfalz D.XII other than somebody at Pfalz had black mail pictures of the head of procurement.  They already had the D.VII, which was not only a great airplane but relatively simple to build.  What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

I know it was a Bavarian thing but the Bavarian units also flew the D.VII ... politics I guess.

 

Still happy to have it in the game.

While i like Fokker DVII it looks boring. Pfalz DXII is beautiful looking plane and its more interesting to fly than the dvii.

Hopefully we will have au engine for it soon.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 minute ago, Voidhunger said:

While i like Fokker DVII it looks boring. Pfalz DXII is beautiful looking plane and its more interesting to fly than the dvii.

Hopefully we will have au engine for it soon.

 

It's a welcome addition to the game, but my consternation has more to do with why the thing ever saw the light of day in real life.  Bavarians to this day are stubborn about Freistaat Bayern.  They must have been much more so in 1918.  Being of Bavarian descent myself I have an affinity for all things Bavarian (I insist on playing Bavaria in Europa Universalis ... I once managed to colonize North Carolina  ) but if I was around in 1918, Bavarian pride be damned, I'm taking the Fokker.

 

[Voidhunger]

55 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

It's a welcome addition to the game, but my consternation has more to do with why the thing ever saw the light of day in real life.  Bavarians to this day are stubborn about Freistaat Bayern.  They must have been much more so in 1918.  Being of Bavarian descent myself I have an affinity for all things Bavarian (I insist on playing Bavaria in Europa Universalis ... I once managed to colonize North Carolina  ) but if I was around in 1918, Bavarian pride be damned, I'm taking the Fokker.

 

I think it was build as another plane if something goes wrong with the Fokker DVII.

It was insurance to have better plane than old Albatros and Pfalz or Fokker DrI.

[HartneyUS27]

I Hope the pfalz dont get an Au engine besides why should yall get the advantage anyway you and your post armistice planes as if it wasnt enough to actually get good at the game in the first place. Use the D7f you already have.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Kaiserboo

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Pfalz sales pitch: Manufacturing OK planes that make their pilots yearn for better ones. 

 

I really never got the Pfalz D.XII other than somebody at Pfalz had black mail pictures of the head of procurement.  They already had the D.VII, which was not only a great airplane but relatively simple to build.  What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

I know it was a Bavarian thing but the Bavarian units also flew the D.VII ... politics I guess.

 

Still happy to have it in the game.

 

Do you mean the Pfalz D.VIII? The D.VII had different wings bracing and didn't receive an order.

 

I suspect that engine availability may have dictated the D.XII line... the Pfalz D.VIII was competing with the SSW D.III/D.IV for engines.

 

I ended up flying it a lot like a P.47  A series of accelerations to rebuild energy and turns to get head-on passes. It flies a bit differently with its narrow wings (narrow in airfoil, not aspect ratio)... decent acceleration at the cost of a lot of other good qualities. It has excellent visibility though. It was the first aircraft I got in Rise of Flight... and I didn't really regret it - I like the challenge (and the visibility). So, I've been really looking forward to getting this aircraft back.

[Soilworker]

9 hours ago, Kaiserboo said:

I Hope the pfalz dont get an Au engine besides why should yall get the advantage anyway you and your post armistice planes as if it wasnt enough to actually get good at the game in the first place. Use the D7f you already have.

 

I hope it does get the aü engine, I think you're confusing it with BMW IIIa that the D.VIIf has, that engine should not be in the D.XII, the only evidence that it was used is (IIRC) one prototype and the stories invented by the notorious bullshit artist Anthony Fokker. 

[US103_Baer]

15 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

It's a welcome addition to the game, but my consternation has more to do with why the thing ever saw the light of day in real life.

 

 

If the DXII is modeled with the correct engine, great. If it gets bastardized with a BMW there will be valid questions why it saw the light of day in the sim.

 

Also, wonder if it'll get the wing DM of the SE5a/Spad (cardboard) or the Pfalz DIIIa (titanium).

 

 

Edited June 10, 2021 by US28_Baer

[Soilworker]

44 minutes ago, US28_Baer said:

 

If the DXII is modeled with the correct engine, great. If it gets bastardized with a BMW there will be valid questions why it saw the light of day in the sim.

 

Also, wonder if it'll get the wing DM of the SE5a/Spad (cardboard) or the Pfalz DIIIa (titanium).

 

 

 

I also wish they'd fix the gun:projectile angles in the SE5a, I hated it in RoF, in FC with VR it looks truly awful and ridiculous. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

After finally getting around to purchasing FC2, I'm excited to be getting a DXII.

Apart from attacking Bristols, it's not going to be much use to me until the HP arrives.

Takes a brave man to dogfight in it - I'm talking to you I Fly Central !

Probably not a bad ground attack option..

 

It had the most stable gun platform in RoF, and up there with the best roll rates.

Big drawbacks (in RoF) were being terrible at diving, and shuddering like crazy with the slightest over-speed wing damage.

It's a b*st*rd to land, and stay well away from Spdas and SE5's !!

 

Apart from that - looking forward to see how she compares.

S!

[PatrickAWlson]

52 minutes ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

After finally getting around to purchasing FC2, I'm excited to be getting a DXII.

Apart from attacking Bristols, it's not going to be much use to me until the HP arrives.

Takes a brave man to dogfight in it - I'm talking to you I Fly Central !

Probably not a bad ground attack option..

 

It had the most stable gun platform in RoF, and up there with the best roll rates.

Big drawbacks (in RoF) were being terrible at diving, and shuddering like crazy with the slightest over-speed wing damage.

It's a b*st*rd to land, and stay well away from Spdas and SE5's !!

 

Apart from that - looking forward to see how she compares.

S!

 

In real life it was great at diving and had a terrible roll rate.  Back to Stark's commentary: "The Pfalz was a clumsy cart-horse that went heavy in the reins and obeyed nothing but the most brutal force."

[HartneyUS27]

20 hours ago, Soilworker said:

 

I hope it does get the aü engine, I think you're confusing it with BMW IIIa that the D.VIIf has, that engine should not be in the D.XII, the only evidence that it was used is (IIRC) one prototype and the stories invented by the notorious bullshit artist Anthony Fokker. 

You are missing the point I'm not saying they are similar I'm asking whats wrong with the standard engine and why is there a need for the best of the best on the central side. Allied planes arent getting best of the best it definitely doesn't do us any favors so we compensate by learning the plane. why do germans get the fancy engines if they were rarely used in the case of D7f less than 300 made. And since that wasn't enough now you want the Au engine i say heck no if it gives any more advantage that isn't based on reality. Its like in this game allied planes are just meant to be cannon fodder. Thx to the Dm that was released last year. Bear in mind this applies to both ww2 and ww1 sure ww2 gets updates. FC honestly updates in regards to fixes is very rare.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Kaiserboo

[Soilworker]

1 hour ago, Kaiserboo said:

You are missing the point I'm not saying they are similar I'm asking whats wrong with the standard engine and why is there a need for the best of the best on the central side. Allied planes arent getting best of the best it definitely doesn't do us any favors so we compensate by learning the plane. why do germans get the fancy engines if they were rarely used in the case of D7f less than 300 made. And since that wasn't enough now you want the Au engine i say heck no if it gives any more advantage that isn't based on reality. Its like in this game allied planes are just meant to be cannon fodder. Thx to the Dm that was released last year. Bear in mind this applies to both ww2 and ww1 sure ww2 gets updates. FC honestly updates in regards to fixes is very rare.

 

Meh, I couldn't care less about multiplayer competition, I just want it to have an engine it actually had on the front line. If it only had the D.IIIa then it should only have that (I thought it also had the aü, maybe I'm wrong). The version in RoF erroneously had the BMW IIIa and I hope they don't just port it over without rectifying this oversight. 

 

I agree that the DM definitely needs fixing though. 

[ST_Catchov]

22 hours ago, US28_Baer said:

 

If the DXII is modeled with the correct engine, great. If it gets bastardized with a BMW there will be valid questions why it saw the light of day in the sim.

 

Also, wonder if it'll get the wing DM of the SE5a/Spad (cardboard) or the Pfalz DIIIa (titanium).

 

 

 

Hmmm. Well on current form ....

 

It'll look great but. And that's the main thing. 

 

Apparently.

18 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

After finally getting around to purchasing FC2

 

You took your time bonnie lad. You gonna start up Zoo Wings again or ....

[Zooropa_Fly]

24 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

 

You took your time bonnie lad. You gonna start up Zoo Wings again or ....

 

G'Day Cobber !

No plans at the moment, hashing about in a bf110 mostly these days.

But probably one day..

S!

[ST_Catchov]

3 hours ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

 

G'Day Cobber !

No plans at the moment, hashing about in a bf110 mostly these days.

But probably one day..

S!

 

Yeah I heard. How are you managing that kite? Two engines and flaps and prop pitch and stuff! Blimey too complex for me with my setup. If you ever get ZW going, let me know, if I'm still around lol. I did have some laughs. Pity more blokes didn't show.

[migmadmarine]

On 6/10/2021 at 1:45 AM, US28_Baer said:

 

If the DXII is modeled with the correct engine, great. If it gets bastardized with a BMW there will be valid questions why it saw the light of day in the sim.

 

Also, wonder if it'll get the wing DM of the SE5a/Spad (cardboard) or the Pfalz DIIIa (titanium).

 

 

During his birthday Q&A jason said they are looking at putting alternate engines in to some of the FC aircraft. Fokker D.VII and Pfalz D.XII were the ones in question as I recall.

[US103_Baer]

12 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

During his birthday Q&A jason said they are looking at putting alternate engines in to some of the FC aircraft. Fokker D.VII and Pfalz D.XII were the ones in question as I recall.

 

Yes, well, rather begs the question about Entente engine variants. Planes like the '220hp SPAD' actually have the wrong engine, a 200hp model. So fixing that would add a very suitable variant for a start.

[J2_Trupobaw]

On 6/9/2021 at 4:44 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Pfalz sales pitch: Manufacturing OK planes that make their pilots yearn for better ones. 

 

I really never got the Pfalz D.XII other than somebody at Pfalz had black mail pictures of the head of procurement.  They already had the D.VII, which was not only a great airplane but relatively simple to build.  What was the decision making process that allowed the D.XII to enter service?

 

I know it was a Bavarian thing but the Bavarian units also flew the D.VII ... politics I guess.

 

Still happy to have it in the game.

Pfalz could put out new planes faster and cheaper than any of competitors. Pfalz D.XII was to Fokker D.VII what Pfalz D.III was to Albatros D.V (or what Sopwith Camel was to S.E.5a) - inferior substitute that could be produced quickly and in great numbers given resources available.

 

The only problem with Pfalz D.XII was, it came after Fokker D.VII. It was superior to Albatrosen it was replacing, and could replace them faster than Fokkers.

 

I loved the plane in RoF and can't wait to get it in FC. No recon will be safe. I hope they get DM better, too, it was better diver than D.VII historically.

Edited June 12, 2021 by J2_Trupobaw