What plane do you wish for?

[Johnny_Red]

Finkeren is absolutely right here. And "nazi" refers to member or supporter of National Socialist (German) Worker's party, not citizen of Germany. And while many of the Germans were also nazis, not all of them were and it's not correct to use the term as a synonym of German. You know, nazis never did get more than 44% of vote in elections

"Or supporter of National Socialist Workers party"...Those in the armed forces I would argue would be the biggest supporters of the nazi party. Either that or cowards who wouldn't stand up and refuse to fight for a system they didn't support. It has always surprised me the amount of anti nazis that came out of the woodwork after the war was lost and the horrors of that regime were discovered. Stalins Soviet Union has its own horrors to be sure.

But that is an argument for a different topic. 

Back on topic

I'd love to see an A-26 invader

[Tab]

Strictly speaking, "Soviet" implies a citizen of the U.S.S.R. Not every Soviet citizen was Russian, far from it. 

 

But this is just me being pedantic.

 

 

FYI the word "Soviet" in USSR means "being governed by communistic assembly = (sovet)", it's a term of a political nature, and it implies in the first line socialistic government of workers, but also happens to have this widely accepted meaning of simply "coming from the soviet union". Also not every citizen of Germany was German, so these are all generalizations anyway. I just pointed out, that it's inconsistent to fight against one generalization ("nazi") using the other one("soviet"). In fact "soviet" is as politically loaded as "communist" and "nazi", it just got a wider spread is for unknown reason considered to be unpolitical.

But it's probably enough off-topic here

 

 

 

I would like to see the soviet armenian-russian MiG-3 with AM-38 Engine

Edited June 20, 2014 by Tab

[Dakpilot]

I don't want to add to the political aspect of the discussion but... I think it not surprising for German WWII A/C to be referred to as Nazi aircraft because they were funded with Nazi money, paid for with funds from Nazi party and solely used to fight a war led by Hitler who was certainly a Nazi....

 

However the people who designed built and flew them are an entirely different matter

 

And back on topic I wish for any new WWII aircraft..even the ugly ones  be they facist communist or capitalist

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited June 20, 2014 by Dakpilot

[VikingFjord]

 

Gunther Rall would suggest substantially the same thing, Viking. Rall trained 109 pilots to fight the P-51, while flying a captured example. Rall stated that the P-51 was best, when asked to compare all the fighters he had the opportunity to fly. Some persons seem to love to throw out the idea that the Mustang was somewhat inferior to Axis piston fighters and won through shear numbers. Rall does not seem to share this view and he was one of the most accomplished By-109 air aces. You can quote whatever facts and figures you wish. All the academic arguments in the World didn't sway Rall' s mind.

 

 

 

Finally ... the voice of reason!!!

i just gonna repeat what i said on the other thread so we can get this thread back on track...

 

"Gunther Rall is a awesome pilot but he alone don't decide over facts whats best it is simply his own preferance

in the same way as Skip holm thinks the Bf 109 is better"

 

 

and to you guys who discuss the words of nazi and soviet perhaps a new thread for it?

would make an interesting end result 

 

now back to topic for the rest

Edited June 20, 2014 by VikingFjord

[Gambit21]

 

Gunther Rall would suggest substantially the same thing, Viking. Rall trained 109 pilots to fight the P-51, while flying a captured example. Rall stated that the P-51 was best, when asked to compare all the fighters he had the opportunity to fly. Some persons seem to love to throw out the idea that the Mustang was somewhat inferior to Axis piston fighters and won through shear numbers. Rall does not seem to share this view and he was one of the most accomplished By-109 air aces. You can quote whatever facts and figures you wish. All the academic arguments in the World didn't sway Rall' s mind.

 

If you read Willi Heilmann's book "I Fought You From The Skies" you'll find out they were not afraid of Mustangs

at all, but rather the P47's screaming down on them from above with their 8 .50 cals. 

 

The fact is that the 109 and especially the 190 were top drawer aircraft, and the equal of the Mustang in a fair fight.

This is further driven home by testimonies from Mustang pilots who late in the war suddenly encounter an "unusual" or "different" 109 that seems

to fly better then what they're used to, and they end up losing a fight to it, or can't shoot it down. This "different" 109 of course is the same, just

being flown by the increasingly rare experienced pilot. 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2014 by Gambit21

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Must resist temptation to continue about terminology... must resist... Done. For now, I would like to see Bf 110, Ju 88 and Hs 129 and A-4 to -6 model Fw 190s. Yak-7, P-39 and P-40 for soviets.

[VikingFjord]

Must resist temptation to continue about terminology... must resist... Done. For now,

Good boy!   i did start another thread so those who want can continue there

i see some in here wish for the 262 would be cool to see 777 do that

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I'd love to see an A-26 invader

 

Happy to oblige.  One of the stars of "One Six Right", sitting out on the ramp at Carson (CXP) this past Memorial Day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Johnny_Red]

Happy to oblige.  One of the stars of "One Six Right", sitting out on the ramp at Carson (CXP) this past Memorial Day.

 

 

That's what I'm talking about. 3 major conflicts and still putting out fires. Second favorite plane after the skyraider.

Thanks for the pictures Heavy

Edited June 20, 2014 by Johnny_Red

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

That's what I'm talking about. 3 major conflicts and still putting out fires. Second favorite plane after the skyraider.

Thanks for the pictures Heavy

 My pleasure.  There is a Skyraider at Carson as well, but over on the other side of the airport that I don't get to much.

[Johnny_Red]

 My pleasure.  There is a Skyraider at Carson as well, but over on the other side of the airport that I don't get to much.

That's interesting. Is it airworthy? What version is it? Due to the Vietnam war there arent many A1-H's or A-1J's left. Most are AD-4's from French service 

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

That's interesting. Is it airworthy? What version is it? Due to the Vietnam war there arent many A1-H's or A-1J's left. Most are AD-4's from French service 

 I will PM.

[Wind]

Hmm, a bit more a mud mover than fighter jock so...

 

- A20 & B25 : About 3000 of the planes were deliver as lend-lease. I loved the A20 in the IL-2 PF and good times could be had in the skies of

stalingrad as well.

 

- Ju 88 : Well duh!

 

- Hs129 : To knock the lights out of the tanks, trains and shipping.

 

- Ju52 : Not that I would fly it, I am not that sick puppy, but for the immersion it would be nice and lets face it...we all love to light that candle up..

 

- Ju189, Po-2, SB would be nice to shoot up as well.

[Volkoff]

 

I would like to see the soviet armenian-russian MiG-3 with AM-38 Engine

 

Tab, wasn't the AM-38 used in only one known example of the Mig-3? I really hope we get a Mig-3 in game, but I think that the best version we can hope to see will be a late version Mig-3, powered by an AM-35 engine. I think that machine will be highly challenging, extremely fun, and terribly photogenic.

 

MJ

[Volkoff]

 

If you read Willi Heilmann's book "I Fought You From The Skies" you'll find out they were not afraid of Mustangs

at all, but rather the P47's screaming down on them from above with their 8 .50 cals. 

 

The fact is that the 109 and especially the 190 were top drawer aircraft, and the equal of the Mustang in a fair fight.

This is further driven home by testimonies from Mustang pilots who late in the war suddenly encounter an "unusual" or "different" 109 that seems

to fly better then what they're used to, and they end up losing a fight to it, or can't shoot it down. This "different" 109 of course is the same, just

being flown by the increasingly rare experienced pilot. 

 

 

Fear? When I was 18, I would drive 90 miles per hour, through 15 mile per hour zones, using a stock Honda Accord LX. I was not afraid, but, in retrospect, I should have been afraid. My lack of appreciation for what I was dealing with, my lack of appreciation for the dangers involved, only demonstrated my hubris and ignorance of what I was dealing with. I can be killed by that which brings me to laughter, as easily as that which sends me running under the covers. A freight train heading my way can kill me dead upon the track I stand, whether I fear it or not. As for the unusual machines, these machines could have been modified, stripped of armor, or altered in other ways, so as to gain additional performance. The persons piloting these planes could have been highly experienced, but their machines may have been modified, as well.

 

MJ

Edited June 22, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Tab]

Tab, wasn't the AM-38 used in only one known example of the Mig-3? I really hope we get a Mig-3 in game, but I think that the best version we can hope to see will be a late version Mig-3, powered by an AM-35 engine. I think that machine will be highly challenging, extremely fun, and terribly photogenic.

 

MJ

This one exemplar was the only one factory-produced and even saw combat But there are sources stating there were few others field-modifications:

 

Due to the shortage of AM-35A engines, some units conducted their own experiment with the AM-38. Two aircraft of 402 IAP were modified during November 1941, and were tested by the regimental Commander Major K.A.Grudzev, and squadron commander captain B.G. Boroday. The former shot down two enemy bombers while testing modified aircraft n. 4184.

 Probably won't be enough for 1CGS to include this one as a field modification, but MiG-3 will rule regardless

[Flynco]

Spitfire MK IX

 

Curtis P-40 C

 

FW 190

 

P-51D

[Gambit21]

Fear? When I was 18, I would drive 90 miles per hour, through 15 mile per hour zones, using a stock Honda Accord LX. I was not afraid, but, in retrospect, I should have been afraid. My lack of appreciation for what I was dealing with, my lack of appreciation for the dangers involved, only demonstrated my hubris and ignorance of what I was dealing with. I can be killed by that which brings me to laughter, as easily as that which sends me running under the covers. A freight train heading my way can kill me dead upon the track I stand, whether I fear it or not. As for the unusual machines, these machines could have been modified, stripped of armor, or altered in other ways, so as to gain additional performance. The persons piloting these planes could have been highly experienced, but their machines may have been modified, as well.

 

MJ

THE POINT, which you missed, is that the 190 pilots flying in the war at the time had reason to fear the P47 more than the Mustang due

to their experiences with both.

Pretty simple I thought.

[IIN8II]

1: Mig-3

2: Mig-3

3: Mig-3

[CIA_Windhawk]

I'd love to take a P-51 for a spin in the new IL2 flight model.  Maybe an Allison 'Stang, since we're flying early-war birds.  The P-51A had kick-ass performance at lower altitudes.

[javelina]

1: Mig-3

2: Mig-3

3: Mig-3

I'm struggling with what you really want there M8... 

 

put wings and engine on it, and I'll fly it!! 

[PauloHirth]

Bf-109G-6 late

Bf-109G-6AS

Fw-190A-5

HurricaneMkIIc

TyphoonMkIB

SpitfireMk-IIA 

Yak-9B

Yak-9K 

P-36A-4           

P-39N1

P-40C/E

P-51B

[JG1_Pragr]

Hs129B-2

 

And hopefully Westland Whirlwind and P-47D (Razorback) if the game will be successful.

[Blooddawn1942]

I would like to see Corsairs, Bearcats, Skyraiders and B-29's along with Sabres over Korea at some point in the Future.

 

For now, lets expand and complete the easternfront midwar planeset.

Ju 52

FW 189

Bf 110

Ju 88

Hs 129

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'd love to take a P-51 for a spin in the new IL2 flight model.  Maybe an Allison 'Stang, since we're flying early-war birds.  The P-51A had kick-ass performance at lower altitudes.

Hope for a North Africa scenario. It'd fit in great there... along with the A-36 divebomber variant and the Mustang with the four 20mm cannons. That'd be an interesting plane to have around. The P-51A and derivatives rarely get any pickup in a simulator.

[sop]

p-38 we are allowed to dream right?

[Neil]

Junkers 52 and PO2

 

Would be nice!

[IVJG4-Knight]

"Or supporter of National Socialist Workers party"...Those in the armed forces I would argue would be the biggest supporters of the nazi party. Either that or cowards who wouldn't stand up and refuse to fight for a system they didn't support. It has always surprised me the amount of anti nazis that came out of the woodwork after the war was lost and the horrors of that regime were discovered. Stalins Soviet Union has its own horrors to be sure.

But that is an argument for a different topic. 

Back on topic

I'd love to see an A-26 invader

 

So what was Claus von Stauffenberg ? A nazi or a coward ? There are many who tried to kill that pig (hitler).

If you did something and the gestapo would crucify your family back home. Would that be heroic or stupid ?

[Feathered_IV]

Precious few actually tried to kill Hitler. Though I'm sure there were plenty who said they were "gonna" afterwards.

[Finkeren]

The German military aristocracy largely wanted a return of the days of the Empire, where German military hegemony dictated a lot of European politics. They saw Hitler and the nazi movement as means to an end. By 1943 it was pretty clear, that the big German gamble had failed and some of the military leadership began looking for a way out, while others took pride in staying loyal and defiant of the enemy well beyond the point where it made any sense. Nothing strange about this really.

[Wind]

Guys, how about trying to stay on topic instead of rambling incoherently?

[Frequent_Flyer]

p-38 we are allowed to dream right?

Agreed, and the proper map to fly it on, preferable something with palm trees.

[Suicidal]

Would really like to see the P-39 and other lend lease aircraft from the US and Britain.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Would really like to see the P-39 and other lend lease aircraft from the US and Britain.

Anything with a " P " in front of the numbers is preferential.

[MrHyde]

perfekt plane 110 you mean this

[Gambit21]

Anything with a " P " in front of the numbers is preferential.

Don't hold your breath for a P80

[bivalov]

personally my choice, at this moment, for BOS and around EF'42-43:

 

i-16 (legendary soviet fighter of legendary russian/soviet designer, with not bad performance at end'42, moreover, plane was used in BOS)

 

yak (-1b of early series, or -7b with low gargrot, or -9 of early series incl. -9t of early series (good opponents for f-4/g-2, and just good, balanced fighters)

 

tomahawk (just love this plane, and because plane was used at EF incl. as fighter-bomber)

kittyhawk (son of tomahawk, better opponent for 109, and good fighter-bomber)

first models of p-39 (good opponent for 109, well, just L-L star of EF)

 

bf 109 e

bf 109 f-2 (light version of f-4, choice of jedi)

fw 190 f (more useful version of fw)

hs 129 (just love this german il-2)

 

userful/interesting bombers etc:

 

sb 2 m-100/103/105

tu-2 1942

su-2 (not bad attack plane)

li-2, armed version

il-2 field mod with UB

u-2, night bomber-version

 

hs 123

fi 156

 

as special real planes:

 

i-185 m-82/71 (masterpiece of best soviet/russian designer, and very good fighter)

fw 190 a-3/u7

 

just for game:

 

d.520

hawk-75

mustang with allison

fw 190 a-1/2

[Gambit21]

Yes, yes and yes.

A fully fleshed out early war plane set - epic.

P40's, I16's, Yaks and Mig3's - 109E.

 

Then starting feeding us early Pacific stuff.

[Frequent_Flyer]

perfekt plane 110 you mean this

What would be fun at least for the P-38 ,would be a battle of the twin engine fighters.

 

The 110 vs. P-38, except the 110 would need an escort

[Frequent_Flyer]

Don't hold your breath for a P80

I would settle for a P-61 !