What plane do you wish for?

[VikingFjord]

well for that storm we should make a new thread

[Johnny_Red]

Me 163, Me 262, Ta 152H and Dora.

 

And for VVS - P 40

Heh, give the Nazis jets and the soviets a p-40. German fanboy  

[Gambit21]

A combination of:

 

-Performance

-Maneuverability

-Weapons

-Range

-Design

-Generally known ability to kick ass

 

If not the P-51, then what I'd like to know???

Eh...no

Best long range escort of the war - that's the only definitive statement (correct anyway) that you can make.

[smink1701]

I don't mean best in every category ... but good or very good in most categories and clearly best in escort range. The 109 was an antique by 1944. It wasn't even as good as a Spitfire.

[IIN8II]

[LLv44_Mprhead]

The 109 was an antique by 1944. It wasn't even as good as a Spitfire.

 

This should bring about some comments...

[Georgio]

P39 bit of a widow maker but you can't beat that big gun for taking down bombers.

Mossie/110 would be nice as would the B25, maybe in a different expansion.

[6high]

How about the 110 for starters?

I mean having a Ta 152, Jets or even Drones *could* be fun, i would prefer having more classic planes first..

Edited June 20, 2014 by 6high

[Finkeren]

How about the 110 for starters?

I mean having a Ta 152, Jets or even Drones *could* be fun, i would prefer having more classic planes first..

I think the clue is in the title of the thread. People are talking about the planes they "wish" for, not the ones they want as the next release.

 

We're just dreaming.

[6high]

I think the clue is in the title of the thread. People are talking about the planes they "wish" for, not the ones they want as the next release.

 

We're just dreaming.

So am i... i`m just so darn bad at it, reality confllict..thats why.

Alright then, i will give it another try: HS129

[Tab]

VVS P-39, VVS Spitfire,  MiG-3, Bf-110 all of them with AFM would be awesome.

Yak-1b and La-5FN for multiplayer

[VikingFjord]

I don't mean best in every category ... but good or very good in most categories and clearly best in escort range. The 109 was an antique by 1944. It wasn't even as good as a Spitfire.

During this day i will make a new thread and post the claims in this thread so this thread can live on its intended life

[Matt]

Yak-9, Bf-110, P-39, Ju-88 for now.

 

If it will be possible to simulate exciting transport, recon missions etc., i wouldn't mind a Ju-52 or Fw-189 either.

[Finkeren]

Recon missions can be pretty exciting in RoF, I don't see why they couldn't be in BoS.

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

There can be only one...

[Finkeren]

I love the early P-40s. That air intake below the nose and the MGs on the cowling makes it look like an inbred, buck toothed crosseyed vampire

[BlitzPig_EL]

Some people have no taste I guess...

 

[Matt]

P-40 would be great too and i think the chances are pretty good for that plane.

Recon missions can be pretty exciting in RoF, I don't see why they couldn't be in BoS.

Well, there is no real recon plane in BoS yet, so who knows if they even planned to model that. Also the BoS map is more limited for recon than the RoF map imo.

[Finkeren]

Well, there is no real recon plane in BoS yet, so who knows if they even planned to model that. Also the BoS map is more limited for recon than the RoF map imo.

 

The Pe-2 flew plenty of recon missions, as did most single seat fighters.

 

In any case, the Whole reason it was brought up was because you suggested the Fw 189, which I think is a splendid idea, especially if it comes with a Po-2 on the side (oh how I would love a Po-2)

 

As for the Stalingrad Map being less suited for recon ops, I'm not really sure why you'd say that? Sure the planes fly faster and can cross the map quicker, but that goes for all kinds of missions. Otherwise I don't see the limitations.

[DB605]

Heh, give the Nazis jets and the soviets a p-40. German fanboy  

I know this is joke, but i hate when germans are stated as nazis and others just by their country. Why not say "give nazis jets and the communists p40" ? It's also annoying to see magazine title like "ww2 nazi plane found" instead of "ww2 german plane found". I've never seen title like "ww2 capitalist plane found"...

[Finkeren]

I think part of the reason for that is to distinguish Nazi-Germany from the Germany that existed before and after the period 1933-1945, because there is a tendency to want to view them as completely different entities.

 

Not going to go into a discussion of whether this is justified, but I don't think there is any malicious intent behind the tendency to refer to the Germans in WW2 as "the Nazis".

[DB605]

Maybe part of the reason. Another may be because titles with "nazi" word will sell better. Annoying to me anyways. No planes or vehicles are nazis, communist or capitalists...

[FlatSpinMan]

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that "P-51 - best fighter of the war" comment. I know you weren't fishing or anything, but, as you can see, that is 'the comment that launched a thousand flame wars'. It's a nice plane, btw.

 

About the Nazis comment, I don't think anything was meant by it. I do see your point, but it's honestly still a fairly common reference for German armed forces in WW2.

[Finkeren]

Maybe part of the reason. Another may be because titles with "nazi" word will sell better. Annoying to me anyways. No planes or vehicles are nazis, communist or capitalists...

 

Agree on both points.

[DrDag]

P-47

Fockewulf 190 A's and D's

Typhoon

Tempest

JU 88

Mosquito

B-17

Lancaster

HE-177

FW-200 Condor

Me 262

 

I maybe should stop here, but in short, I want them all

 

cheers,

Dag

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

For the game: I-16!

 

For real life MC 72!

 

Got to hand it to the Italians, they knew how to make good looking machines!

[Finkeren]

Got to hand it to the Italians, they knew how to make good looking machines!

 

They sure did. Once...

 

[DD_bongodriver]

did somebody smash a car into the back of a ducks face?

[FlatSpinMan]

That really is a very ugly vehicle. I don't give a... I don't care at all about cars, but that one is astoundingly ugly. How does that get made? All those steps, discussions, presentations, prototypes, and no-one was brave enough to say, "Actualy, you know what,..."

 

 

What is the perceived advantage of the split level windscreen/bonnet area? It can't be purely for the aesthetics.

[6high]

They sure did. Once...

 

Oh my that one...every time i see one of those (far too often) i wonder about the kind of people actually spending money for it....then again i cannot get myself to look close and find out because it`s so ugly.

Surely proof for the statement about beauty being in the eye of the observer...

[Finkeren]

Aesthetics cannot have played any role in the design process of the Fiat Multipla what so ever. It's simply not posible.

 

I mean: it's uglier than Walter White's Pontiac Aztek, and you can't get much uglier than that.

 

Edited June 20, 2014 by Finkeren

[6high]

 brave enough to say, "Actualy, you know what,..."

 

 

I thnik a lot went wrong in that process....

[Tab]

Heh, give the Nazis jets and the soviets a p-40. German fanboy  

 

I know this is joke, but i hate when germans are stated as nazis and others just by their country. Why not say "give nazis jets and the communists p40" ? It's also annoying to see magazine title like "ww2 nazi plane found" instead of "ww2 german plane found". I've never seen title like "ww2 capitalist plane found"...

well strictly speaking "soviet" implies communistic socialistic state and is a politically-loaded term as well. An equivalent of German would be, surprisingly, "Russian", not soviet. But everybody says "soviet" anyway, as opposed to the modern post-1991 Russia. Just wanted to point this it out, because it seems you are protesting against "nazi" only but not against "soviet"

[Finkeren]

well strictly speaking "soviet" implies communistic socialistic state and is a politically-loaded term as well. An equivalent of German would be, surprisingly, "Russian", not soviet. But everybody says "soviet" anyway, as opposed to the modern post-1991 Russia. Just wanted to point this it out, because it seems you are protesting against "nazi" only but not against "soviet"

 

Strictly speaking, "Soviet" implies a citizen of the U.S.S.R. Not every Soviet citizen was Russian, far from it. 

 

But this is just me being pedantic.

[sallee]

That really is a very ugly vehicle. I don't give a... I don't care at all about cars, but that one is astoundingly ugly. How does that get made? All those steps, discussions, presentations, prototypes, and no-one was brave enough to say, "Actualy, you know what,..."

 

 

What is the perceived advantage of the split level windscreen/bonnet area? It can't be purely for the aesthetics.

Do they still have window tax in Italy? Perhaps it's partly walled up to save money. The top bit looks like an escape pod.

[Volkoff]

Based on what?

Gunther Rall would suggest substantially the same thing, Viking. Rall trained 109 pilots to fight the P-51, while flying a captured example. Rall stated that the P-51 was best, when asked to compare all the fighters he had the opportunity to fly. Some persons seem to love to throw out the idea that the Mustang was somewhat inferior to Axis piston fighters and won through shear numbers. Rall does not seem to share this view and he was one of the most accomplished By-109 air aces. You can quote whatever facts and figures you wish. All the academic arguments in the World didn't sway Rall' s mind.

Edited June 20, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[LLv44_Mprhead]

well strictly speaking "soviet" implies communistic socialistic state and is a politically-loaded term as well. An equivalent of German would be, surprisingly, "Russian", not soviet. But everybody says "soviet" anyway, as opposed to the modern post-1991 Russia. Just wanted to point this it out, because it seems you are protesting against "nazi" only but not against "soviet"

 

Strictly speaking, "Soviet" implies a citizen of the U.S.S.R. Not every Soviet citizen was Russian, far from it. 

 

But this is just me being pedantic.

 

Finkeren is absolutely right here. And "nazi" refers to member or supporter of National Socialist (German) Worker's party, not citizen of Germany. And while many of the Germans were also nazis, not all of them were and it's not correct to use the term as a synonym of German. You know, nazis never did get more than 44% of vote in elections

[Matt]

They sure did. Once...

 

I think they tried to make it extra compact and then forgot that they would need some room for the engine and just pulled very strongly on the front of the car until it fit.

 

Fortunately they are not very common anymore, but most of the time i saw it, the car and driver were a pretty good fit.

 

 

As for the political correctness discussion, i'm pretty sure no plane in the world will complain if it gets called Nazi or Soviet or fascist or whatever. As long as the person doesn't get called like that, it's a non-issue for me.

Edited June 20, 2014 by Matt

[Finkeren]

I think this was the model for the front end design of the multipla:

 

[smink1701]

 

Gunther Rall would suggest substantially the same thing, Viking. Rall trained 109 pilots to fight the P-51, while flying a captured example. Rall stated that the P-51 was best, when asked to compare all the fighters he had the opportunity to fly. Some persons seem to love to throw out the idea that the Mustang was somewhat inferior to Axis piston fighters and won through shear numbers. Rall does not seem to share this view and he was one of the most accomplished By-109 air aces. You can quote whatever facts and figures you wish. All the academic arguments in the World didn't sway Rall' s mind.

 

Finally ... the voice of reason!!!