Turret Revolve and Gun Elevate/Depress Commands

[leitmotiv]

Hello people, I am an old flight and tank simmer. I have everything set up but the commands for turret revolve and gun elevate/depress. I was having no trouble with these, but I experimented with some other keys, and all has gone very sideways. Now I cannot get get the turret to revolve, or the gun to elevate, and depress. I saw something about a gun lock. I thought this was the problem (I assumed “Set/Retract Supports” was the gun lock).Can you help me? I, as usual with tank sims, am using just my keyboard. I do know that the engine has to be running to use the turret controls. 

[DD_Crash]

Hello, have a look in the station notes when you are in the tank. It gives default key binds and stuff. I remember your name from the UBI zoo

[leitmotiv]

I am reinstalling. Had no luck with the other options. 

 

Good you are still around DD_Crash! 

[leitmotiv]

OK, I erased and reinstalled. No joy. I cannot turn the  turret or elevate the gun. I cannot shoot main gun or coaxial machine gun. All other commands work.  

 

Surely somebody must know a solution for these problems?! This is crazy.

[moustache]

can you unlock the cannon?

in your settings, is the mouse control assigned to the mouse and not to the joystick?

can you control the turret from the keyboard?

 

if none of that works, i think all you have to do is do a "bug report", sorry ...

[leitmotiv]

Yes, the mouse control is assigned to the mouse, no trouble here. No, nothing has made the turret turn or the barrel move. Is the barrel lock “Set/Retract Supports”? If so, I have released the barrel. 

 

I submitted a bug report. The only reply I received was to not try to move the turret if I am in the driver’s position. I replied I was definitely in the gunner’s position. After this, nothing. Am I to assume that this is all that’s going to be done, and I paid for a useless game? This is not good. 

[DD_Crash]

In my view a lot if not most of the control names are confusing, no doubt Russian to English google translate

[moustache]

59 minutes ago, leitmotiv said:

Is the barrel lock “Set/Retract Supports”? If so, I have released the barrel. 

 no, isn't this... not sure, but if i remember, it's near "nestle visor"... the default key is "T", i think

[leitmotiv]

Well, heh heh, guys, I resorted to the old simmers last resort. I started pushing every key on the board, and, when I hit “T,” my gun barrel jumped, and this came up on the screen “Hydraulic Turret Actuator”—EUREKA. Now default “T” on the key mapping chart shows “Machinegun take/leave control”. &#@!!!!!!!
 

Moustache, your recollection is superb! Thank you, nice to know I would have had the right answer if my key hunt had failed.

 

So, “T” actually turns on the hydraulics for the turret. Make sure all noobs have this burned into their brains! 

 

My career as a tank cracker has begun! 

[moustache]

glad I was able to help, don't worry, you should find a lot of help on the forum from other players.

 

quick question: the image you posted seems to have an effect ... is it an in-game effect (mod, graphic modification ...) or just the image?

[leitmotiv]

What you are seeing is a completely unmodified, default periscopic sight view from the gunner’s position of the M4A2 firing armor-piercing shell at two hapless StuG IIIs. P.S. There is no boasting here, both presented themselves as targets as perfectly as one could imagine: sides exposed to my hidden tank, as doomed as Dodo birds, and I had opted for maximum difficulty! 

 

P.P.S. I received notification from 1C that a manual for Tank Crew is incoming. Wonderful! 

 

 

So far I am mightily impressed by TC. Kursk was a fascinating battle. I am glad to have a Sherman even though it was the M3 Lee that was at Kursk, and there were only five monster SU-152s in the battle. There were a number of Churchill tanks in the battle, but, heh, the Churchill was boring, and the Lee was gun fodder by 1943. In fact, everything the Sovs had was gun fodder at Kursk, except for the massive SU-152 (and, yes, the SU-122, of which there were a number in the battle, could blow a Tiger’s turret off its hull). The myth of heroic T-34s destroying scads of SS tanks has been dispelled by the Russian Kursk battlefield historian in his history of the battle. Where the Sovs got theirs was at Orel and south of Kursk where they exploded into the thin German line. This was the beginning of five months of driving the Germans west, and an end to their dream of conquest. 

Edited June 11, 2021 by leitmotiv

[Dakpilot]

In a couple of books I have read, OOB shows a Sherman regiment was in Kursk area at time of battle, sorry but have forgotten which books ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

[leitmotiv]

See “The Battle of Kursk” by Glantz and House

 

https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Kursk-David-M-Glantz/dp/0700613358/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=the+battle+of+kursk+glantz&qid=1623462592&sr=8-1

 

for a complete tank order of battle for the Red Army at Kursk. They had M3 Lees, not Shermans, at this time. The Churchill was also at Kursk. The lack of Shermans was probably due to all Sherman production going to the Americans and British. It was a new tank at the time (introduced at El Alamein in October 1942). David Glantz is acknowledged east and west as one of the great scholars of the Red Army. I don’t begrudge the Sherman being in the sim. A historical choice would have been the T-70 light tank which was still paired with the T-34 in tank regiments, and, in fact, all T-34 attacks should have approximately an equal number of T-70s. This is one reason why T-34s with the 76mm gun got hammered in 1943. The T-70 had only a 45mm gun. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-70

 

 

[Dakpilot]

Had to dig out 'Comrade Emcha' Red Army Shermans of WW2: Claude Gillono and Leife Hulbert

 

(Emcha = Russian slang for M 4)

 

it suggests the 229th Separated Tank regiment having 38 M4A2 at Kursk, mentioned in official correspondence as part of Central Front 1943 (but no more info than that)

 

Can't remember the other mention/Confirmation of that unit but it was just a small reference to Soviet military docs as above. 

 

M4 Lend lease started with 32 units in Nov 42 and records show 300+ delivered/accepted in 43 but does not give individual dates 

 

 

It is widely reported that no Shermans were at Prokarovka but the above info does give a little credence to the possible use in the Kursk area at the time, there was a long build up to the battle and they had to trialed/Introduced somewhere. 

 

Probably comes into the what if category but they were definitely in use in the time period if not in combat or part of the main battle 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[[SN]_Reaper_]

37 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

it suggests the 229th Separated Tank regiment having 38 M4A2 at Kursk, mentioned in official correspondence as part of Central Front 1943 (but no more info than that)

 

It is widely reported that no Shermans were at Prokarovka but the above info does give a little credence to the possible use in the Kursk area at the time, there was a long build up to the battle and they had to trialed/Introduced somewhere. 

 

Probably comes into the what if category but they were definitely in use in the time period if not in combat or part of the main battle 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

Quite right. Shermans were used on the northern face of the Kursk Bulge, in the area of Maloarkhangelsk. They fought against 41 Panzer Corps.

Scheme of the German offensive on the northern face of the Kursk Bulge.

The 229th separate tank regiment was destined to collide with units of the XLI German Panzer Corps in the Maloarkhangelsk area.

 

Spoiler

One of the first units to receive new American tanks was the 229th Separate Tank Regiment (otp). The first 31 tanks of this type hit the unit by April 10, 1943, and by early July the number of serviceable M4A2s had grown to 38. July 1943, the regiment met as part of the 48th Army. On July 1, the regiment was listed in the reserve, located in the village of Perehozhee. The regiment was commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Merkulov, the chief of staff was Major Bogatyryov.

 

By July 5, 1943, the regiment was in the Kazakovka area. By the beginning of the defensive phase of the Battle of Kursk, the regiment had 1.2 fuel and lubricants, three ammunition for M4A2 and 4 daily food rations. The Shermans were lucky, as the spearhead of the first German attack went far to the west.

However, it didn't work out for a long time. Quite quickly, it was decided to pull up reserves to repel a German attack on Ponyri. The commander of the 48th Army ordered to pull up the 229th battalion closer to the front. By night march, the regiment arrived at a new location in the Ivanovka area (20 km north-east of Maloarkhangelsk) by 04:00 on July 7.

Nevertheless, the M4A2 tanks did not have a chance to fight as part of the 48th Army. On July 9, the commander of the Central Front ordered the transfer of the 229th brigade to the 13th Army, which was in the path of the German XLI Panzer Corps. By 03:00 on July 10, the regiment concentrated in the Leski area (6 km southeast of Maloarkhangelsk), having entered the order of the commander of the 15th rifle corps (sk). He ordered the defense of the Tinyakovsky state farm in the zone of the 74th rifle division (SD). By July 11, the regiment reported that it had 39 tanks in service.

 

The enemy continued to advance. At 10:00 on July 11, the regiment received an order to capture the line, height 255.6 - height 238.6 - Trosna on the right flank of the 74th SD and hold out until the arrival of the infantry. The attack was carried out not only without infantry cover, but also without reconnaissance or reconnaissance. The result was predictable: on reaching altitude 255.6, the first company of the regiment was shelled from altitude 248.8 and lost three tanks burned out. The company continued its offensive, but got involved in a battle with 15 German tanks and infantry up to two battalions in the eastern vicinity of Protasovo. 10 tanks managed to break through the defenses and reach the southern slope of height 255.6.

The second company was supposed to support the first, but was late for the battle and could not do this. Fortunately, the third company arrived in the area of height 260.3, from where it was able to cover the retreat of the first company in the direction of Vavilonovka with fire. By this time, the second company had arrived, but its fire was ineffective. The third company was also fired upon by the enemy and was forced to hide behind the height. At 19:00, by order of the chief of staff of the 15th air force, the third and fourth companies swiftly attacked height 255.6. The chief of staff not only threw tanks forward, but was able to achieve coordinated actions of tanks and infantry. As a result, the Shermans successfully took the height, and the infantry was able to approach and gain a foothold at the line.

 

The next day, the enemy broke through to the village of Grinievka. The 229th rifle regiment, together with the 78th rifle regiment (cn), of the 74th rifle division, received an order to knock the enemy out of the village. A second company of the tank regiment was assigned to support the infantry. The company entered the area of the northern outskirts, but was fired upon from the direction of Protasovo and was forced to withdraw. They did not repeat the attack. On the night of July 13, all the companies of the regiment left for the western outskirts of the village of Vavilonovka. In two days of fighting, 8 tanks in the regiment burned down, 11 more were knocked out. The loss of personnel was 15 people killed and 13 wounded. The commander of the armored personnel carrier of the Central Front blamed the failure on the headquarters of the 229th brigade, which was unable to coordinate actions not only with the infantry and artillery, but also between their own companies.

 

Claims for success even in this state of affairs turned out to be not too modest: the regiment knocked out 6 enemy tanks and self-propelled guns, destroyed 5 anti-tank guns, 8 machine guns, 2 mortar batteries, as well as up to 350 soldiers and officers.

 

Note: this is Google translation of the Russian-language text, there may be inaccuracies ?

 

[leitmotiv]

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I am glad they included a Sherman, but a T-70 is needed for the 1943 T-34 regiments. 

[jollyjack]

On 6/10/2021 at 6:05 PM, leitmotiv said:

.... My career as a tank cracker has begun! 

 

Looks like the gun targeting view from a Sherman ... are there any other similar views with more of the surroundings visible,

as with the GAZ truck and i think some Russian tanks?

[Peasant]

I'm not sure that would be a good idea. In 1943 T-70 was barely able to have a fighting chance against Pz.IIIs and other obsolete tanks like Somua S35 and Pz.38(t), even assuming he had unlimited supply of subcaliber shells. Even soviets understood that, by relegating T-70 to reserve units and secondary fronts, replacing it with T-34 in most front line units. 

Edited July 26, 2021 by Peasant