dbzero Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 Unfortunately it goes far beyond just money printing. The bond and debt markets are also being monetized. There are reports of some PHD with influence within the powers that he who is pushing something called Modern Monetary Theory which basically states government shouldn’t worry about deficits because it controls the money supply and can just print more money... Well look at the bright side...wheelbarrows are still affordable. You’ll have something to put all your money into when you go and buy your next GPU.
Jaws2002 Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeastyBaiter said: We're seeing three things going on, inflation, shutdowns of industries and transportation issues. Inflation is the easy one, 70% of all US dollars were created in the past year (or so I keep hearing). So, all things being equal, prices should increase by around 140% once it all settles out (e.g $100,000 house a year ago is now $240,000). Not all things are equal though, so it's hard to say how it will work out exactly. The shortages are due to a mix of product backlogs due to the shutdowns and transportation issues resulting from the same. A spike in demand for home office type stuff doesn't help (lumber for furniture and bigger homes, electronics, etc). After all that, you throw in a crypto boom eating up every GPU the miners can possibly get a hold of and the result is a terrible situation for PC gamers. The problem isn't limited to just us, as noted. Housing, lumber, cars and everything else are being impacted. It will be some time before things settle down, I do expect the price of everything to more or less double over the next few years. I don't think there is any avoiding that given governmental irresponsibility on a global scale. I had hoped to pick up a 6800XT or 3080 at some point, but I think we'll all have to wait for the next generation. This one will be out of stock till the next batch are released, hopefully things stabilize by then and you can grab a new card for a reasonable price or a used crypto one dirt cheap. Absolutely agree with you on all counts. The shock this lockdowns created didn't even hit us full force yet, but it's at the door. Anyway. Back to graphics cards. Here in Canada I see AMD cards start to show up at Canada Computers. There's an MSI 6800xt in stock, and when I looked last time, about a hour ago, there were a handful of 6700xt cards also available. Hope things get a bit better soon. I got in the waiting list for an EVGA 3080ti, bit I missed the "elite" 24 hrs early sale, so I have a full day of pre-orders ahead of me. So far they delivered about 10 minutes worth of pre-orders in over a week. If things don't move a bit faster I may jump on a 6900xt and call it a day. 6800xt link https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=186526 And a bunch of 6700xts. https://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?cPath=43&sf=:3_32&mfr=&pr= These are in store only, but still, u didn't see so many cards in stock in a long time. Edited June 11, 2021 by Jaws2002
JumpnShootman Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/11/2021 at 3:52 PM, dbzero said: Unfortunately it goes far beyond just money printing. The bond and debt markets are also being monetized. There are reports of some PHD with influence within the powers that he who is pushing something called Modern Monetary Theory which basically states government shouldn’t worry about deficits because it controls the money supply and can just print more money... Well look at the bright side...wheelbarrows are still affordable. You’ll have something to put all your money into when you go and buy your next GPU. almost like there was a book written about this about 150 years ago, something about the final stages, "late stages" as you might say, of Capitalism. It was always headed this direction, its just that we've finally run out of gas.
Gambit21 Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 What we’re seeing is the early stages of different “ism” 1 1
dbzero Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 I just watched a video. Apparently Nvidia is going to raise prices if so guess it’s a never let a good shortage get in the way of pricing. Might be a time to look at buying Nvidia stock.
TheSNAFU Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 11 hours ago, dbzero said: I just watched a video. Apparently Nvidia is going to raise prices if so guess it’s a never let a good shortage get in the way of pricing. Might be a time to look at buying Nvidia stock. Yeah cause they’re not already making a fortune on cards like the 3080ti in which they give us 5-10% more performance for 30-40% more price. Nvidia has become a hostile company to their customers particularly those of us who just want to game. Scoundrels!
Voyager Posted June 16, 2021 Posted June 16, 2021 14 hours ago, dbzero said: I just watched a video. Apparently Nvidia is going to raise prices if so guess it’s a never let a good shortage get in the way of pricing. Might be a time to look at buying Nvidia stock. Honestly, with cards going for 2-3 times retail due to scalping, if nVidia and AMD are able to take a bite out of that and increase supply, I'm not that bothered. Is a $1200 3080 Ti a bad buy if the only 3080 plains available are $1800?
dbzero Posted June 17, 2021 Posted June 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Voyager said: Honestly, with cards going for 2-3 times retail due to scalping, if nVidia and AMD are able to take a bite out of that and increase supply, I'm not that bothered. Is a $1200 3080 Ti a bad buy if the only 3080 plains available are $1800? From the sound of the video I watched the intention of Nvidia was they saw what people were willing to pay on the secondary market and decided they could go ahead and boost prices. It will be interesting to see how that will or will not affect the secondary market. Crypto prices seem to have stabilized after a drop so not sure what effect that might have. I paid about $925 for my 3080, but that was in a pre-built system. I would not have been able to find a 3080 easily if at all if I tried to get just the video card alone. I will confess I could not resist the temptation to re-sell my old RTX 2080 card. I got a great deal as I knew the store manager and bough it for a little over $500 a couple of years ago. I listed it last night for $600 and got an offer to buy immediately for $700. I'll put it towards a nice gold coin to hedge against inflation. 1
Dutchvdm Posted June 17, 2021 Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Yesterday i decided to stop waiting and ordered my new rig. Prices where coming down quite a bit (In the Netherlands at least) and in the grant scheme of things those last couple of hundred euro's weren't going to make the difference anymore. This is the result: - Corsair 4000D - Asus b550 Strix-e - Ryzen 7 5800x (Dark Rock 4) - 32 gb Hyperx fury black (3200) - Samsung 980 M2 (1 TB) ( Going to put an extra 2 tb 870 evo in later) - Asus RTX 3070 TUF gaming OC I really wanted an 3080, but at the end of the day for 1440p it's not going to make a difference. My biggest gripe was that my current base system was just too old. It was really showing it's age. I wanted a newer system more than i wanted to best GPU. It seems to me that regarding the GPU prices the worst is over, but some also say the prices may go up again after the summer period. Grt M Edited June 17, 2021 by I./ZG1_Dutchvdm 1
Jaws2002 Posted June 17, 2021 Posted June 17, 2021 6 hours ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said: It seems to me that regarding the GPU prices the worst is over, but some also say the prices may go up again after the summer period. 3080 and 3080Ti are still nonexistent outside scalpers realm, but i see AMD cards popping up everywhere. I see lots of 6700xt, a few 6800xt's and even the 6900xt starts to show up in stores. If the developers of this game weren't ignoring the AMD cards and users so bad, I would have bought a 6900XT already. What keeps me from buying is the bug in this game that's not only crippling the Graphics performance of AMD cards, but it's also robbing a lot of CPU performance in rigs with AMD cards. This AMD generation was launched seven months ago and the devs didn't even bother to test them yet. 2
dbzero Posted June 17, 2021 Posted June 17, 2021 Had no idea of the issue with the AMD cards. Good thing I cancelled the original order I placed for a pre-built rig as I ordered a 6900XT card. Decided waiting 4 weeks for a 3080 paid off and I actually ended up waiting just 2 weeks. The person who offered $700 for my used RTX 2080 card backed out as he bought another one before I could get back to him. Someone quickly offered $800 so I guess that tells you the current state of affairs. I think if you want a 3080 at less than inflated price you're going to have to go the pre-build route for the time being. NVIDIA knows it has something it can sell at an inflated price and I get a sense the scalpers will pay the inflated price and still be able to resell on the secondary market at a profit. My sense is this-I've been active in investing for decades and have recently seen legions of younger people who are tech savy range making boatloads of money in cryptos and meme stocks. That combined with stimulus payments and the fact many still live at home and are for the most part frugal when it comes to living expenses are going to be willing to pay for the things they want and like. The PC gaming industry has seen a huge resurgence in recent years. Streaming is huge and many of the meme stock and crypto content providers are active online and having a killer PC rig is a status symbol and you can be sure many followers are going to want to emulate. When you gamma short squeeze a meme stock or catch a crypto run and make 500-1000% in no time then forking out inflated prices for something like a graphics card is chump change. Then you have other factors in play-crypto mining and the mentioned disruptions in the production and supply chain. Right now the container shipping industry is in disarray. Many ships are not in the right place and moving them and sorting out the mess is going to take weeks if not months. 1
Dutchvdm Posted June 18, 2021 Posted June 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Jaws2002 said: 3080 and 3080Ti are still nonexistent outside scalpers realm, but i see AMD cards popping up everywhere. I see lots of 6700xt, a few 6800xt's and even the 6900xt starts to show up in stores. If the developers of this game weren't ignoring the AMD cards and users so bad, I would have bought a 6900XT already. What keeps me from buying is the bug in this game that's not only crippling the Graphics performance of AMD cards, but it's also robbing a lot of CPU performance in rigs with AMD cards. This AMD generation was launched seven months ago and the devs didn't even bother to test them yet. I was considering the 6800 and 6800xt as well, but then i remembered that i have a monitor with hardware g-sync. And that a feature that you're probably going to appreciate when you don't have it anymore. And i love the monitor to much to replace it already (Bought it somewhere late 2018). To bad that performance in Il-2 is lagging because everywhere else they seem to do fine. Grt M 1
Gambit21 Posted June 23, 2021 Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 11:38 AM, Jaws2002 said: 3080 and 3080Ti are still nonexistent outside scalpers realm, but i see AMD cards popping up everywhere. I see lots of 6700xt, a few 6800xt's and even the 6900xt starts to show up in stores. If the developers of this game weren't ignoring the AMD cards and users so bad, I would have bought a 6900XT already. What keeps me from buying is the bug in this game that's not only crippling the Graphics performance of AMD cards, but it's also robbing a lot of CPU performance in rigs with AMD cards. When you hit time accell in DCS, and the time actually accellerates - and I mean ACTUAL 8x and beyond, not to mention your CPU fan starts screaming because DCS is actually utilizing your CPU properly...well I’ll just leave it at that. 5800x
dbzero Posted June 23, 2021 Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) On 6/18/2021 at 1:17 AM, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said: I was considering the 6800 and 6800xt as well, but then i remembered that i have a monitor with hardware g-sync. And that a feature that you're probably going to appreciate when you don't have it anymore. And i love the monitor to much to replace it already (Bought it somewhere late 2018). To bad that performance in Il-2 is lagging because everywhere else they seem to do fine. Grt M A few years ago when I bought my LG 34GN850 34 inch monitor I originally had one that said AMD compatible on the box. I noticed it at the register and said to cashier I have a NVIDIA RTX 2080 graphics card. He told me there is another LG 34GN850 that is fully NVIDIA compatible. I said I wanted it. When I saw him ring it up I noticed it was $250 more expensive than the one that said AMD compatible. I said hey this is mis-priced its $250 more and its the exact same model. Cashier then told me that NVIDIA licenses the technology in the monitor so its more expensive....bastards. My new LG monitor is also g-sync compatible. Don't know if the NVIDIA license fee was built into the $999 price tag. Edited June 23, 2021 by dbzero
ATAG_SKUD Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 I just picked up a 3080Ti by getting a lucky draw on the Newegg shuffle. I am getting 105 FPS in BoX in 4K. The GPU usage is limiting factor being pretty much pinned at 95-99%. Temps never get above 80 C on this MSI Gaming Trio with a big fat air cooler. No over clocking- yet. Actually, I was expecting more. My 8 year old Titan Xp was giving me 60 FPS at 4k and after I modified the Titan with an Arctic air cooler the temps were sustainable. Perhaps something in the rest of my system is holding it back. I've been unable to run XMP profile without breaking the machine. Even after replacing 2 sticks of bad RAM. skud 1
Gambit21 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 7:32 PM, ATAG_SKUD said: I just picked up a 3080Ti by getting a lucky draw on the Newegg shuffle. I am getting 105 FPS in BoX in 4K. The GPU usage is limiting factor being pretty much pinned at 95-99%. Temps never get above 80 C on this MSI Gaming Trio with a big fat air cooler. No over clocking- yet. Actually, I was expecting more. My 8 year old Titan Xp was giving me 60 FPS at 4k and after I modified the Titan with an Arctic air cooler the temps were sustainable. Perhaps something in the rest of my system is holding it back. I've been unable to run XMP profile without breaking the machine. Even after replacing 2 sticks of bad RAM. skud First - GPU usage is a problem when it’s lower than 95-99%, which was the case forever. Second - the engine itself is not very well optimized either from a GPU or CPU standpoint - CPU probably being the biggest problem. Third - steady 60fps at 4K is great, anything over that is icing. Heck your eyes don’t even do 105fps in real life. I’d be more than happy with that. DCS runs much better overal, and my 1080 runs it quite well - so not wasting $$$ on the 1080 - going 1070.
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