RTX 3080 Ti reviews starting to appear

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

With the release, for sale/ ordering, of the 3080 Ti only about 10 hours away reviews are starting to appear.

For most 4K games looks like it is very close to the RTX 3090 for framerates etc. 

 

One significant deviation being MSFS 2020 where the 3090 still enjoys a useful 10% advantage over the 3080 Ti in fps at 4K. Wonder if MSFS is able to utilise more than the 12 Gb of RAM  that the 3080 Ti is fiited with. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2021/06/02/nvidia-rtx-3080-ti-vs-rtx-3080-rtx-3090-and-rx-6900-xt-which-should-you-buy/?sh=6440b9db2219

 

Happy hunting to those still wanting to do a GPU upgrade. Hope you are successful, this time around and that the price gouge is not too extreme.

[Jaws2002]

Gamer's nexus did a nice number on it. ?

 

 

11 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Hope  this time around and that the price gouge is not too extreme.  

Too late. ?  The MSRP for the basic model is $1200 USD.

[DD_Crash]

If you can find anywhere that has any......

[Jaws2002]

All the online reseller's websites are clogged with bots. I couldn't even get into EVGA today.

 

EVGA website:  ?

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by Jaws2002

[RedKestrel]

Computer hardware is just going to be completely F***** for years. High end hardware has always been a bit of a rich person's game but these prices are basically putting normal PC gaming out of reach. 

A year ago I got a 1660 Super for 250 bucks. The same one is going for, I shit you not, a thousand dollars on Newegg. If my card dies my only choice is to go back to my crappy 1080p monitor and GTX1060 3GB.

If these are going for 1200 dollars I don't expect to see them available for less than 3K. 

[Jaws2002]

5 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Computer hardware is just going to be completely F***** for years. High end hardware has always been a bit of a rich person's game but these prices are basically putting normal PC gaming out of reach. 

 

 

 

I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's not only computer hardware. Have you seen the price of lumber this days?  The cheapest 2x4 at home depot here in Canada is $10, and most sell for around $15-$20, with maximum limit.   I mean, we are talking about Canada, the country with the second largest forests and lowest population density on the planet. Lumber stock at mills is full, but nothing is moving.

 

There's no excuse for this to happen in Canada, unless there's some larger plan in play here. 

 

Meat products are going through the roof as well. Conveniently blamed on "Russian hackers".

 

I think there's a push to eliminate the middle class, by creating fake shortages and pricing everyone out of the markets. 

[RedKestrel]

3 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's not only computer hardware. Have you seen the price of lumber this days?  The cheapest 2x4 at home depot here in Canada is $10, and most sell for around $15-$20, with maximum limit.   I mean, we are talking about Canada, the country with the second largest forests and lowest population density on the planet. Lumber stock at mills is full, but nothing is moving.

 

There's no excuse for this to happen in Canada, unless there's some larger plan in play here. 

 

Meat products are going through the roof as well. Conveniently blamed on "Russian hackers".

 

I think there's a push to eliminate the middle class, by creating fake shortages and pricing everyone out of the markets. 

Eh, I think its more like there have been actual shortages, and producers/distributors realized they could gouge people and blame the shortages even after the shortages are gone. No conspiracy necessary. Just garden variety greed.

[Confused_2018]

I saw the Greg Salazar yt video about the ebay auction for 72 3060 gpu.   How could that be in this day and age?

[dbzero]

I checked prices on RTX 2080s and the one I have is more expensive now then when I bought it. GPUs are in demand. There is a microchip shortage and the crypto miners have been gobbling up supply.

 

Its not just GPU's, high end gaming monitors can go out of stock fast as well as components to build PC's.

 

I resorted to buying a pre-built system and because I wanted a RTX 3080, there was a 4 week delay. The companies that do pre-build system are apparently getting first dibs on supply.

 

There are a number of factors in play. The global supply chain has moved to "just in time" supply and inventory and the sudden spike in demand has caught many off guard. Same with the distribution channel. Going to take time to ramp up production and get the distribution channels back up to speed.

 

There is also going to be inflation. Basic components to make things have been spiking up in price. You also have a lot of money sloshing around in the system and people are now buying up stuff after holding back.

 

Tons of speculation in the stock and equities markets and here in the states a lot of people who tend to be technology literate are day trading and buying up things like computers and other electronics with profits.

 

 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Just checked now, here in Australia, and some some of the lesser known brands are still available at retail if you want to stump a mere $3400 AUD

 

So, as mentioned by some other posters, the price gouging continues.

[chiliwili69]

Aparently this ia affecting GPUs but not CPUs, here the 5600X for 299€:

https://www.pccomponentes.com/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-37ghz

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

My older cheeky towngirl the RTX 3090 FE says she's still valuable. She could lift ultra-high VR 6K resolutions like no other, keeps a cool head in any situation, doesn't scream too loud when loaded, says she could mine like more bullishly than this sleek citygirl, and says cards with curves were also fine. Sounds like she's begging to stay.

[Vortice]

Looks like me and my 2070 Super are now settling down to a really long-term relationship. Much longer than I had ever imagined when I bought it last year.

 

But it's OK, it runs Il-2 in VR adequately, if not spectacularly and there's no way on earth that I'm going to hand over stupid amounts of money for anything else in the foreseeable future.

 

The world has gone completely mad. 

[No_85_Gramps]

I think the Newegg Shuffle has a few 3080ti's up for their lottery. Basically, you check off the items you are interested in, and later on you get notified if you were selected to purchase one. I think there are a couple of 3070's today also. Probably a million to one odds of getting lucky.

[unlikely_spider]

49 minutes ago, No_85_Gramps said:

I think the Newegg Shuffle has a few 3080ti's up for their lottery. Basically, you check off the items you are interested in, and later on you get notified if you were selected to purchase one. I think there are a couple of 3070's today also. Probably a million to one odds of getting lucky.

And also the added step of creating the Craigslist ad for the unneeded PSU, motherboard, or monitor that you also had to purchase

[dbzero]

I don't think it price gouging on the part of most retailers, its demand outstripping supply and the manufacturing and supply chains not being able to keep up at the moment. Here in the states some new cars are actually being sold with old analog instruments due to the shortage of computer chips. The microchip manufacturing process is a long one that can't be turned on a dime to increase production quickly.

 

This whole shutdown will probably make business rethink the just in time system and they may decide to increase warehouses and stockpiling instead of the lean and mean mentality.

 

Hopefully governments will take note and think about key strategic industries and not depend on one source that is potentially unfriendly.

 

On an individual level gouging is taking place.

 

Regardless, I think inflation has already taken hold and you can expect to pay more for components even when things get back to normal. I just read the US Federal Reserve now holds more US bonds and debt than all foreign nations combined. I remember a time when US interest rates were double digits. The thought of zero to negative rates was unthinkable.

 

Crazy times.

Edited June 4, 2021 by dbzero

[No_85_Gramps]

1 hour ago, unlikely_spider said:

And also the added step of creating the Craigslist ad for the unneeded PSU, motherboard, or monitor that you also had to purchase

I only check the ones for specific cards.

[Voyager]

On 6/3/2021 at 10:09 AM, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's not only computer hardware. Have you seen the price of lumber this days?  The cheapest 2x4 at home depot here in Canada is $10, and most sell for around $15-$20, with maximum limit.   I mean, we are talking about Canada, the country with the second largest forests and lowest population density on the planet. Lumber stock at mills is full, but nothing is moving.

 

There's no excuse for this to happen in Canada, unless there's some larger plan in play here. 

 

Meat products are going through the roof as well. Conveniently blamed on "Russian hackers".

 

I think there's a push to eliminate the middle class, by creating fake shortages and pricing everyone out of the markets. 

 

On 6/3/2021 at 10:14 AM, RedKestrel said:

Eh, I think its more like there have been actual shortages, and producers/distributors realized they could gouge people and blame the shortages even after the shortages are gone. No conspiracy necessary. Just garden variety greed.

 

My understanding is those areas are still heavily locked down so they can't process the available lumber. 

 

Combined with a major internal migration going on in the US, and the money spigot set to deluge, and were seeing inflation, extreme demand, and an extreme supply crunch all at the same time.

 

On the hardware side, I wanted a 3080 TI for my VR rig so I could max out view range and render distance without dropping below 45 fps, but with the graphics card situation being what it is, I may well stick it out with my 1080 TI until next generation of cards comes out and hope that its less absolutely insane by then. 

 

On the other hand, we're probably going to see serious inflation between now and then, so who know right now? 

[Nadelbaum]

After 2 days all 3 local distributors have 3080 Ti still in stock for immediate shipping (this is in EU). So clearly things are now coming back to normal. However the prices are outrageous, but that'll take time to normalize (if ever for this generation of cards).

Edited June 5, 2021 by Nadelbaum
Added note about EU

[Dave]

On 6/4/2021 at 12:45 PM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Just checked now, here in Australia, and some some of the lesser known brands are still available at retail if you want to stump a mere $3400 AUD

 

So, as mentioned by some other posters, the price gouging continues.

Ouch - I paid $2999 for an RTX 3090 last November.

[dbzero]

I saw a tic tok video of an alleged long line in front of a store for the new 3080 TI. Also watched some youtube reviews. One was seriously underwhelmed by the performance gains over the 3080 and price to performance ratio.

 

I should be getting my new rig soon and new 4k monitor next week.

 

The only reason why I can afford this as well as the new gaming laptop and tablet as well as other stuff is the Central Banks flooding the system with free money. I've seen this game all to many times. The Central banks flood the system with easy money and the investment houses, banks-who've been given the ability to buy and sell equities and other entities go and run up stock prices. 

 

Whats more the government has given direct payments to individuals. Many including kids have used the government money to speculate in the stock and crypto markets further increasing the runs.

 

If you can't beat em, join em. Holding money in a savings account effectively pays zero and inflation effectively eats away at the value of money. This is also why crypto and metals are in a bull cycle and IMO are things that will hold value in the long run.

 

This isn't going to end well for many people who end up holding the bag though.

Edited June 5, 2021 by dbzero

[Gambit21]

On 6/3/2021 at 8:09 AM, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

I may sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it's not only computer hardware. Have you seen the price of lumber this days?  The cheapest 2x4 at home depot here in Canada is $10, and most sell for around $15-$20, with maximum limit.   I mean, we are talking about Canada, the country with the second largest forests and lowest population density on the planet. Lumber stock at mills is full, but nothing is moving.

 

There's no excuse for this to happen in Canada, unless there's some larger plan in play here. 

 

Meat products are going through the roof as well. Conveniently blamed on "Russian hackers".

 

I think there's a push to eliminate the middle class, by creating fake shortages and pricing everyone out of the markets. 

 

Yep

Steel mills are the latest - not in the mainstream media. 

[dbzero]

Not just lumber-everything. Food going up wages going up-many companies can't get people to work-in many places what you get from government assistance is more than you'll get working so why bother?

 

Home prices where I'm at have sky rocketed as have rents. I see many here who live overseas and I bet they are seeing home prices skyrocket. I read an article that in Australia home prices have gone through the roof.

 

Lumber is an interesting one. The shutdown and housing boom is probably one cause, but I also heard that the recent cold spell that caused the power outage in Texas with the subsequent  large scale damage to dwellings due to water damage was going to cause a huge demand for lumber to repair all the damage, so its likely a confluence of many events.

 

I'm also gearing up for power shortages this summer. I've stocked up on solar panels and rechargeable batteries that can run things I need/want with the power down. Aside from the ransomware attacks we've seen, we also have a massive drought out west and it so bad the dams that provide hydro electric power are in grave danger of shutting down due to lack of water. There is also the danger of another bad fire season and the potential for power lines to be cut off.

 

We're about a week or so from re-opening fully and I think across the US you're going to see a massive economic boom and demand for just about everything exceed supply.

[DD_fruitbat]

At the moment, there's more chance of buying a unicorn than a new 3000 series card.....

[Gambit21]

On 6/5/2021 at 1:20 PM, DD_fruitbat said:

At the moment, there's more chance of buying a unicorn than a new 3000 series card.....

 

It’s so depressing.

I’ve lowered my sites to a 3070 instead of a 3080, but it’s still basically pointless to pull up New Egg, Amazon etc.

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Gambit21

[DD_Crash]

CCL Computers had a MSI 3090 Suprim for £2399.99 this afternoon.

[TheSNAFU]

3 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

It’s so depressing.

I’ve lowered my sites to a 3070 instead of a 3080, but it’s still basically pointless to pull up New Egg, Amazon etc.

 

Any thoughts on the 8 gb’s of vram on the 3070? I’ve also considered the card but worry that the memory is getting close to insufficient. Even the ti only has 8, thought it would have been better to push that to 10. 

[Wilhelm_Heidkamp]

9 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

Any thoughts on the 8 gb’s of vram on the 3070? I’ve also considered the card but worry that the memory is getting close to insufficient. Even the ti only has 8, thought it would have been better to push that to 10. 

I agree. I fly at 4K. We need more than 8GB VRAM. 

I see 7GB of used VRAM just now with not all settings up (Aida64 Engineer Edition; real VRAM in use/consumed). If we want to maximize all settings at 3840*2160, spending 1000€ in a 3070 8GB is not advisable.

[Gambit21]

16 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

Any thoughts on the 8 gb’s of vram on the 3070? I’ve also considered the card but worry that the memory is getting close to insufficient. Even the ti only has 8, thought it would have been better to push that to 10. 

 

I’m beyond worrying about such things at this juncture. My 1080 already runs IL2 and DCS ok at 4K so a 3070 can only be better. Other things (like Arkham City for instance) it runs full tilt boogie at 4K no problem.

 

 

6 hours ago, PA_Willy said:

I agree. I fly at 4K. We need more than 8GB VRAM. 

I see 7GB of used VRAM just now with not all settings up (Aida64 Engineer Edition; real VRAM in use/consumed). If we want to maximize all settings at 3840*2160, spending 1000€ in a 3070 8GB is not advisable.

 

I run IL2 and DCS at 4K with a 1080 - high settings mostly 

The “4K gaming” benchmark keeps moving - it’s very stupid. I’ve been gaming at 4K for years now with the 1080 just fine. It’s just time to upgrade since it’s a new system.

Edited June 8, 2021 by Gambit21

[Wilhelm_Heidkamp]

High settings mostly is not highest settings (antialiasing included).

 

3070 instead of your 1080 will do a best world at same settings than now, with your 1080.

 

But, if you purchase a new GPU at more than 1000€ is for improving your settings at 4K. I suspect you have not checked the VRAM you are using just now.

 

At highest settings, antialiasing multisampling included, at 4K, 8GB is low, nowadays. Not only in this Game.

 

On my opinion, spending 1000-1200€ with that limitation is a bad idea.

 

Edited June 8, 2021 by PA_Willy

[TheSNAFU]

I have a 1080 as well and using the q2 VR with some concessions in the graphics settings and limiting VR resolution and super sampling it runs darn well. But... I also agree that 8 gb these days is low as evidenced by the same gb vram on my 5 year old 1080 albeit much faster vram on the new cards. Will the 3070 improve things, yes of course but for the money required I lean toward 10 gb vram as the least I want to invest in. Regardless of the card, it brings me back to where I've been since September which is nowhere. ?

[Gambit21]

22 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

I have a 1080 as well and using the q2 VR with some concessions in the graphics settings and limiting VR resolution and super sampling it runs darn well. But... I also agree that 8 gb these days is low as evidenced by the same gb vram on my 5 year old 1080 albeit much faster vram on the new cards. Will the 3070 improve things, yes of course but for the money required I lean toward 10 gb vram as the least I want to invest in. Regardless of the card, it brings me back to where I've been since September which is nowhere. ?

 

Well I’d rather have the 10gb as well, especially over the next 5 years...however I’ll take what I can get now. I’m not in VR after all.

My 1080 mostly just means clouds on low in both DCS and IL2. 

 

My Ryzen 7 5800x REALLY made a huge difference.

[grcurmudgeon]

My 970 isn't crying yet, although it knows it's out the door once a 3xxx (or 4xxx or whatever) becomes acquirable at a reasonable price point ($700 is my limit).

[dbzero]

Had some time to try out new 4k system and monitor coming from 2560x1080 setup.

 

No going back for me. Even games that don’t require a lot of horsepower like strategy games look better in 4k. I also like the additional viewing area and the smaller text doesn’t bother me.

 

I guess the next test is trying to run 2 monitors. Not sure it will be practical to run 2 4k monitors at once. May be asking too much from my video card.

 

Maybe using my old 34inch 2560x1080 might work.

 

In any case it cost a small fortune to acquire all this. The LG 34 inch 4k monitor itself was not cheap but the picture and color quality is superb.

 

Nvidia just released the 3070 TI. I agree with the consensus view....what is the point of this card?

 

I think Nvidia is getting too greedy. Some think Nvidia if given the opportunity to go back in time, they would have never released the RTX 3080 and forced consumers to buy the 3070, 3070 TI, 3080 TI or 3090.

[Jaws2002]

11 hours ago, dbzero said:

Nvidia just released the 3070 TI. I agree with the consensus view....what is the point of this card?

 

It's a new card created and tweaked specially to compete against the 6700xt and 6800.

 Just like the 3080ti was release to compete against 6900xt.

 Nvidia wants it all. 

Jensen turned Nvidia into pure  greed.

The 3080ti was supposed to have $1000 msrp. Jensen added $200 on release day.

[grcurmudgeon]

Can't find either, so it's all hypothetical anyway. Can't even find an AMD card, so the comparisons mean nothing.

[dbzero]

I don't have exact details, but El Salvador has made bitcoin a recognized national currency and wants to use geothermal energy to power mining. Other Central and South American nations have also expressed interest.

 

No idea what if any effect this might have on the GPU shortage.

 

I guess you could call this the modern day equivalent of the oil/gas shortage of the 70's.

[Jaws2002]

2 hours ago, dbzero said:

 

I guess you could call this the modern day equivalent of the oil/gas shortage of the 70's

 

And this shortages are just as artificially created like that 70's gas crisis.

 

Weren't they screaming from the roof tops that we would run out of oil by the year 2000, back then? 

 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

8 hours ago, dbzero said:

I don't have exact details, but El Salvador has made bitcoin a recognized national currency and wants to use geothermal energy to power mining. Other Central and South American nations have also expressed interest.

 

No idea what if any effect this might have on the GPU shortage.

 

I guess you could call this the modern day equivalent of the oil/gas shortage of the 70's.

Currently in Australia, it is more of a "price shock" rather than a GPU shortage. Just checked one of our retailers and they have six RTX 3080 ti brands in stock and have multiples of each.

 

Even dropped the price on a couple of them from really really inflated $ to just really inflated $.

 

Guess your average Aussie is now not so keen to lay down between $3199 - 3599 AUD for one (Nvidia rrp was supposed to be $1950 AUD or similar)

[BeastyBaiter]

13 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

And this shortages are just as artificially created like that 70's gas crisis.

 

Weren't they screaming from the roof tops that we would run out of oil by the year 2000, back then? 

 

 

We're seeing three things going on, inflation, shutdowns of industries and transportation issues. Inflation is the easy one, 70% of all US dollars were created in the past year (or so I keep hearing). So, all things being equal, prices should increase by around 140% once it all settles out (e.g $100,000 house a year ago is now $240,000). Not all things are equal though, so it's hard to say how it will work out exactly. The shortages are due to a mix of product backlogs due to the shutdowns and transportation issues resulting from the same. A spike in demand for home office type stuff doesn't help (lumber for furniture and bigger homes, electronics, etc).

 

After all that, you throw in a crypto boom eating up every GPU the miners can possibly get a hold of and the result is a terrible situation for PC gamers. The problem isn't limited to just us, as noted. Housing, lumber, cars and everything else are being impacted. It will be some time before things settle down, I do expect the price of everything to more or less double over the next few years. I don't think there is any avoiding that given governmental irresponsibility on a global scale.

 

I had hoped to pick up a 6800XT or 3080 at some point, but I think we'll all have to wait for the next generation. This one will be out of stock till the next batch are released, hopefully things stabilize by then and you can grab a new card for a reasonable price or a used crypto one dirt cheap.

Edited June 11, 2021 by BeastyBaiter