Do you fly with honor?

[TheBlackPenguin]

Interesting discussion:

 

Shooting someone in a parachute is a waste of ammo, probably same for the plane which is crashing anyway. It's no longer a threat. Does it really matter so much in a game where you can respawn? Plus why would I get fixated on a dead enemy...I am already leaving planes which catch fire in BOS now, they're doomed anyway.

 

In reality from what I've picked up, things can vary on theatre. North Africa, I think it was Stigler's book, he mentioned being told by the CO that if he attacked an enemy pilot in a parachute he would be shot by his own side. It wasn't really for just honour, rather if one side starts to do it then so will the other...

[Chuck_Owl]

I do not really fly with honor, but there are a couple of things I do not do and frown upon when I see someone do them. Such as:

 

1) Shoulder shooting: It is dangerous for your teammate and reckless... But I don't believe in the notion of "stealing" a kill... IMHO we're all on the same team and a kill is a kill for the team, not the man.
2) Ram intentionally: I fly as if it was my real life on the line. I see no purpose in destroying your machine and killing yourself to "get a kill".  If I happen to ram someone by mistake, I just type  "sorry about the ram... my mistake" and move on.
3) Bail out from a plane to respawn quicker: It's kind of trying to game the game... and not realistic.

 

However, if I see a whole squadron lined up on a runway, I will vulch them without remorse as I know that they would most likely do the same to me given the chance. And it did happen quite extensively in CloD (remember what "I'm spawning at Hawkinge" meant back in the days?). However, I rarely strafe airfields as most of the time you're just begging to get shot by AAA. Survivability comes first.

 

If I have crippled (as in "smoking and wobbling") an enemy aircraft and I see him running away, I will generally not bother to pursue. He is most likely to lead me into an ambush (if he's smart) and I know I've bested him anyway. I rarely (if ever) look at the scoreboard. Mainly since I began flying bombers

[Krause]

I hate when people camp the airstrip preventing the enemy to at least taxi and take off. That's just silly and not fun at all. But well it's just my opinion.

[VR-DriftaholiC]

I hate when people camp the airstrip preventing the enemy to at least taxi and take off. That's just silly and not fun at all. But well it's just my opinion.

It's war there are no rules. Take off from a rear base.

[CreepiJim]

I guess it depends on the mission setting. A pure dog fighting server should allow players to take off. In an objective based scenario (eg bombing specific targets) it reduces enemy presence at a forward airfield. Or shoot down bombers on the runway before they can bomb the objectives.

 

Honor is not something you can enforce. In games people often play different than they would act in the real world. I try to be as honorable in-game as I am in the real world.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Video games sure are serious.

[CreepiJim]

I would be glad if people would just talk/write as they would with real people. Some go completely bonkers in chat. But with current verbal abuse in real life sports, this seems to be the new "thing" to do. Shame on society :D

[Jaws2002]

do you fly with honor?

I fly with the meanest beast in the game and 600+ cannon shells....

 

Does that count?

[No_85_Gramps]

One of these days I was at one of the MP servers, and flying a Yak-1. The server is one of those where both sides can chose any airplane, so, I had made a few kills of  Bf109s and was now fighting a Yak-1... The guy was easily turned inside and shot down twice, and then I realized something was wrong with his aircraft, and sent a public message asking how much fuel he was carrying...  While sending him the messages I folowed his aircraft but very close, but never shot. He answered 100%, so I told him, set itto 30%, or less, and you easily get away from my poor tactics...

 

He left, came back and this time on the same team, as I was heading towards another aircraft. He flew next to me and ... shot me down ( ??? ). I asked what had happened and he answered - It was snipers....

 

Well, not the best example of flying with honor :-/

That was probably me jcomm. I don't recall exactly what happened but I do recall the advice...thank you, well a bit late. I never have intentionally shot at someone on the same team! I get clobbered regularly in MP but I still have fun, which is what the sim is about for me at this time. You definitely need to have thick skin on the MP servers.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

First of all I'll say that although a great sim, this is still a game and not war.  As a game, I play with respect for others.

 

Here are my guidelines for each scenario:

 

Vulching - Strafing aircraft on the ground at spawn point.  Even if allowed, I don't do it as players should be given a chance and I don't need aircraft kills that badly.  If I'm near an enemy airfield and see a plane taking off, I let him get in the air, wheels up, before I engage.  I hope the new mp servers do not allow vulching.  There can be "target" airfields (not spawn points) with static aircraft to simulate this real world war action.  The only time I will attack (at my own risk) a landing aircraft is if I have been engaged with them and they are landing (airfield or not) to end the engagement.  Vulching does not include taking out the airfield with bombs.  BTW, air spawns will not be available on most full real servers and are therefore not an option.

 

Shoulder shooting - When you are on an enemy and another "friendly" aircraft comes in behind you to take shots at the enemy, over and around your aircraft.  If I spot a one on one engagement I usually fly above to support the friendly, if needed.  Usually the tracers will attract other enemy aircraft to the area anyway.  Shoulder shooting can, of course, happen by accident, as a friendly may be under the cowling, etc.  If I accidentally do this I will break off immediately.

 

Kill stealing - shoot at an aircraft that is clearly already doomed, i.e., engine out, on fire, ditching, etc.  This is someone else's work, they are no longer a threat, and I don't want credit for it.  If, by chance an enemy "glider" continues to fight on, they are fair game.

 

Disabling an enemy aircraft - Rendering an enemy plane into a glider.  My advice is to bail.  If not, and on my side of the lines, they better show they are landing on my side, as any attempt to escape and I will finish them off.  If on the enemy side of the lines, they are game, or I break off for my own well being.

 

These are my guidelines.  Do I expect everyone to follow them?  Ya, right...

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I normally try to be honourable if you do one of the following

1. Pull up and jump, especially at low alt.

2. Grey or Black Smoke or Fire, Ill let you go, you wont make it back, and if, you have my respect.

3. You are clearly trying to land / crashland

I'll actively try to preserve the enemy pilots/crews life by trying to deflect into the wing, and when im on the 6 I'll try to hit armor.

Especially in RoF I'll try to let you live and just force you to land, destroy the engine, since you cant jump.

[SR-F_Winger]

Thats how i handle it:

 

IF engine is out i try to let the pilot live. Often thou even burning opponents try and shoot after you. In that case i kill the pilot when i get the oportunity to do a second pass. No matter if the ammo is wasted but thats manners to be taught:)

 

In my time flying online ive learned that there is no such thing like chivalry. And i think there rarely was in RL back in the days. Chute shooting is one of the things i 99,9% of the time avoid. Only if someone piXXed me off hardcore i did that in the past. But thats less than a hand full since early access started.

 

At all times i try to get my kill. If that means a crippled opponent trys to humple back home he cant expect me not to keep engaging. I wouldnt as well.

[Gambit21]

 I hope the new mp servers do not allow vulching. 

It's called 'strafing' as you already indicated, and it happened plenty in the actual war. 

Thus there's nothing wrong with it online so long as someone isn't camping over an airfield waiting for spawners, and THAT is the only time the word "vulching" should be applied.

If someone happens to be flying by or attacking your field, and there you sit....you're fair game. That's just how it is.

Not to mention AA that has to be braved in order to accomplish this, and itt would be silly for any server to disallow strafing of enemy AC on the ground.

 

That said I'm in your boat as far as actually doing it myself while on a CAP, Escort etc - I will wait until the airplane gets into the air unless I'm on

a strike mission for that particular airfield. Then no matter what I'm flying, I'm making a pass at you.

[keeno]

Hi all,

 

I'll be the first to congratulate an enemy when they shoot me down, espeecially if they get me unseen or on their first pass or following a decent tussle. As far as detroying aircraft who are either taking off or landing, sorry but to me at least they are fair game. I absoluting love tearing over an enemy airfield at tree-top height in an LA5 and dropping a couple of bombs on the enemy almost as much as a dogfight.

 

I think we should be gentlemenly about the killing!

 

Cheers.

[Vaxxtx]

Honor? Seriously? Although this is more sim than arcade it is still a video game.

 

Unless you are one of those that plays race sims with gloves and a hemlet on in your living room (no, really, some do), or you wear a scarf and wool to play RoF, I hope people dont take a game too seriously.

 

I dont see how "honor" can translate to a game. Obviously, only in multiplayer, which if you are shot down, just resapawn. Someone gets vulched and gets mad and shoots the vulch down with FF....just respawn. You are damaged and ram your plane into another player....just respawn. Shoot someone taking off the runway....yup just respawn. Someone is smoking and trying to crash land and gets shot up.....re freekin spawn and move on.

 

Without a real penalty for "death" besides a small amount of time, there is no reason to play with "honor". Its not like the person cant just jump right back in. Now, if there were more modes in multiplayer, something dynamic that takes supply logistics and "dead" pilot numbers into account for the campaign I could see someone shooting an already damaged plane down instead of letting it get back across lines a jerk move. But as of now, its air quake, so it does not matter one bit.

 

Side note, there WAS honor in WWII. There was also brutal salughter as well. But German U-boats would sometimes not only make distress calls for ships they sunk, but sometimes supplied life rafts, food, and other essentials. Also note that during BoB plenty of pilots from JG26 and JG2 would not attack low circling Hurricanes or Spits, because they knew they were doing a search and resue of a downed pilot. What about how the Germans treated the British pilot Douglas Bader? Again there was honor. Again...that was REAL life not a bunch of dudes in their offices/rooms playing armchair video games with other guys.

[MarcoRossolini]

I think honour in this sense is creating a pleasurable experience for all involved...

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

I will strafe an enemy airfield as it happened quite often in WW2 not for the kills but for realism purposes. I enjoy when the enemy attack my base it lets me test my skills at fighting even at a major disadvantage low and slow in a German fighter.

[Gambit21]

I will strafe an enemy airfield as it happened quite often in WW2 not for the kills but for realism purposes. I enjoy when the enemy attack my base it lets me test my skills at fighting even at a major disadvantage low and slow in a German fighter.

Bah!

Do it low and slow at a disadvantage in a Russian fighter if you really want to test your skills. 

[Eldur]

I do not shoot chutes, although I've already hit some accidently because they already were bailing out while I still tried to rip off a wing aka still shooting.

 

As for vulching, depends. If I'm sitting in an Il-2, Bf-110, Stuka or similar, I'll do that and then get the hell outta there as I don't want them come up and shoot me down after attacking the airfield (AAA, stationarly stuff etc). Otherwise I'd do that occasionally even with fighters, but I absolutely don't like nailing one and the same guy over and over preventing him from getting up. If someone is on finals going to land, I let him come down, because I hate it myself to get vulched after a sortie as this can spoil the whole day. So basically I always imagine how I would feel at the other end, sometimes it's pretty reasonable, sometimes it is not. It might also be necessary to differ between vulching and strafing. I'd consider vulching is waiting for enemies above thier base, while strafing is just doing a tactical attack, so to be precise it's more or less strafing what I do, but not vulching.

But generally the whole thing depends on situations. I'd rather tend to do that while being under massive pressure at my own home plate, on the other hand I avoid it if there's a better target somewhere which should normally be the case. And I wouldn't do that in Il-2 like coop online wars, but I remember some guys who did that after the missions had been won by their opponents just waiting for them at their bases and picking them up on finals which is extremely nasty.

 

Shooting past a comrade is also one thing I don't like... but don't blame me if I come down into a furball picking one out

[avlSteve]

I usually just fly SP.  Tonight I decided I wanted to see how the 111's are to shoot down, so I set up a dogfight against 8 of them with me in a 190.  Yep.  Flew a bunch of these, and had a blast.

 

Probably close to an hour into it, I finally realize....

[StickMan]

As far as vulching goes there's an easy remedy. Just get some altitude and set up a CAP over your airfield. When the vulchers show up, bounce them. The bonus is they're usually the worst pilots looking for an easy kill and they'll be so fixated on that they'll never see you coming.

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

As far as vulching goes there's an easy remedy. Just get some altitude and set up a CAP over your airfield. When the vulchers show up, bounce them. The bonus is they're usually the worst pilots looking for an easy kill and they'll be so fixated on that they'll never see you coming.

Not always when I attack an airfield I start up high and dive for speed that way and fighters or AA have a hard time hitting me. I'd say I'm an ok pilot I got 16 kills the last MP round I played and only one of those was on the ground.

Edited August 29, 2014 by OCTz06z33

[StickMan]

 they're usually the worst pilots 

 

 

Not always when I attack an airfield I start up high and dive for speed that way and fighters or AA have a hard time hitting me. I'd say I'm an ok pilot I got 16 kills the last MP round I played and only one of those was on the ground.

That's why I said usually, not always. 

Edited August 29, 2014 by GeneralZod

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Last week a pilot who I have confronted in the air on numerous occasions yelled at me for flying defensively and running when he had the advantage in a superior plane. Called me a coward. I have always respected this guy and he has a slight k/d advantage in our encounters. I'd never seen him talk smack before.

 

Today I got the jump on him, lined him up and he jumped from his Il2 while carrying 56 ground points. I shot the coward's chute out from under him. While feeling vindicated at the time I now feel $#!77y about it and it won't happen again. I'll take my lumps like a man and hold my head high when I don't sink to the gamer level next time.

Edited November 4, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Gump]

imho, there is no real "honor" in a war video game. there 'might' be some circumstances of some kind of chosen consideration, but i agree that, since a player can respawn, and even respawn at a different airfield, "all is fair in love and war".

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i once was destroyed about 10 times in a row by a 'vulcher' (in ROF), but it just made me laugh harder each time - it began to be a challenge to me and it really did feel quite humorous. i knew he'd eventually run out of ammo anyways. if an enemy blasts me to fine pieces, wherever i am, it's his call. i just respawn.

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if i let a smoker go, it's because i decide to for some reason (save ammo, see he's going down, lost interest, wary of others) - honor doesn't seem to be a factor in game.

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strafing enemy airfields dishonorable? HA! no way. those aaa are vicious, as are any other enemy protectors. it's not an inglorious endeavor. i don't think ill of any enemy that does the same to me. you catch someone on the ground - it's your opportunity. anyone feeling sorry for themselves about getting blasted in this way should recall that this is a war game.

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in the air with friendlies, i try to be considerate. i realize that i, and anyone else, has a learning curve and makes mistakes. no reason to get all offended about anything. i really dont see very much 'offensive' behavior at all. actuall, im quite impressed by the lack of it.

[johncage]

as soon as i see the server devolve into parachute shooting, strafing downed planes, following planes to ground level, etc.

 

i bring the sc500 to the airfield.

[simplyjames]

If there's a good dogfight and they're hobbling back to base i'll pull aside and salute (wings.) Only when I'm out of ammo of course

[Willy__]

 

 

i bring the sc500 to the airfield.

 

Dont need to wait all of that, I do it sometimes, its fun seeing starting planes blowing up.    

[Cybermat47]

I'd prefer that people used the forums with honour.

If people actually cared as much about their fellow forum users as they did about the game, maybe I wouldn't have torn out so much of my hair.

[Feathered_IV]

Last week I flew way over the other side of the lines and arrived over a distant bomber base. Two Heinkels had just taken off and were forming up for the long haul to the target. With a height advantage I buzzed them and sprayed a few shots over their heads. They started to weave but I told them not to worry, I wasn't going to spoil their fun and I departed to hit some nearby ground targets. They both seemed very surprised and grateful for this. Hardly honorable. But it was at least sporting.

[Sunde]

It's a game!  No one throws their cards in the air after losing a hand at Poker screaming "You tricked me with that worried look on your face!  It was just a lie to get me to up the ante!  Where's your honor!"  "Honor" is flying a side you'd rather not fly just to keep the teams even.  

Well said.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

On cherry-picking individual enemies for an easy kill, I always take this in mind:

 

In my first combat, I did not get a single scratch, but my plane was badly damaged. My commander said, with good reason, ‘Make haste only when catching fleas.’ I did not heed his advice. It seemed to me I could down at least two or three enemy planes at one go. Carried away by the attack, I did not notice an umbrella of Messerschmitt Bf-110s approaching me from behind. Of course, that was a bitter experience and a serious lesson for me. -Ivan N. Kozhedub

 

 

For honour or lack thereof, I try to stick to the mission above all. When my goal is to keep an eye on a pair of bombers, I will do that. If I am doing a sweep so that whoever comes after my flight has less trouble over the target, I will do exactly that. If I am intercepting bombers, that's what I'll do. If the mission is an airfield strike, I will smash every moving and stationary piece there too.

 

Within mission parameters, I think everything goes. I am not a stranger to the odd taran when attacking a bomber flight and all guns are empty and my engine is smoking already. Of course I'll try to do it in the most survivable way possible, but even if I die, protecting my side's assets on the ground is more important than one aircraft/pilot. Siding with that is also the fact that a bomber is a valuable asset to the enemy too.

 

Most of the time, for the mission's sake, the fact is that severely damaging enemy aircraft is usually enough. Yes, they may come back to fight another day, but I'm more likely to be killed while pursuing that easy kill than flying prudently and shooting the individual down next time we meet. In the situations where even a crippled aircraft is dangerous (for example, a smoking but flying 109 in the immediate vicinity of a couple of Il-2s minding their own business) then it's sound to put the last nail in their coffin for your own sake. Even in those cases however, I like to try and let the pilot bail. Most of the time one or two well-aimed bursts will do the job without draining too much ammo.

 

There are other factors that come in such as spite - you will often spare little to no kindness towards someone who shot down half your flight for example.

 

Now, when I find myself on the receiver's end, I don't care much for kindness as much as I enjoy managing to pull a successful ditch right across the front lines. I have three modes on the air, you see 1. Situation normal, going to kill stuff and make sure it doesn't kill my stuff in the process; 2. Something wrong with either my aircraft or the situation, time to get the hell out of there as fast as I can; 3. All hope is lost. I am certainly dead. Thus, I shall turn my plane around and take as many bastards down with me as I can

 

Most of the time number 3 happens with at least two enemies on my tail and a heavily crippled plane at no more than 300m, and usually I die. However, the satisfaction when you either pull out of a terrible situation in one piece either by getting out of there and outsmarting your chasers (2) or by killing them when they thought you were dead meat (3) is incomparable. In that sense, I guess it adds to the experience to have some eager beaver trying to get an easy kill. It happened a lot back in the day, and it's glorious when they get so focused on killing you that they are oblivious to how you are now deep within friendly territory and slowly dragging them to your AA guns or a friend ready to bag them

[Gump]

Last week I flew way over the other side of the lines and arrived over a distant bomber base. Two Heinkels had just taken off and were forming up for the long haul to the target. With a height advantage I buzzed them and sprayed a few shots over their heads. They started to weave but I told them not to worry, I wasn't going to spoil their fun and I departed to hit some nearby ground targets. They both seemed very surprised and grateful for this. Hardly honorable. But it was at least sporting.

 

WHAT?!?! ... why i oughta... (j/k)

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and that was your prerogative, based on your pov. personally, i see no reason to call it honor,sporting, or dishonor, because it really does depend on your point of view...

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for instance, imho, letting those bombers go just gave an advantage to the opposing team, which endangered the rest of YOUR team that is relying on you to help them win. you could have delayed and discouraged them and therefore defended their target (which was your assumed duty?) if you would have stopped or hindered them. but, that's MY pov, and i do not get offended by you having your own preference, even though you may cause your team to lose ;>/

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the other day, i caught a lone 111 almost to target without escort and tore it to pieces. the pilot chat was "not cool, i was almost to [target]". i don't know exactly what his statement was implying about my aggression, but i DID understand that he was quite disappointed about spending so much time on the mission only to be robbed of any success by the enemy (and that's the game!). so, my point is, whether they (the enemy) are destroyed on takeoff, landing, or en route, it's always going to be some sort of inconvenience for the 'victim'. but my argument about 'honor' is that, at most, it's a minor inconvenience to the opposition's goal (to destroy you) versus a real-life losing of life and limb (which again, might actually cause even more brutal behavior).

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shooting parachutes? i wont bother. but i can imagine a scenario where some stat competitors might do it to add a negative to a competitor's stats. different pov. actually, i understand that IRL, there was quite a bit of it that went on. - they had to worry about folks returning to service. and their was quite a bit of enmity generated for aggressors that bombed your fellow citizens.

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i don't try to judge behavior in this game, cuz there are too many potential different pov's by different players at different times. and some folks may be just having a difficult personal time and venting.

[MarcoRossolini]

Is there honour amongst thieves?

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

honour? nah... I would say "faight fairly"... I try not to shouldershoot my friendlies or "kill steal" and if The plane I have shot down tries to belly land - I'll let him. I cannot understand arguments like "this is war".. it's not - it's a game and it's not like if I kill a pilot he can't fight again

If there was a point of killing a pilot like in a "get killed - stay killed" kind of server, then it would make sense... as a game mechanic

Edited November 4, 2015 by SvAF/F19_Klunk

[Y-29.Silky]

I remember back when everyone played 1946, the majority of pilots had honor. I was dogfighting in a P-51 vs 3 Bf-109's for a long time; twisting, turning, going under bridges, they finally shot me up and my engine was dying. I wasn't combat effective so I turned my navigation lights on and every single one of them disengaged while I crash landed.

 

That is how everyone has fun.

 

Now? There's no more honor in the IL-2 community. Everyone has the damn War Thunder syndrome where they make pass after pass until they see the enemy going down in a ball of fire. Which is stupid in my opinion as you're wasting ammo and altitude on an already dead aircraft. Secondly, there's the Cliffs of Dover syndrome where airfield camping is 90% of the gameplay, and time to time you get someone strafing everyone on the ground. Yes it happened in real life, but this is a game.

 

And a little off topic but for those who say there was no honor on the Eastern Front is wrong. I read a piece by Vasily Grossman...

 

"Murashev and medical orderly Zaitsev had been sentenced to be executed. Murashev for shooting himself through the hand, the other, because he had killed a famous pilot, who was coming down by parachute from a shot-up aircraft. Execution was commuted for both of them. And now they are both the best snipers in Stalingrad."

 

Contrary to what happened to regular soldiers, the Russians respected people with great skills.

[Zettman]

I don't shoot people hanging in the chute, that's it. Every other flying, starting or landing plane represents for me nothing more than a legitimate military target until it has turned into a burning wreckage.

 

Zettman

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I don't shoot people hanging in the chute, that's it. Every other flying, starting or landing plane represents for me nothing more than a legitimate military target until it has turned into a burning wreckage.

 

Zettman

 

I completely don't disagree

[Fern]

Honour is for early WW1 air war. Became a nasty business ever since the middle of WW1. I doubt there was much chivalry shown on the eastern front. The only things that would stop me finishing off a stricken E/A is ammo conservation and not wanting to lose altitude and energy needlessly. 

 

Your wrong there several German pilots showed mercy to their Russian foes, Ie Barkhorn, and the Count and Im sure there are others but we havent heard their stories. Franz Stigler let a very damaged B-17 go in fact he flew with it over the German flack batterys so they wouldn't shoot it down.

 

Here are some good examples of chivalry on western and eastern fronts.

 

It's just a video game. Kill them all. No one has showed me mercy yet. Got to make those stats look good...

 

Robert S. Johnson P-47 Ace

 

http://acepilots.com/usaaf_rsj.html

 

Swiveling constantly, he froze in horror as he spotted a plane approaching him, an Fw-190, beautifully painted in blue with a yellow cowling. Johnson was totally helpless, and just had to wait for the German to get him in his sights and open up. The German closed in, taking his time with the crippled American fighter. Johnson hunched down behind his armor-plated seat, to await the inevitable. The German opened up, spraying the plane with 30-caliber machine gun fire, not missing, just pouring lead into the battered Thunderbolt. Johnson kicked his rudder left and right, slowing his plane to a crawl, and fired back as the German sped out in front of him.

 

The Focke-Wulf easily avoided the gunfire from the half-blinded Johnson, and circled back, this time pulling level with him. The pilot examined the shattered Thunderbolt all over, looking it up and down, and shook his head in mystification. He banked, pulled up behind Johnson again, and opened up with another burst. Somehow the rugged Republic-built aircraft stayed in the air. The German pulled alongside again, as they approached the southern coast of the Channel. Still flying, Johnson realized how fortunate it was that the German found him after his heavy 20mm cannons were empty.

 

As they went out over the Channel, the German get behind and opened up again, but the P-47 kept flying. Then he pulled up alongside, rocked his wings in salute, and flew off, before they reached the English coast. Johnson had survived the incredible, point-blank machine gun fire, but still had to land the plane. He contacted Mayday Control by radio, who instructed him to climb if he can. The battered plane climbed, and after more communication, headed for his base at Manston. Landing was touch and go, as he had no idea if the landing gear would work. The wheels dropped down and locked and he landed safely.

 

 

From 'Luftwaffe Fighter Ace' free pdf here in the forums.

 

 

We caught sight of a Yak with unusual red, white and blue markings

on its rudder. We had heard about a group of French volunteers who

were fighting for the Soviets. Was this one of them? As we all continued

to get in each other’s way the enemy pilot, whatever his nationality,

skilfully avoided every one of our passes. He twisted and turned, splitessed,

barrel-rolled and zoom-climbed with such agility that not one of

us could keep him in our sights long enough to get in a telling shot – not

even Nowotny.

After about five minutes of these hair-raising aerobatics Nowy, as the

CO of I Gruppe was commonly known, decided enough was enough:

“To all pilots, let him go home, he’s earned it.” The Kommandeur’s

machine broke away and we all followed. The Yak promptly

disappeared in the direction of Schlüsselburg.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Fern

[KoN_]

I fly with honour , Yes .

Not going to lower my standards by to shooting down landing aircraft , pretty poor skills to me .

The other thing that is bugging me is the constant following all the way back to airbase thing . Come on get a life .

If i have had a good dogfight with the enemy then ill show plenty of honour . 

In campaigns fly to win .