Warthog Throttle - Get rid of Idle detent?

[Patricks]

For Jet sims its great but the Idle detent is a bit of a PITA with WWII sims and it's ~ 10% of the overall throttle throw. I already have the "push-through" AB mod so that end is fine, is there a way to disable the Idle detent part of the throttle throw (or remove the detent in software or hardware) to make the whole range of travel smooth?

 

Edit: In Settings if I set the Dead Zone to 80% it "looks" like I still have full throw starting at the top of the Idle Detent, will test this out...

Edited May 28, 2021 by Icer

[J2_Steve]

You can remove the detent.

Only 2 Allen screws.

There are a few modded 3d printed detents available online, so you can keep the detent, but does not require lifting the throttles, just gives you a soft stop that you can push through. Either for idle or afterburner

 

I have just removed the detent completely to give me a smooth throttle all the way through it's range

 

This youtube vid shows how easy it is to get to the detent

Thrustmaster Warthog Afterburner Detent Mod Explanation and Install - YouTube

[Patricks]

2 hours ago, J2_SteveF said:

You can remove the detent.

Only 2 Allen screws.

There are a few modded 3d printed detents available online, so you can keep the detent, but does not require lifting the throttles, just gives you a soft stop that you can push through. Either for idle or afterburner

 

I have just removed the detent completely to give me a smooth throttle all the way through it's range

 

This youtube vid shows how easy it is to get to the detent

Thrustmaster Warthog Afterburner Detent Mod Explanation and Install - YouTube

 

Thank you, but I think you are talking about the AB detent (which I have already replaced with a 3D printed push-through version). I was referring to the IDLE Cutoff detent (it has it's own physical cutoff but is not changeable). I figured a work-around in Settings that seems to wok using the Deadzone setting. Pics in Oder - Throttle at bottom of Idle detent, Just out of Idle Detent, against AB detent, full throttle..

Edited May 28, 2021 by Icer

[J2_Steve]

You've made me look at my throttle again and I can see what you are talking about.

I didn't even realise there was an Idle detent!

 

I removed the AB detent thinking that gave me 100% travel stop to stop, but after years of using this throttle have just noticed a hard idle detent too!

 

 

[Patricks]

23 minutes ago, J2_SteveF said:

You've made me look at my throttle again and I can see what you are talking about.

I didn't even realise there was an Idle detent!

 

I removed the AB detent thinking that gave me 100% travel stop to stop, but after years of using this throttle have just noticed a hard idle detent too!

 

 

 

Glad I could help.. LOL

I believe I have it solved for IL2, now if I can just get it working in DCS... Playing with saturation gets me the correct movement in the Options window but in the cockpit it's always the same, Idle detent is 1500 RPM, it I want to idle I have to lift it and move it back to its rear stop... ?  Nice thing about the IL2 Throttle position graphics is you can see that the Idle detent is 20% of the throttle throw..

Edited May 28, 2021 by Icer

[WWCraven]

There is another way that you can eliminate the Idle Cutoff Detent without using deadzones.  I've been using this method for a couple of years now and it works just fine.

You will need to use the Warthog Throttle Calibration tool to make this happen, if you don't have the WTC it's easily enough found by doing a search, think the latest version is V1.07.

 

If you use this method you will not have use of the Idle Cutoff for any other sim unless you once again recalibrate your throttle.

 

This is an excerpt from a post in the DCS forums that I followed (in bold).  If you view his full post he mentions that he thinks you have to flash the firmware on your device, you don't.

 

Full thread here https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/194917-a-way-to-change-the-warthog-throttle-behavior-some-may-not-know-about

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So as to the trick it self and what does it intend to do:

 

As you know the warthog two throttle axis resister no input aft of the idle cutoff position. Making many people belive this is the end of the physical axis and that you cannot get any input aft of this point. Well this is actually not so. The #29 and #30 DXinputs that work in this region of movement are actually programeed into the firmware, they are not physical switches, anyone who has opened the WH throttle unit has probably noticed this, and they will infact remain funcional even after using this trick. The only diference is that you can actually get axis range through the whole range of of physical movement of the throttles.

 

What do you have to do to get it? Run the WH throttle calibration tool, and do everything it tells you to, right up to STEP #6, when it tells you to move your "Dual Throttle" to the idle position - DON'T. Keep them on the OFF position. Finish calibration and now you will have full use of your whole AXIS range of motion.

To restore default funtionality, just run the tool again and follow the instructions correctly this time around.

 

Now some of you may ask why would you need this. Well in some sims it will work very well out of the box. Falcon BMS is one of them, or an airliner sim where you have the reverse throttles engaged in such a way. Other than that comunity members like Debolestis https://www.shapeways.com/shops/debolestis are 3D printing custom parts to replace your throttles detent piece. Some of this parts can give you a smoth travel trough the entire physical range of the axis, usefull for WW2 birds, or to have a detent at the physical middle of travel (Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen, etc). The possibilities are great.

 

Anyway, just wanted to make people aware of this, what you do with it is up to you.

 

 

[Patricks]

Thanks WWCraven, I stumbled on the Calibration tool yesterday, posted this on other forums but also changed the setup in IL2 and it works perfectly.. ?

 

Ok, solved. Just found the Warthog Throttle calibration software here. By ignoring the part which told me to set throttle to OFF (which means to lift the Idle Detent and go full back) and just leaving it at the Idle Detent stop, I now have full throttle from the Idle Stop to buried past AB! I have lost the "Idle Detent" capability (in BMS anyway) but really don't care as it's only used for Ramp starts and Alt-i works fine..

 

 

Just tested in DCS BF-109, IL2 and BMS.. all is A-OK!

 

Edit for reference: Looking at the DX button screen in Win10 I see how DX 29 and 30 are in the ON state with the throttles out of the Idle position and OFF when you lift and pull the throttles Into the Idle Cutoff position, so I just set the release state (Idle detent) to Alt-i in BMS AL, seems to work fine!

Edited May 29, 2021 by Icer