landing gear and hydraulics not in damage model ?

[C6_lefuneste]

I just saw a video showing DM of another sim ? on which a fw190 was shoot by a P51. At a moment, one landing gear of the Fw190 started to open, the closing mecanism was off. It makes me remind that I never had this issue (I'm a flying target), nor had problem to deploy my landing gear, even if my plane was crippled, with plenty of holes.

I saw on real guncam  films some case where landing gear opened followed gun fire, so it is not something that never append. Is it me or the DM lacks this landing gear /  hydraulic part ?

[ITAF_Airone1989]

Here it never happens, on the other sim seems to happen all the time ?

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

I think I remember that this type of damage still needs to be completed, surely in some future we will receive more improvements in terms of the DM, Hydraulics, cables, fuel

[Voidhunger]

its on our wishlist for many years....

[Diggun]

I did witness a 38 landing on Finnish the other day whose front wheel had been blown off. He came to a rather sudden halt. The devs have stated that they will be looking to improve system damage modelling in future.

[No145_Bunny]

I was flying a P51 last night, got bounced by AI 109's and they damaged my aircraft and blew the entire left wheel and cover off. The landing strut was still intact but no wheel. I came in to land and tested my undercarriage, they came down quite happily (minus the left wheel of course) but I decided to belly land it. First time I ever saw this type of damage to any aircraft that I have flown.

[=FEW=fernando11]

In MP I have seen the whole wheel and wheel cover blown off.

Edited May 26, 2021 by =FEW=fernando11

[BlitzPig_EL]

I've seen main gear wheels flying through the air after being shot off many times.

[Voidhunger]

41 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I've seen main gear wheels flying through the air after being shot off many times.

But thats not hydraulic/pneumatic system damage

[BlitzPig_EL]

True.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Definately missing, agreed. Also guns very rarely getting damaged or jam out of nowhere, not realistic. Your oxygen tank gets destroyed 20 times more often than a gun jamming. I've seen canopies get torn from a plane because of damage more often than a gun jamming!

[Hitcher]

System damage RNG needs to be bumped up I think, it's so rare to damage controls, weapons, ammo with weapons that dont pack a ton of HE. Even fuel fires are relatively rare and most of the time radiator leaks are pretty inconsequential.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Hitcher

[RNAS10_Oliver]

2 hours ago, Hitcher said:

System damage RNG needs to be bumped up I think, it's so rare to damage controls, weapons, ammo with weapons that dont pack a ton of HE. Even fuel fires are relatively rare and most of the time radiator leaks are pretty inconsequential.

Must not spend much time using aircraft from Flying Circus on the Jasta 5 Flugpark then. With regards to control damage I mean. As it’s very very common. And the resulting effect on your controls is kind of wrong, jamming them in place.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Oliver88

[Hitcher]

1 hour ago, Oliver88 said:

Must not spend much time using aircraft from Flying Circus on the Jasta 5 Flugpark then. With regards to control damage I mean. As it’s very very common. And the resulting effect on your controls is kind of wrong, jamming them in place.

Sorry yeah, I'm referring purely to WW2 aircraft. I have little experience with ww1 biplanes.

[FlyingH]

But the 190 has electrical actuated landing gear, so you wouldn´t see them come down like the P51s would (if the DM was working!)

[Ram399]

I've had my own wheels shot off, and shot off other people's wheels many times, but never the entire gear assembly- nor have I ever witnessed any sort of hydraulic damage.

I did once lose half of my main landing gear, strut wheel and all, in the Bf-109 G2 as a result of a grazing midair collision however.
That was an interesting experience because I didn't realize anything was wrong until I got back to base and tried to lower my now missing gear but only got one green light on the position indicator.

It was one of those moments where I had to ask myself, what do I do now?  Realistically I would fly a low pass over the field and they could tell me what was going on but unfortunately that's not an option in IL-2.  Luckily the flight was during the afternoon so I flew low over a field with the gear down and banked so that I could see my own shadow which confirmed that my left strut and wheel were entirely gone.

Low on fuel I eventually decided that no gear was better than just one and bellied it in on the dirt strip, came to a stop unharmed right next to the control tower.
Overall it was actually a really immersive and fun experience, and I wish this sort of problem happened more instead of just once in over 1500 hours of playtime.
Also it does at least indicate that an entire gear assembly can in fact be removed.

Screenshot of the collision taken during a replay:

Spoiler

 

[Angry_Kitten]

some things are fun, some things are not. 

 

On CLOD i did manage, after a heavy use of cannons, blow a wheel off of a stuka... even though i was aiming at the engine. 

 

But i do get a grin when i belly land my 190 and see wheels get ripped off

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

had an event where a mate of mine climbed to shallow on take off and bumped his il2 landing gear off the roof of a hanger,,,, left gear went up, the right failed and stayed out half way...
so our flight turned into problem solving...
cycling gear didnt work, so i told him to try going inverted, the gear went in but not fully...
good enough    went on mission then the gear fell out again during a bombing run, centre of gravity off, went into a spin...

not gun damaged hydraulic failure but pretty cool none the less..

i know in 1946 we would have the gear drop all the time ,  if not full but fail to deploy on landing as well..

hope implemented more of this in the future

 

[Angry_Kitten]

On 5/26/2021 at 9:37 AM, Hitcher said:

System damage RNG needs to be bumped up I think, it's so rare to damage controls, weapons, ammo with weapons that dont pack a ton of HE. Even fuel fires are relatively rare and most of the time radiator leaks are pretty inconsequential.

FUEL fires are really common for me.  

    I think i can manage 2 fuel fires for every 3 hours of flying now.  

[Burdokva]

That's my heavily damaged Yak-7b about to land at Severskaya in Kuban. Note that, among other things, the tail wheel is missing - it was shot off by the '109 that hit me in the tail section.

 

Gear deployed normally and I only noticed that it was gone when it started screaching upon touchdown, as well as the plane feeling a lot more "draggy", like a sleight. Tail wheel strut actually broke off while and I proceeded skidding on the runway sitting on the damaged tail; the main gear remained intact and functional.

 

There are advanced damage model features present, I guess some of them just happen rarely and aren't as easily noticed.

[Bilbo_Baggins]

Never seen hydraulic damage. 

 

I also remember it used to often give a 'gun damaged' notification but basically never see that now.

[ChauveViking]

4 hours ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

Never seen hydraulic damage. 

 

I also remember it used to often give a 'gun damaged' notification but basically never see that now.

Just yesterday I had my weapons damaged again, I was in 109, it's not often but it always happens.
I've had the turn more often with aircraft that have weapons in their wings

[BlitzPig_EL]

I regularly have wing guns damaged and made inoperable.  I think there are some that believe that every time you go up you should have every calamity that can befall a combat aviator, yet another manifestation of the "harder is more real" line of nonsense propagated by sim "pilots".

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

On 5/26/2021 at 10:37 AM, Hitcher said:

System damage RNG needs to be bumped up I think, it's so rare to damage controls, weapons, ammo with weapons that dont pack a ton of HE. Even fuel fires are relatively rare and most of the time radiator leaks are pretty inconsequential.

 

Radiator and oil leaks are more inconsequential in some planes than others, its weird. In the 109, if you leak coolant from both radiators, your engine's done in less than 5 minutes. However I often see Yaks and Hurricanes leak coolant forever and land safely still. In the case of the hurricane, I'm fighting it all the time in BOM and the engine will simply never give out even with significant oil AND coolant leaks at the same time.

[KPnutskgwanchos]

3 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

Radiator and oil leaks are more inconsequential in some planes than others, its weird. In the 109, if you leak coolant from both radiators, your engine's done in less than 5 minutes. However I often see Yaks and Hurricanes leak coolant forever and land safely still. In the case of the hurricane, I'm fighting it all the time in BOM and the engine will simply never give out even with significant oil AND coolant leaks at the same time.

Yeah I really find that odd .... cant be that difficult to add a countdown to engine seize .... I just ignore any leaks now ... never seem to run out of fuel or blow an engine. Surely a pretty basic thing to model?