Great Battles Future Third Party Collector Planes

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

It would only make sense in GB if north-central Germany was modeled, as that's where it saw (very) limited combat.

Even I don’t think that is going to happen. There is no way I could build a case as to why a North Central Germany map should be made. The Luftwaffe was virtually destroyed at this point so there would not be much of an air battle here. But I know that’s a discussion for another thread.

Edited January 11 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

He-177A - Five Reasons Why

• I think we need a He-177A in Great Battles for Battle of Normandy and Battle of Bodenplatte pilot career and AQMB. It would enrich the gameplay by making it more historically accurate and help diversify the range of German bombers in the game. The He-177 was used in the Baby Blitz before the invasion of Normandy.
• The He-177A would come in several sub-variants which are the A-1, A-3 and A-5. My point here is is that you could do many more types of missions with this bomber besides conventional level bombing, such as ground attack, tank destroying and dive bombing, which I would not advise for such an aircraft. 
• The He-177A had good defence armament, which would be well liked amongst players who buy it. Would be a challenge for those who want to fight it, or end up encountering it in pilot career mode or in AQMB. Also has a good bomb load of ~6,000 kg and it had good cockpit visibility due to its glass nose.
• The He-177 would be a valuable bomber to have in multiplayer for Axis players. With its high bomb load, long range of 5,000 km, and a relatively high speed of 462 km/h, it would help give Axis forces a massive victory on the virtual battlefield when it comes to bombing air fields and other important infrastructure with a high yield. 
• The He-177 would take a long time for 1CGS to build and money that could be spent on the new game. But IF they did decide to built such a plane, but I think it would sell very well in Great Battles. I think we need another modern combat flight simulator other than WarThunder that has this plane you can fly.

[Jackfraser24]

He-219A - Five Reasons Why

• The He-219 would be an awesome night fighter to have in Great Battles. It  was great at shooting down bombers. It had a decent top speed (616 km/h), powerful engines (1,800 hp each) and was armed with four 30mm MK 108s, two 30mm MK 103s, and two 20mm MG 151/20 cannons (A-7 specs).
• No other modern combat flight simulation game has the He-219 other than War Thunder. Not that I have anything against War Thunder, but I would much rather purchase a plane rather than having to play a long time to get it, or have to pay for a subscription to have it.
• The He-219 saw service in the Benelux region, from June - September 1944 so it would have a place in pilot career mode by contributing to enriching the gameplay  by adding plane diversity. Same for Bodenplatte AQMB (if night missions were available to do).
• I think the game is lacking planes in the likes of the He-219 and other night fighters. It would be really fun to fly bomber destroyer missions in these planes where you have to operate in the dark and use nose radar to find and shoot down enemy bombers like the B-25 and the B-26.
• The He-219A would come in many sub-variants such as the preproduction A-0, which was still fighter capable; the A-2 which had longer engine nacelles, and extra fuel tanks; and the A-7, which was an improved version for night fighting. Also, there is a surviving specimen to study in Virginia, USA.

[Jackfraser24]

Ju-86E - Three Reasons Why

• The Ju-86E as a collector plane for Great Battles, would come in two variants - the E-1 and the E-2. The E-1 had the BMW 132 series F engines while the E-2 had the BMW 132 series N engines. The difference was horse power, here the series N was up-rated and more powerful.
• The Ju-86 E-2 was used at Stalingrad in significant numbers (58 units) to supply the German Sixth Army so it would help enrich the gameplay in Battle of Stalingrad pilot career and Advanced Quick Mission Builder by contributing to aircraft diversity (I understand this is a recurring point).
• The Ju-86 exists only in one modern combat flight simulation game. War Thunder. I know I have repeated this point several times already but I think why should War Thunder be the only modern combat flight simulation game that has it, and why should players have to play so long to get it?

[Enceladus828]

These are planes I'd like to see in GBs based on the categories listed below.

 

Simple variants of aircraft already in the game (likely to train new modellers):

Pe-3, Bf-110F, IL-2M, P-47M, and Pe-2 (1944)

 

Aircraft variants requiring much more work:

A-20G and Mosquito Mk. IV

 

Entirely new planes:

Hs-123, Fw-189, AI B-17 or B-24, flyable B-25, BE2c, Rumpler C.IV, Aviatik C.I, and Caudron G.IV

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

These are planes I'd like to see in GBs based on the categories listed below.

 

Simple variants of aircraft already in the game (likely to train new modellers):

Pe-3, Bf-110F, IL-2M, P-47M, and Pe-2 (1944)

 

Aircraft variants requiring much more work:

A-20G and Mosquito Mk. IV

 

Entirely new planes:

Hs-123, Fw-189, AI B-17 or B-24, flyable B-25, BE2c, Rumpler C.IV, Aviatik C.I, and Caudron G.IV

These are planes I would like to see in Great Battles:

Allies:

• A-20G
• A-26B
• B-25B Flyable
• B-26B Flyable
• IL-2M
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• P-38L
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• P-40N
• P-47N
• Pe-2 205 Series
• Pe-2 359 Series
• Pe-3bis
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa/b
• Yak-9D

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-4
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 K-1
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 S-1
• Ju-188 E-1
• Mc.200 Serie 21

Edited January 16 by Jackfraser24

[LukeFF]

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

[Aurora_Stealth]

On 1/16/2025 at 6:05 AM, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

 

Prepare yourself Luke, you may be about to receive a "five reasons why" bullet point breakdown of how this could all be very simple in theory according to Armchair Aviation Services Ltd here 😄

 

These wish lists really aren't helping determine what types would add best value to the game. Arguments can be made for any aircraft, but I'd urge people to focus on which aircraft have the most value in terms of their operational impact, their overall scale of deployment in service and importantly how likely they will actually be used by players ingame (utility, playability in game environment, and popularity/saleability).

Edited January 18 by Aurora_Stealth

[Jackfraser24]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

And I appreciate the fact that it takes a lot of time, money and resources.

[JG7_X-Man]

BoB Collectors Pack $100 USD

 

Spitfire Ia/Ib

Spitfire IIa/IIb

Fairey Swordfish

 

Bf 109E-4

Fw 190A-2

Fw 190A-4

Do-17

Edited January 18 by JG7_X-Man

[Aurora_Stealth]

9 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

BoB Collectors Pack $100 USD

 

Spitfire Ia/Ib

Spitfire IIa/IIb

Fairey Swordfish

 

Bf 109E-4

Fw 190A-2

Fw 190A-4

Do-17

This is covered by Cliffs of Dover, it's going to include the early Fw190's and Swordfish among everything else in the upcoming development "Fortresses and Focke Wulfs".

 

There's not much point duplicating that effort. A comprehensive upgrade to graphics, visuals, VR and other systems is being tested and is finally maturing for CoD. With some luck it should come to fruition in the second half of this year. 

Edited January 18 by Aurora_Stealth

[JG7_X-Man]

Cliffs of Dover? Never heard of it.

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Cliffs of Dover? Never heard of it.

It was the first game in the IL-2 second generation concerning the Battle of Britain. It’s an alright game in my opinion, but the textures and graphics were outdated by the time it was released - 2011. Even Rise of Flight had way better graphics and textures, and that was released in 2009. Team Fusion revamped the game to the best degree they could have possibly done though. 
 

This is all just in my opinion though so please take it with a grain of salt.

[Enceladus828]

54 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

5 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

It was the first game in the IL-2 second generation concerning the Battle of Britain…

He was just being sarcastic

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/16/2025 at 7:05 PM, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

I think we need more aircraft for Moscow as there are few available for AQMB and pilot career mode in comparison to other BoX. And I'll be reasonable with this.

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4
• He-111 H-2
• Hs-123A
• Ju-87 B-2
• Mc.200 Serie 21

Soviets

• LaGG-3 Series 4
• Pe-3bis
• SB-2
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa
• Yak-1 Series 1

 

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:12 PM, JG7_X-Man said:

BoB Collectors Pack $100 USD

 

Spitfire Ia/Ib

Spitfire IIa/IIb

Fairey Swordfish

 

Bf 109E-4

Fw 190A-2

Fw 190A-4

Do-17

I'd like to see a Battle of Britain module done for the new series. But I think we'd need a slightly different list.

 

Allies

• Beaufighter Mk.I (Collector)
• Blenheim Mk.I
• Defiant Mk.I
• Hurricane Mk.I
• Spitfire Mk.I

Axis

• Bf-109 E-3
• Bf-110 C-4 (Collector) (This was a hard one)
• He-111 H-2
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-88 A-1

[Jackfraser24]

On 1/16/2025 at 7:05 PM, LukeFF said:

And are you guys ready to do all the needed research for them? 🙂 It's not as simple as you make it out to be. 

I’m not actually upset, haha! But I guess if we were to have ten more collector planes for Great Battles and being reasonable, I would have to chose these ten.

Allies

• A-20G
• Beaufighter Mk.VIc
• B-25D Flyable 
• B-26B Flyable
• IL-4

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Do-217 M-1
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-188 A-1

 

Edited February 15 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

On 8/22/2024 at 6:57 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Bf-109 E-4 - 10 reasons why

1. There were minor differences between the E-4 and E-7. It had a less powerful engine; had less powerful armament; less fuel; slightly lighter and couldn’t fly as far. 
2. It had some advantages over the E-7 such as better manoeuvrability and better cockpit visibility. 
3. If anybody wanted to make a YouTube video about the Battle of Britain they could use the E-4 to make it look more realistic. 
4. The Bf-109E was a beautiful looking aircraft and I think it would be nice to have another E sub-variant. 
5. The E-4 would make pilot career more historically accurate in pilot career. 
6. It was an iconic sub-variant of the Bf-109.
7. If the Bf-109 G-6 Late and G-6AS were made when we already had the Bf-109 G-6, I think it would be unreasonable to exclude the E-4. 
8. The E-4 was in the original IL-2 series.
9. The E-4 was used at Odessa (1941), Moscow and Stalingrad.
10. It would appeal to people who like the Bf-109E sub variants.

We are finally getting the Bf-109 E-4 for Great Battles! For all who don't know, this is exactly why I have been suggesting aircraft. So in case they are going to be announced I quote my own suggestion and say:

Edited February 21 by Jackfraser24

[ST_Catchov]

Thank you Jack. One can never have enough 109's. We are indebted.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Thank you Jack. One can never have enough 109's. We are indebted.

I think we can never have enough planes for Great Battles in general.

 

[Jackfraser24]

20 Most Needed Aircraft

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-4
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-2
• Do-217 M-1
• Fw-189 A-1
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-188 A-1

Allies

• A-20G
• Beaufighter Mk.VI
• IL-4
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• P-38L
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• Pe-3Bis
• Tu-2
• Yak-9D

[Jackfraser24]

What are people's thoughts on the newly announced 'Defense and Liberation' plane list? 

 

I'll go first. Honestly though I am glad to see all these aircraft coming to the game and not at all disappointed in what they have chosen to make, I was kind of hoping for larger multi-engine bombers like the A-20G, IL-4 and the Pe-2 1944 Series for the Soviets and the Do-217 E-2, He-111 H-2 and H-20, and the Ju-188 A/E. Reason why is because they could be used in other Great Battles modules. But on the positive side I am glad that we are seeing fighter aircraft like the Bf-109 E-4, La-7, and the Yak-3, as well as more heavier aircraft like the IL-2 model 1944 and the Ju-87 D-5. 

Edited February 27 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Ju-87 B-2 - Five Reasons Why

• The Ju-87 B-2 would have a place in the pilot career modes of the early Eastern Front modules between 1941-42. A significant number of Ju-87 B-2's were used at Moscow and Stalingrad, as well as the Sieges of Odessa and Leningrad. 
• The Ju-87 B-2 would also complement the Ju-87 D-3 at Stalingrad in Pilot Career and would show the transition of squadrons changing from the Ju-87B to the Ju-87D series, which I think would be nice to have in Battle of Stalingrad.
• Since the Ju-87 D-5 has been announced, I think that the Ju-87 B-2 deserves at least some consideration amongst the team to make. Its differences were greater from the Ju-87 D-3 in comparison to the differences between the D-3 and D-5. It was less evolved, yet the B series had that more iconic Stuka look.
• I think that Battle of Moscow is missing a lot of aircraft from it on both sides in pilot career and AQMB. It needs more aircraft, especially the Ju-87 B-2 as they were prevalent there and (I think) the B-2 was the main Stuka variant at the Battle. 
• I believe it would be a success for the game as it would be well liked amongst the community, but for Stuka fans it would really appeal to them. 

Edited February 28 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Ju-87 D-1 - Five Reasons Why

• The Ju-87 D-1 marked the Stuka squadron's transition from the Ju-87B series to the Ju-87D series. If both the Ju-87 B-2 (from above) and the Ju-87 D-1 were to be made, they would show that smooth transition.
• The Ju-87 D-1, along with the Ju-87 B-2 (again, from above) would complete the list of Stukas that flew missions on the Eastern Front. I mean, we already have the D-3 and then there's the incoming D-5, so (I think) we need earlier variants of the Stuka to complete this list.
• The Ju-87 D-1 would work well in the Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and Defense and Liberation pilot career modes as an effective dive bomber. As for late 1941 to early 1942 the only other Stuka available was the B-2, which is more primitive than the Ju-87D series, so it would complement the B-2 well at Moscow.
• The Ju-87 D-1 was different to the Ju-87 D-3 in terms of having less armor, which may suggest that this was more so a pure dive bomber than a dive bomber and a ground attack aircraft, which I think makes a big enough difference to be justified to be made for the game.
• The Ju-87 D-1 would make the Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Pilot Career and Advanced Quick Mission Builder game play more accurate, and it would add extra spice to it (meaning that new planes would make for an even more exciting game play).

Edited March 2 by LukeFF
NO SWASTIKAS

[Jackfraser24]

On 3/2/2025 at 2:20 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Ju-87 D-1 - Five Reasons Why

• The Ju-87 D-1 marked the Stuka squadron's transition from the Ju-87B series to the Ju-87D series. If both the Ju-87 B-2 (from above) and the Ju-87 D-1 were to be made, they would show that smooth transition.
• The Ju-87 D-1, along with the Ju-87 B-2 (again, from above) would complete the list of Stukas that flew missions on the Eastern Front. I mean, we already have the D-3 and then there's the incoming D-5, so (I think) we need earlier variants of the Stuka to complete this list.
• The Ju-87 D-1 would work well in the Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and Defense and Liberation pilot career modes as an effective dive bomber. As for late 1941 to early 1942 the only other Stuka available was the B-2, which is more primitive than the Ju-87D series, so it would complement the B-2 well at Moscow.
• The Ju-87 D-1 was different to the Ju-87 D-3 in terms of having less armor, which may suggest that this was more so a pure dive bomber than a dive bomber and a ground attack aircraft, which I think makes a big enough difference to be justified to be made for the game.
• The Ju-87 D-1 would make the Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Pilot Career and Advanced Quick Mission Builder game play more accurate, and it would add extra spice to it (meaning that new planes would make for an even more exciting game play).

Hey LukeFF, I just want to apologize for the accidental swastika post. I was so used to seeing German plane images and I got so accustomed to it that I forgot it was actually on the tail of the aircraft. Again, I just want to say sorry for all of this to you and anyone I may have offended by accident. Have a good day (you the reader).

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone be keen on making the Mc.200 for Great Battles, specifically for the early Eastern Front modules?

[Enceladus828]

I don't think so. That would be an entirely new aircraft to make which would only fit on the Odessa map. I would rather see some WW1 planes than that.

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

I don't think so. That would be an entirely new aircraft to make which would only fit on the Odessa map. I would rather see some WW1 planes than that.

Who knows but the dev team? Maybe the Mc.200 will be one of the aircraft announced in this next lot of planes. 

[Enceladus828]

12 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Who knows but the dev team? Maybe the Mc.200 will be one of the aircraft announced in this next lot of planes. 

Jack, since we don’t have a North Africa map, an Italian pilot model or Italian voices (save for mods) in the game then what is really the point of adding another Italian aircraft when there are many more planes that people would be interested in and can be used on many more maps?

 

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Jack, since we don’t have a North Africa map, an Italian pilot model or Italian voices (save for mods) in the game then what is really the point of adding another Italian aircraft when there are many more planes that people would be interested in and can be used on many more maps?

 

Good point. Though I must say that the Mc.200 has more of a reason to be in Moscow pilot career than the Mc.202 does. I think they should have done that plane instead.