Great Battles Future Third Party Collector Planes

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-110 F-2 - 10 Reasons why

• The Bf-110F was an important variant of the Bf-110 numerically speaking as about 500+ of them were made, and they made a significant impact on the air war over Europe and the Soviet Union too.  
• The F-2 would have a place in Stalingrad, Kuban and Normandy pilot career mode. It would be a good bomber destroyer, ground attack, anti ship and close air support aircraft. Also it would make pilot career more historically accurate.
• The F-2 would be relatively easy to make and not too time consuming for a large twin engine heavy fighter. If they could keep making aircraft similar to what they already have in the game they could make a lot of easy money.  
• The F-2 would also help add some variety to non-player controlled planes in Advanced Quick Mission Builder. For example instead of just escorting Bf-110 E-2s in the Stalingrad AQMB the could have F-2s as well which would give the mission a bit of a different look. 
• The F-2 would help bridge the evolutionary gap between the Bf-110 E-2 and G-2. This point might not be so much of a big deal but I think it would look nice as you scroll down the aircraft menu. 
• The F-2 was an upgrade compared to the E-2 as it offered better performance, upgraded engines, and enhanced armament. It was also a downgrade compared to the G-2 and wasn't as good of a night fighter, which I think would make things more of a challenge to fly. 
• The F-2 was lighter than the G-2, generated less drag than the G-2, had a better balance between fire power and agility, and it did not have the burden of carrying heavy armament, which would be useful in bomber destroying.  
• One F-2 actually survives in the  Deutsches Technikmuseum Berlin so from my understanding it would be relatively easy for the IL-2 team to study as opposed to having to all that trouble of digging up a heap of resources to make the plane as realistic as possible. 
• Pumping out new aircraft would keep Great Battles relevant for the near future. 
• It would appeal to Bf-110 fans and would make the game mean more to people whose ancestors flew the Bf-110 F-2.

[nesher666]

On 9/7/2024 at 11:15 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Anybody got any ideas for collector planes that Great Battles really needs? I'd be interested to hear them.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zPG4em

 

The ultimate Jug in the ETO.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, nesher666 said:

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zPG4em

 

The ultimate Jug in the ETO.

The P-47M would be cool to have.

[Jackfraser24]

We still need a lot more aircraft for IL-2 Great Battles.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10
• Bf-110 C-7
• Bf-110 F-2
• Do-217 E-1
• Do-217 M-1
• Fw-190 A-4
• Fw-190 A-9
• He-111 H-20
• He-162 A-1/2
• Ju-87 B-2
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-188 A/E
• Mc.200 Serie 7

Allies

• A-20G
• A-26B
• B-25D
• B-26B
• LaGG-3 Series 4
• LaGG-3 Series 66
• La-7
• P-38G
• P-38L
• P-39D
• P-39N
• P-39Q
• P-40M
• P-40N
• P-47 D-30
• P-47M
• P-47N
• Tomahawk Mk.IIa
• Tomahawk Mk.IIb
• Yak-3
• Yak-9D
• Yak-9U

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

On 4/21/2022 at 9:34 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Another question. At this stage do the development team have any interest in doing some more medium bombers like the Do-217, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, A-20G, Il-4, Tu-2, B-25D and B-26B, or would they rather spend their time and money investing in the new project?

[Aapje]

They'll make whatever planes they think will make Odessa and Korea sell, with a preference for easier to make planes. We already know that bombers generally do not fare the best in this kind of determination.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Aapje

[ITAF_Rani]

[Enceladus828]

20 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Another question. At this stage do the development team have any interest in doing some more medium bombers like the Do-217, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, A-20G, Il-4, Tu-2, B-25D and B-26B, or would they rather spend their time and money investing in the new project?

They're making the Tu-2 for Korea that's all we know. The A-20G is a maybe for Odessa but there are a lot of other planes I'd like to see first like the Bf-110F-2, P-39Q, IL-2M and Pe-3. At this point the He-111H-20 and Ju-188 are a dead horse.

 

15 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

With no Battle of Tunisia or Sicily I highly doubt we'll get anymore Italian planes. When you think about it was unfortunately a mistake to add the MC 202 because for starters no Italian voices were officially added and historically speaking the C.202 only did 17 sorties at Stalingrad before being withdrawn. My guess is that there was a tentative plan in 2015 to do a MTO installment after BoM and the C.202 would be the stepping stone for that but changed when LOFT left.

Edited September 16, 2024 by Enceladus828

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

They're making the Tu-2 for Korea that's all we know. The A-20G is a maybe for Odessa but there are a lot of other planes I'd like to see first like the Bf-110F-2, P-39Q, IL-2M and Pe-3. At this point the He-111H-20 and Ju-188 are a dead horse.

 

With no Battle of Tunisia or Sicily I highly doubt we'll get anymore Italian planes. When you think about it was unfortunately a mistake to add the MC 202 because for starters no Italian voices were officially added and historically speaking the C.202 only did 17 sorties at Stalingrad before being withdrawn. My guess is that there was a tentative plan in 2015 to do a MTO installment after BoM and the C.202 would be the stepping stone for that but changed when LOFT left.

Honestly I don’t know what is going to come next. We’ll see what comes. They might announce something big sometime in October.

[BraveSirRobin]

4 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Honestly I don’t know what is going to come next. We’ll see what comes. They might announce something big sometime in October.

They’re doing Korea.  They’re not announcing the next thing when they’re not even close to releasing Korea.

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

They’re doing Korea.  They’re not announcing the next thing when they’re not even close to releasing Korea.

I meant for Great Battles and Flying Circus.

[Jackfraser24]

Odessa 1941 Plane List

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4
• Bf-110 C-7
• Do-17 Z-2
• He-111 H-3
• Ju-87 B-2

Soviets

• IL2 Model 1940
• I-16 18 Series
• LaGG-3 Series 1
• SB-2
• Yak-1 Series 1

 

Edited September 19, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Odessa 1944 Suggested Plane List

Axis

• Bf-109 G-8
• Do-217 E-1
• Fw-190 A-4
• Ju-87 D-5
• Ju-88 A-14

Soviets

• A-20G
• IL-2 Model 1944
• La-7
• Tu-2
• Yak-3

Edited September 21, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

On 9/17/2024 at 12:29 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

I meant for Great Battles and Flying Circus.

 

Both of those things have also been announced 

[=BLW=Pablo]

On 8/23/2024 at 12:16 PM, GOA_Bf109Pilot_VR said:

Bf-109 G-10 for fill that gap between the G-14 and K4.

 

Fw-190 A9 for complete the 190 Family.

 

 

Regards.

 

Karaya.

 

There's more to the FW family.

 

 

 

The first seven FW190 A0 has shorter wings and a smaller, lighter engine.
I'd like to see it here.

 

Again, NO images with swastikas are permitted on these message boards. - mods

[Jackfraser24]

On 9/20/2024 at 6:58 AM, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Both of those things have also been announced 

I am well aware of the Karelia/Odessa module and of Flying Circus Vol. IV. All anyone knows is that beyond the I-153 all we know of for sure that is going to come out is the Yak-3 Series 9. The Development team in Brief Room Episode 3 back in Jan 2024 may have hinted that the La-7, Yak-3 and the Ju-87 D-5 were likely their next collector planes and are now ever since that the Yak-3 has been confirmed and that they were working on other aircraft, the latter two are likely in development. They mentioned in Dev Diary 365 that other planes are in the works besides the Yak-3. This could mean that VVS planes that fought in the Karelia and Odessa regions during 1944 could also include the A-20G, IL-2 Model 1944, Tu-2, Bf-110 F-2, Do-217 M-1, Fw-190 A-4, He-111 H-20 and the Ju-188 A-1 for their pilot career modes. Those planes could also have a use for Normandy and Bodenplatte pilot careers. They mentioned in Brief Room Episode 3 that the Tu-2 and Bf-110 F-2 as well as the Fw-190 A-9 and the IL-10 are possibilities. The Fw-190 A-9 and the IL-10 don't have a place in Great Battles though, or at least at the moment. You could argue that they meant that the latter four planes that I listed above are possible because they are possible to make, but they could say that about almost any fighter or bomber that is not too complex to build. Maybe a late war Eastern Front map might come into fruition one day before they halt development on Great Battles completely. If that is true they would have to scrape the barrel to make a list of ten aircraft. This is all purely just for speculation. 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone be interested in the Do-217 E-1 for the Eastern Front?

Edited September 24, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

Bf-109 G-6 Romanian Version

Why?

• Would appeal to Romanian audiences and ancestors of Romanians who flew in sorties in operations against Allied forces. It would commemorate history for them.
• Had some differences in performance compared to German built G-6s due to different manufacturing processes and using slightly different materials to make their G-6s. 
• The G-6 was an important fighter plane in the Romanian Air Force of WWII, and having a Romanian licence built G-6 would be a valuable plane to have in Odessa pilot career mode.
• The cockpit labels and signs were in Romanian which would help relate to Romanian audiences better.
• It would complement the IAR-80/81 nicely.

[Jackfraser24]

On 9/17/2024 at 5:22 AM, Enceladus828 said:

They're making the Tu-2 for Korea that's all we know. The A-20G is a maybe for Odessa but there are a lot of other planes I'd like to see first like the Bf-110F-2, P-39Q, IL-2M and Pe-3. At this point the He-111H-20 and Ju-188 are a dead horse.

Would you want the IL-2 dev team doing aircraft like the Yak-9D and U for Odessa and Karelia 1944? They were very important Yak-9 variants towards the end of the war. 

[Jackfraser24]

Do-217 M-1 - 10 Reasons Why

• The Do-217 M-1 would enhance Stalingrad and Kuban pilot career mode by filling in some of the gaps as a medium sized tactical bomber and would complement the He-111 and Ju-88 nicely. Also it would give us another type of bomber to shoot down. 
• The Do-217 M-1 would also have a place in pilot career on the Western Front, especially in Normandy when the Luftwaffe's bomber force was still operable. Many Do-217s, both belonging to the K and M variants were stationed in France during the Invasion of Normandy. 
• The Do-217 M-1 was fast (475 km/h at sea level; 560 km/h at 5,700 meters), had a good range (2,180 km) and offered pilots a good field of view thanks to it's fully glazed cockpit, similar to that of the He-111P and H. 
• I think it is time that IL-2 introduced a new family of aircraft into Great Battles. I think the sensation of shear novelty of introducing an all new plane rather than just another variant of an existing type will keep people interested in Great Battles. 
• The M-1 variant of the Do-217 was a numerically important variant. Out of nearly 2,000 Do-217s built, 438 (according to Wikipedia) were M-1s. So if they were going to cover any variant of the Do-217, I think that this would be the most appropriate. 
• If the Do-217 M-1 was going to be made I reckon that the DLC would also include the K-1 variant. The K-1 and M-1 were virtually the same aircraft just with different engines. This would increase its value as a collector plane. 
• The Do-217 M-1 would be a useful to have in a multiplayer battle. It had a maximum bomb load of 4,000 kilograms, which over half of it could be stored internally. A whole wave of these bombers could do a lot of damage to your enemy. 
• The Do-217 M-1 would appeal to players whose ancestors flew them during the war, those who prefer the Do-217 over the Ju-88 and He-111, or people in general who just like the look of the plane, or is impressed with its performance. 
• There are still quite a few European Axis aircraft left out of the game that I think should be in it. I understand that they cannot do them all, and that they don't need to, but I think that the importance of the Do-217 in the Luftwaffe cannot be ignored.
• The Do-217 K-1 (and K-2 for that matter) was in IL-2 1946 as an unplayable aircraft in the base game, and I am sure there are many who wish that the IL-2 team would make one for Great Battles. I know bombers take longer to make and and I appreciate and respect that fact. Just an idea though!

Edited October 8, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Docholiday]

In my Opinion a really new plane would be more interesting !

 

Not the 10th version of planes we have already in the game ..

 

My all time favourites would Be

 

-  Beaufighter X   (or 6c)

-  B-25 G (The Pacific Straffers)

-  A- 26 Invader

-  A-20G  (with straffer nose)

 

 

Cheers

 

Doc

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, Docholiday said:

In my Opinion a really new plane would be more interesting !

 

Not the 10th version of planes we have already in the game ..

 

My all time favourites would Be

 

-  Beaufighter X   (or 6c)

-  B-25 G (The Pacific Straffers)

-  A- 26 Invader

-  A-20G  (with straffer nose)

 

 

Cheers

 

Doc

A Beaufighter would be nice to have in Great Battles.

[Jackfraser24]

Do-217 E-4 - 10 Reasons Why

• The Do-217 E-4 was used extensively on the Eastern Front, so it would have a place in pilot career in modules such as Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban, Karelia and Odessa, which is where I think is really needed.  
• The Do-217 came in multiple variants (other the the Do-217K/M, the plane I suggested last) so I believe it would be rather important to have more than just one Do-217 in the game to represent the Do-217 family. 
• If the dev team were to make several Do-217 variants/sub-variants for Great Battles, the E-4 could be a good variant to start with because the E version was the first to be built, and was probably not as complex systems wise, and would be a good base model if they wanted to move onto other variants. 
• The Do-217 E-4 or E variant in general were very different to later models, with the most notable difference being the traditional shaped cockpit instead of having a glazed one, and performances were different too. 
• The Do-217 E-4 was a tried and true level bomber without any dive breaks. It would be good to have another German bomber with a traditional un-glazed cockpit and for some people not have to worry about having to dive-bomb in pilot career. 
• The Do-217 E-4 was similar to it's predecessor E Sub-variants the E-1, E-2 and E-3 and it's successor sub-variants as well. My point here is is that they could sell this version of the Do-217 collector plane collectively as the Do-217E, which would increase it's value. 
• The Do-217 E-4, along with other variants of the sharpened versions of the "flying pencil" are in War Thunder. I understand that Gaijin Entertainment has a bigger budget and a bigger fan base, but I believe that IL-2 would do a better job representing the Do-217 in combat flight simulation. 
• The Do-217 E-4 were built in relatively great numbers (500+), so this was also a numerically important subvariant of the Do-217E. And it was a nice looking version of the Do-217. Therefore all the more reason. 
• It would appeal to players whose ancestors flew the Do-217E during the war, fans of the Do-217E or players who want to just have something new to fly in Great Battles, which I think having new aircraft are important to keep the hype up around IL-2. 
• I don't know much about economics or business but I think that making the Do-217 E-4 would help bring in more revenue. 

[Avimimus]

It is worth adding that the E4 was used earlier and persisted until the withdrawal of the Do-217 (alongside the later M and K which were optimised for night bombing and/or altitude). It is also interesting due to its high wing loading - in contrast the Ju-188 has a smaller bombload, should be easier (if less interesting) to fly, has a stronger defensive armament, and a better view from the cockpit.

[=BLW=Pablo]

I think the Romanian He-112s would make a great pair with the IAR 80.

 

[LukeFF]

Guys, let's be clear here: at this point any of these GB collector planes you want would have to be initiated by a third-party team. All work on any new planes by our modelers is going into Korea and then the Pacific, not GB.

[Jackfraser24]

3 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Guys, let's be clear here: at this point any of these GB collector planes you want would have to be initiated by a third-party team. All work on any new planes by our modelers is going into Korea and then the Pacific, not GB.

Will aircraft for the Karelia map need to be made by third party developers too? 

[LukeFF]

Yes

[=BLW=Pablo]

6 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes

Is there any possibility of seeing an AVG (Flying Tigers) in the Pacific?

 

[LukeFF]

11 minutes ago, =BLW=Pablo said:

Is there any possibility of seeing an AVG (Flying Tigers) in the Pacific?

 

Anything is of course theoretically possible in the new series. 

[Aapje]

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Yes

 

I assume that this only refers to the 3D-modelling, but 1CGS would then still make the flight model, right?

[LukeFF]

6 hours ago, Aapje said:

I assume that this only refers to the 3D-modelling, but 1CGS would then still make the flight model, right?

 

Yes, all flight modeling is done in house. 

[Jackfraser24]

On 10/12/2024 at 3:59 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Anything is of course theoretically possible in the new series. 

I am sorry I was going on about new aircraft  for Great Battles. It was something I just liked to do in my spare time. If you don’t want me to do it anymore, I’ll stop doing it in this thread. I listened to what they had to say in the brief room 11 and they’ve made it pretty clear that Great Battles is finished. I appreciate now the amount of work, time and resources that they are dedicating to this new project, and that it takes such a long time and a lot of people’s dedication to make these planes. 

[LukeFF]

Nah, it's fine to talk about stuff like this, but I just wanted to step in and let everyone know that development for GB is winding down. 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Nah, it's fine to talk about stuff like this, but I just wanted to step in and let everyone know that development for GB is winding down. 

I understand. IL-2 must keep up with the times if they were to compete with other games like War Thunder, DCS and Combat Pilot. The game building technology they have for Great Battles is outdated, or that’s at least what I got from Briefing Room 11. But hats off to them for making it all work! But I guess they have to move on now. 

[ITAF_Rani]

4 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Nah, it's fine to talk about stuff like this, but I just wanted to step in and let everyone know that development for GB is winding down. 

The future of IL2 GB, is in our hands now....start to think wich people can help to develop planes and maps and show them to Devs..this is the only way to give future at this sim...

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

This could be a great chance for people with talent and passion for aviation and history for squeeze if devs allow and support, for make third party modules, planes, objects, etc, because IL2 Great Battles has s great potential as WW2 definitive Flight Simulator, many of us will want to remain on ww2 simulation rather than The Korean War, a simulation war that will be stuck on F86 and Mig 15 only.

 

I hope that someday IL2 GB will be full of planes, modules, etc as IL2 1946 on his golden days.

 

Regards.

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

4 hours ago, GOA_SinVaselina_VR said:

I hope that someday IL2 GB will be full of planes, modules, etc as IL2 1946 on his golden days.

 

Regards.

 

 

I hope you’re right about this.

[Jackfraser24]

12 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

The future of IL2 GB, is in our hands now....start to think wich people can help to develop planes and maps and show them to Devs..this is the only way to give future at this sim...

In that case the crowd that is making the Karelia map really should make this list of planes.

• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Buffalo Mk.I
• Do-17 Z-2
• D.XXI Sarja
• Gladiator Mk.II
• G.50
• Hawk 81 A-2
• Morko Morane

 

[ITAF_Rani]

5 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

In that case the crowd that is making the Karelia map really should make this list of planes.

• Blenheim Mk.IV
• Buffalo Mk.I
• Do-17 Z-2
• D.XXI Sarja
• Gladiator Mk.II
• G.50
• Hawk 81 A-2
• Morko Morane

 

The Devs will not  develop other planes for IL2, they were clear about that...

All what the ll do is to assist the 3rd parts.

Devs are focused on developing Korea and Pacific.

Edited October 14, 2024 by ITAF_Rani