(Closed)TAW BASIC BOMBER CAREER SUPPORT POLL

[E69_Zelar]

¡¡¡(The developments had been accelerated, so we move our efforts to the link down here)(thanks to all the supporters, more than 100, of this  proposal)!!!

?                          ?                                ?

 

If you like level bombing,

if you like shooting down levelbombers

if you like from time to time two hours of flying with colleagues in these immersive server.

 

- First, we’ll try to collect the maximum upvotes for the idea.

- Second, transmit the proposal to the TAW admins.

- Third, try to find the optimal solution.

Thanks to all!

Edited May 18, 2021 by E69_Gote

[E69_Falke_Wolf]

One Here!

[E69_Lefra]

you Got my vote! 

[72AGk_Maiskiy_Juk]

Gote. 

I will publish your proposal on the Russian forum.

[Norz]

+1. I saw no one bomber at all.

[E69_Matoo]

You have my vote

[=AD=Str1ke]

For bombers only bomber line, not bad idea to discuss.

[Bird]

I do agree, I think a bomber only line would be worthwhile

[JG4_Widukind]

should be Bomber and Me110

[E69_Falke_Wolf]

10 minutes ago, JG4_Widukind said:

should be Bomber and Me110

Yeah sure, or IL-2 for Reds. We are not talking about blues only. There are Bomber pilots in both sides and some pilots fly blue and red.

[Pict]

• Bomber only
• Attacker only
• Fighter only

Would be worth a try and must be more historically accurate? The training argument falls apart when you arrive at the front, no?

 

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A transfer / posting feature could be a possibility too. Apply for a transfer yourself and if one is available you get a different plane set / or get posted because there are openings elsewhere and you have proved ineffective with the plane set you have.

 

Just a few thoughts...

 

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35 minutes ago, JG4_Widukind said:

should be Bomber and Me110

 

23 minutes ago, E69_Falke_Wolf said:

Yeah sure, or IL-2 for Reds. We are not talking about blues only. There are Bomber pilots in both sides and some pilots fly blue and red.

 

I wouldn't change what we have now for either of these suggestions. A bomber is a bomber and neither the 110 nor the IL-2 fit that category.

 

If it is to change at all it should be for the better, not just an underhand way to hobble the Pe-2 as usual 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Pict

[LLv44_Oke]

U got mine too...dedicated specialist...ju-88

 

[Antiguo]

level bomber specialist......... HE111, JU88, PE2, A20 ... Red and Blue 

Whether we fly German or Allied, we need a dedicated line of bombers.

 

To Cesar what belongs to Cesar, to bomber pilots, bomber planes.

 

Thank you

Edited May 17, 2021 by ALA13_Antiguo

[Fritz_Faber]

? ?

 

Yes bomber line please (He111, Ju88, Pe2, A20). 

And attacker/ground attacker (Me110, IL2 ... Ju88 ?, Pe2 ? ) would be fine.

 

And don't forget, such pilots had completed around 20 months of training and 220 to 270 hours of flight when arriving front.

So there is no reason for basic training. They should - historical correct - begin their career with these planes.

[=KG76=flyus747]

13 hours ago, E69_Gote said:

Please, upvote and support these poll if you want a new bomber basic career line for next taw.

If you like level bombing,

if you like shooting down levelbombers

if you like from time to time two hours of flying with colleagues in these immersive server.

 

- First, we’ll try to collect the maximum upvotes for the idea.

- Second, transmit the proposal to the TAW admins.

- Third, try to find the optimal solution.

Glad to see this is picking up momentum.

 

How does this sound?

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by =KG76=flyus747
Format

[Udmurt]

Thumbs up, definitely.

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

Thanks for the survey, many of us enjoy escorting our high altitude bombers! You have my vote

[E69_geramos109]

It is a good Idea. Bomber pilots do not like to fly as a fighter to get a bomber. I guess it is frustrating for the people who do not like fighters.

[Ala13_Junge]

Con mi voto también

[Ala13_Merodeador]

+1

[E69_PuppenDoktor]

+1

[Ala13_Charlie_]

+1

 

[E69_Hans_luchs]

+1

[JG4_Thibaut]

4 hours ago, =KG76=flyus747 said:

Glad to see this is picking up momentum.

 

How does this sound?

 

 

In my opinion it is a good approach for having bombers available like this. Still I'd like to suggest another small change, that could also be used for HS-129, and this would be leaving off the plus one at the end. So that you have to work earning some CPs in case of losing it to be able to fly it again, but you should always start with one in the hangar after dying/registering.

Edited May 17, 2021 by JG4_Thibaut

[SCG_Wulfe]

I like the idea, and (as a fighter pilot) I do think that something needs to be done to allow bombers to fly bombers from the start... but I am unconvinced regarding he111 being pitted against a pe2 as a basic bomber. Especially in the early maps, I think we would see even faster map rolls by the reds with this plane set. The He111 excels at level bombing factories... but the Pe2 is a ground-target-destructor-extraordinaire.

Edited May 17, 2021 by SCG_Wulfe

[JG1_Vonrd]

I haven't flown the current iteration of TAW for this reason (as well as personal time limitations TBH) and I heartily add my upvote.

 

+1

[=KG76=flyus747]

27 minutes ago, SCG_Wulfe said:

I like the idea, and (as a fighter pilot) I do think that something needs to be done to allow bombers to fly bombers from the start... but I am unconvinced regarding he111 being pitted against a pe2 as a basic bomber. Especially in the early maps, I think we would see even faster map rolls by the reds with this plane set. The He111 excels at level bombing factories... but the Pe2 is a ground-target-destructor-extraordinaire.

The basic Bombers will have many locked loadouts that prevent them from becoming their full potential.

 

On top of Basic Bombers, a new way to calculate aircraft should be implemented.

 

For instance, 

 

Every bomber lost = -5 total aircraft

Every attacker lost = -2 total aircraft

Every fighter lost = -1 total aircraft

 

OR

 

Specify the availability of each type of aircraft.

Blues only have 400 He 111s

450 109s etc...

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

The high altitude bombers would only be available in the rear bases, they are usually long flights, and premeditated, calculating well the objective / flight time, and if their branch is that specific they can always fly their bomber. I hope this proposal goes ahead, not all of us like to fly a Berloga 2.0

Edited May 17, 2021 by Ala13_UnopaUno_VR

[JG5_Schuck]

I think  its a great idea, 
But i would like to see a dedicated bomber/fighter/attacker career line....
I mean bombers are hardly the threat that say the IL2 is, its just a pity we don't have an SB2 in game or the I15.

[1./LW_LesGrossman]

+1

Edited May 17, 2021 by CSW_Karlos

[C-47A]

7 hours ago, =KG76=flyus747 said:

Glad to see this is picking up momentum.

 

How does this sound?

 

 

I only see basic? What about advanced/late bombers? Why make duplicate He 111 and Pe 2 lines to choose from that are limited in loadout (when you have Doppel-Blitz and Peshka Bober).

I think rather it should be split it into three categories that are unlocked via CP:

1. Basic (You start here, and when you die/captured this is where you return to)
2. Advanced (Need 16 CP to unlock: 16 CP total)
3. Late/Expert (Need another 16 CP to unlock: 32 CP total)

These can only be accessed if you choose a twin-engine bomber role, for everyone else they get basic Stuka and IL-2.

Here are the details of 3 bomber levels (with some justifications to the Pros and Cons that I know exist in these bombers):

 

Basic: (No modifications at all, limited loadouts)

 

Advanced: (Some modifications and more loadouts)

 

Late/Expert: (Everything unlocked)



There are many modifications and loadouts that developers gave us, but I rarely see any reason for anyone to use the crappy ones like 4x FAB 100M for Pe 2 Series 35 or not equipping the 20mm on He 111 H6. I recall the reason we have current planeset in TAW is because they wanted to breath some life into Stuka and IL-2, and rather stop the Ju 88 and Pe 2 spam.

How about we have some life breathed into the bomber loadouts that rarely get used because you always have better ones accessible.

 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Saumbritter
typo and conclusion

[JG1_Vonrd]

Hopefully LG won't be too much sticklers about the change procedure:

 

"Post your proposition as a Poll"

This thread isn't in the Polls section.

It's going to be a PITA to tabulate the upvote numbers.

Just sayin'

Edited May 17, 2021 by JG1_Vonrd

[Coldman]

IT is fine that way .everybody knows what is this about. This plane set proposal looks good but he 111 Basic should have locked loadout with 16*50 because IT is very efective loadout. Im more for giving ITa 4X250 kg and to peshka 6*100 kg.

Edited May 18, 2021 by =LG=Coldman

[-DED-22GvIAD_Koschey]

15 часов назад, E69_Gote сказал:

Please, upvote ✅ or ? and support these poll if you want a new bomber basic career line for next taw.

If you like level bombing,

if you like shooting down levelbombers

if you like from time to time two hours of flying with colleagues in these immersive server.

 

- First, we’ll try to collect the maximum upvotes for the idea.

- Second, transmit the proposal to the TAW admins.

- Third, try to find the optimal solution.

The offer is very good. Since I specialize in a Line - Bomber. In general, 22GvIAD is mostly linemen. The pilots are almost all with problems in real life. Therefore, this specialization is chosen. And a Server without a Bomber Lineman is like a cake without a cherry. Without them, it is sad and there is no variety. I support this proposal on behalf of all 22GvIAD pilots.

[22GvIAD_Butch]

✅

[E69_Zelar]

All suggestions have something relevant.

We’ll have to find the balance point, in the easiest way that requires minor changes.

For what I have read till now, my opinion is that it could be a basic bomber with the less dangerous payload, only available at rear airfields, and limited in number per pilot.

 

But this is a long-distance race, we ought to achieve 200 supporters ^_^  first, and persuade admins that is good for TAW Server, and maybe in the next Edition it could be implemented.

(Who knows)

 

Thanks to all

Edited May 18, 2021 by E69_Gote

[Blakhart]

Thanks for Your feedback, read my 1st post and then make voting  .

That's how You guys should later make the RCP. 
It's easier to count votes and analyse it later.
 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by =LG=Blakhart

[=SF=Herr_Ben]

+1