Tactical Air War,vote for changes of basic planeset on next war

[=/Hospiz/=MetalHead]

How about getting back to the old system altogether, like in previous editions?

[CSW_Hot_Dog]

So TAW is over, its time to evaluate. After last TAW edition in February, we were asked to fill up some survey. I will post my answers here again, with red pinpointed some interesting passages, because i think some(particular)body did exactly opposite, which lead to the MOST PILOTS-EMPTY (EASTERN FRONT) TAW CAMPAIGN EVER!

 

I was flying second half of current TAW campaign on almost empty server during EU Prime Time! Think about that... So maybe, its time to change some decisions and attitudes...

 

So if I may...

On 2/8/2021 at 1:42 PM, =LG=Blakhart said:

How`s your opinions about the edition???

• Stereotype
• empty server

What is motivating you to participate in TAW project ? Online war system/realistic gameplay/ realistic settings/ emotions / stats /something else ???

• Online dynamic war, realism, difficulty, hardcore...

Do you like the idea of historical50%-balanced50% planeset line unlocked by points ( squadron lines or individual lines)?

• Historical means also historical in numbers, so plane set would never be 100% historical, so yes, some balance is needed.
• Squadrons hangar is good idea, individual hangar for those without squad or if they choose
• Unlocking by points answered in separete question

How to invite more people to TAW ( mostly red side) to keep the teams even most of the time? 

• I dont know, but on ETO red side is most of the time underdog (which is historicaly correct), on the WTO german side should be underdog and definitely is not. Encourage people flying worse planes by advantaged them, even cross side (blue/red)

What you think about using the same AAA/other obj in blue/red objects so there will be no doubts about balance ???

• No, balance it somehow else

Do you like idea of collecting  points for new, better planes ?

• No, it will open the scissors even more
• Instead encourage people to fly worse plane by some kind of advantage (points, ranks, CMs, etc)

How often you leave the server because you run out of planes ?

• Not often lately myself, but should not be more difficult, because many do...

Do you have any motivation for attacking the ground targets or you just prefer to defend targets and hang at high alt ?

• Im fighter, barely climb over clouds, only if forced by other mates
• Ground attack doesnt satisfy me, but i provide cover for attackers with pleasure
• Again, flying behind enemy line or over hot areas, making dirty job should somehow be reflected in points, rankings, CMs, etc...

Do you like limitation system, balancing the game when one of the team have more players ?

• Yes

How often you fly transport  to recive +1CM ?

• 0 for last three TAWs, but doesnt mean it is easy to maintain hangar, should not be even more difficult.

What was bad in this season?

• Many 262 flying around untouchably in absolutelly unrealistic way, should be much more restricted
• Also pain of all previos WTO TAWs
• Do not understand me wrong, I want to see 262 in the sky, but that should be rarity as IRL, not certainty every second sortie like now
• We have to have opportunity to shot them down like IRL during Land, Take Off, etc. With numbers on the server, we dont have that opportunity like IRL

Whats are the strongest points of this server ??

• Realism, Difficulty, HardCore

What is the biggest problem of TAW campaigns ???

• Less and less pilots flying TAW
• Stereotype

Do you like realistic settings without technochat ?

• Yes

Edited June 14, 2021 by CSW_Hot_Dog

[E69_Falke_Wolf]

21 hours ago, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

......because i think some(particular)body did exactly opposite, which lead to the MOST PILOTS-EMPTY (EASTERN FRONT) TAW CAMPAIGN EVER!

 

..... Think about that... So maybe, its time to change some decisions and attitudes...

Completely agree.

It doesn't seem to make sense to ask for suggestions if decisions are made in exactly the opposite direction. TAW developers may have to decide what kind of server and competition they want to have in the future.

Regarding some attitudes .... I think they are definitely NOT helping too much.

[NoMercy20]

New diplomas from insiders

[Prox1EE]

14 часов назад, NoMercy20 сказал:

New diplomas from insiders

This thing -  the best one from last season :D. Great job dude!

[RedKestrel]

2 hours ago, iFollow said:

This thing -  the best one from last season :D. Great job dude!

I mean, it could even be real. With the forum thread permanently closed who would know?

Is the discord still up though? I thought it had been closed but haven't tried to get on it for a month or so.

[Prox1EE]

20 минут назад, RedKestrel сказал:

I mean, it could even be real. With the forum thread permanently closed who would know?

Is the discord still up though? I thought it had been closed but haven't tried to get on it for a month or so.

What do you mean? That is blackhart was flying on WoL w/o rearplate and other stuff? This is true lol 

[JG4_Deciman]

On 6/14/2021 at 1:46 PM, CSW_Hot_Dog said:

So TAW is over, its time to evaluate. After last TAW edition in February, we were asked to fill up some survey. I will post my answers here again, with red pinpointed some interesting passages, because i think some(particular)body did exactly opposite, which lead to the MOST PILOTS-EMPTY (EASTERN FRONT) TAW CAMPAIGN EVER!

 

I was flying second half of current TAW campaign on almost empty server during EU Prime Time! Think about that... So maybe, its time to change some decisions and attitudes...

 

 

 

 

I thinks it's time for the responsible admins (TAW) to reopen the discussion board
and see what their customers have to report about their personal experiance during that campaign.

 

For me I can only say:

I made no experiance (didn't fly)

But I analysed what was going on (and I will not post anything about my results)

 

Now it's time for the 'hoster' (and only for the hoster) to analyse, ask, listen and change...

 

Deci

[RedKestrel]

6 minutes ago, iFollow said:

What do you mean? That is blackhart was flying on WoL w/o rearplate and other stuff? This is true lol 

Oh man, LOL!

I just meant it could actually be  an actual official award given out for TAW this time around and no one would know for sure because everything seems to be super seekrit. Hasn't there always been a big masterpost of who got what digital awards for the season?

 

Right now the website is password-locked, and the forum thread is locked. So who knows what's going on.

 

As far as what the server should do:

Maybe what needs to happen is simplification. What are the key things that are really important for the server? My opinion: 
-server is 'hardcore', so highest realism settings. Cue the tech chat debates, lol.
-pilot's actions influence the war as a whole. Their actions aren't just towards winning one mission. The campaign system accomplishes this. It can be tweaked back and forth but so long as there is a persistent system that is what matters.  
-survival has big benefits, not just in the score but in what planes you can fly and how often. The system for earning planes and limiting lives encourages people to be more careful and discourages suicide missions (though sometimes the suicide mission is the best thing for winning the war, so there is a bit of contradiction in motivation)
-Pilots are encouraged to fly together and work as a team. Targets that are well defended and well-structured encourage this.

Greater complexity doesn't necessarily make things more hardcore. The biggest thing that makes this game hardcore is fighting against skilled players at high realism settings. No amount of extra rules will make shooting me down any more engaging for the average ace.

All the rules increase the workload for the server devs, increase time needed to test, and each one can have unintended consequences.

 

So I think the server should go back to the normal 3 lives per map, 3 CM = 1 new plane, and let people choose which plane types return first. OR have a career line and people have to choose bombers, attackers, or fighters and they only get those types. 1 CM is any mission with targets destroyed or a certain amount of time in flight. Yeah, people will exploit it, but people always find a way to exploit things, its an endless arms race to find rules that can't be loopholed and its not worth it IMO. 
 

[[U99]OttoU99]

Be sure to turn it on - the mouse - veterans won't notice, beginners should!

 

IMHO-what server should be.
1). Strictly historical - (as it really was) - there is no balance of power - or there are documents in the studio for disputes ..
2). Only 3 lives for all time! Until the end of the missions.
3). The main priority is life - the longer you live, the higher the ranks - up to generals and higher.
4).Constant coverage in (press) (military newsreels) of the composition of the living, their titles and exploits!
5). No garages and no restrictions on historical aviation - the main thing is that you are alive - you will be honored and praised!
6). Be sure to turn it on - the mouse - veterans won't notice, beginners should!
7). Missions for 4 hours 30 minutes +, possibly special operations.
8). Separately award and confer titles to pilots and tankers for shooting down Virpil with the rank (general and above) - maximum ovation!
9). Explain to the beginner what exactly can be turned, here and now the course of history is reversed! Such a time machine ..

Edited July 1, 2021 by [U99]OttoU99

[JFS4_Eisbaer]

The TAW version from 1941.
When balancing and planeset still fit.
 

 

[RedKestrel]

2 hours ago, [U99]OttoU99 said:

Be sure to turn it on - the mouse - veterans won't notice, beginners should!

 

IMHO-what server should be.
1). Strictly historical - (as it really was) - there is no balance of power - or there are documents in the studio for disputes ..
2). Only 3 lives for all time! Until the end of the missions.
3). The main priority is life - the longer you live, the higher the ranks - up to generals and higher.
4).Constant coverage in (press) (military newsreels) of the composition of the living, their titles and exploits!
5). No garages and no restrictions on historical aviation - the main thing is that you are alive - you will be honored and praised!
6). Be sure to turn it on - the mouse - veterans won't notice, beginners should!
7). Missions for 4 hours 30 minutes +, possibly special operations.
8). Separately award and confer titles to pilots and tankers for shooting down Virpil with the rank (general and above) - maximum ovation!
9). Explain to the beginner what exactly can be turned, here and now the course of history is reversed! Such a time machine ..

Missions lasting that long are more likely to crash the server, which can undo player's hard work and require work from the admins.
Only 3 lives for all time means that the campaign will simply dwindle as fewer and fewer players survive. What percentage of players make it past the end of map 1 without losing three lives? It would only get worse from there.

 

And for turning on mouse control...I'm not sure that would matter? Even if beginners knew about TAW if they had to try and fly against the local experts with mouse control and only 3 lives, they would be eliminated pretty quickly. I imagine it would be more frustrating than anything. Although there is probably no harm to it.

 

[[U99]OttoU99]

5 часов назад, RedKestrel сказал:

Missions lasting that long are more likely to crash the server, which can undo player's hard work and require work from the admins.
Only 3 lives for all time means that the campaign will simply dwindle as fewer and fewer players survive. What percentage of players make it past the end of map 1 without losing three lives? It would only get worse from there.

 

And for turning on mouse control...I'm not sure that would matter? Even if beginners knew about TAW if they had to try and fly against the local experts with mouse control and only 3 lives, they would be eliminated pretty quickly. I imagine it would be more frustrating than anything. Although there is probably no harm to it.

 

IMHO 

Now the most popular and massive server "Finnish VirtualPilots - Dynamic War"
missions for 4 hours 30 minutes and the mouse is on!
The biggest mistake of the authors of Tactical Air War - trying to please everyone, both red and blue - is impossible!
Only historical documents are true!
Forget about balance! This is a war simulator, not a tournament!
Three lives for everything is a powerful incentive to test yourself and believe in yourself!
It's like the best gladiator, where all the spectators look at you with admiration and applause!
There is a law of life - against the best rival there is always a daredevil who wants to become the best!
War is about staying alive and killing the enemy. True heroes will remain in our hearts!
There will be many newbies who want to fly too! You don't even need to register in advance!
The server will never be empty as long as there are the best on the server!
IMHO 

[[U99]OttoU99]

Here's an example - all 3 lives ..=2ndSS=Lawyer1 

Off to gulag now

Сейчас в ГУЛАГ..

20 часов назад, [U99]OttoU99 сказал:

IMHO 

Three lives for everything is a powerful incentive to test yourself and believe in yourself!
IMHO 

 

[Pict]

23 hours ago, [U99]OttoU99 said:

IMHO

 

Do you have a special keyboard the only writes in bold or red?

[[U99]OttoU99]

1 час назад, Pict сказал:

 

У вас есть специальная клавиатура, которая пишет только жирным или красным цветом?

 

[Pict]

@[U99]OttoU99Like everything else you have posted, that made zero sense, regardless of how you frame it or use bold or red characters.

 

If you prefer another server, go an fly on it. No need to be rude to those who provide a server for free, even if doesn't appeal to you.

[Chivas_Regal]

19 hours ago, [U99]OttoU99 said:

Here's an example - all 3 lives ..=2ndSS=Lawyer1 

Off to gulag now

Сейчас в ГУЛАГ..

 

I was able to survive in the last season of TAW only because my flight time was very small, only about 40 hours. In previous seasons, where my flight time was more than 100 hours, I died much more often. In general, I'm a bad role model)

[JG4_Matthias]

19 hours ago, Pict said:

@[U99]OttoU99Wie alles andere, was Sie gepostet haben, machte das keinen Sinn, unabhängig davon, wie Sie es einrahmen oder fette oder rote Zeichen verwenden.

 

Wenn Sie einen anderen Server bevorzugen, fliegen Sie darauf. Sie müssen nicht unhöflich zu denen sein, die einen Server kostenlos zur Verfügung stellen, auch wenn es Sie nicht anspricht.

 

 

the taw is not free, we donated for it, but that was quickly forgotten

 

 

[Pict]

7 minutes ago, JG4_Matthias said:

the taw is not free, we donated for it, but that was quickly forgotten

 

TAW is and has always been free to participate in.

 

Donations are not obligatory by definition, nor do they afford anyone the right to be rude to the TAW hosts. Voicing an opinion is one thing, being rude is another thing entirely.

 

[KG200_Ikaros78]

Tactical war is ended, official forum page locked and no news about ending results and etc.

It seems that something went wrong and TAW is abandoned.

What a pity, to have such a successful campaign for so many years, and suddenly some serious gameplay changes to grave it..