can we get more realistic looking optic vision?

[NoelGallagher]

this is the look through the various ww2 tank optics

 

as you can see if you look through the optic it becomes a little bit blurry and also if light enters though the scope it affects the view

 

also the edge around the optic becomes distorted (because optic itself is curved)

 

but in the current game the visual of "looking through the optic" doesn't give you any sense or feeling of looking through the optic

 

since "tank crew" is the most up to date tank sim 

 

i thought it would be nice to see this kind of realistic effect in this tank simulation

 

BTW it's god damn hard to find the actual picture of "looking through ww2 tank the optic"

Edited May 10, 2021 by NoelGallagher

[MajorMagee]

Keep in mind that most of the available images like this are taken through vintage sights that have not aged gracefully. Additionally, the very act of taking a photo through a gun sight is extremely difficult to get right because of the need to perfectly align and match the eye distance with the camera's lens system. (Try combining binoculars or a telescope with a camera some time) Most of the time these shots were simply trying to capture the reticle pattern for posterity, and weren't intent on faithfully representing the user experience of looking through the sight.

[NoelGallagher]

 

3 hours ago, MajorMagee said:

Keep in mind that most of the available images like this are taken through vintage sights that have not aged gracefully. Additionally, the very act of taking a photo through a gun sight is extremely difficult to get right because of the need to perfectly align and match the eye distance with the camera's lens system. (Try combining binoculars or a telescope with a camera some time) Most of the time these shots were simply trying to capture the reticle pattern for posterity, and weren't intent on faithfully representing the user experience of looking through the sight.

well i have my own experience of looking through binoculars and rifle scope(which both are based on same basic technology as tank optic)

and it doesn't look as clear as you can see with your bear eyes 

and it shouldn't be same of course 

because you are literally looking at the light that reflected upon multiple lenses

in my own experience the 2nd image on the post are most clear example of how it looks and feels like by looking through the optic

it makes you feel like your eye itself became a camera

it generate the illusion of such as like depth of field effect 

just like when you photograph something through the lenses

there's also some kind volumetric curved sense that which distort the image of edge around the circle 

the best example are this 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by NoelGallagher

[[SN]_Reaper_]

I agree, now there is no difference when we look through the "eyes" of the commander or through the sight lenses. A black mask and reticle scales are simply added.

The British, after studying the Pz.4 tank, noted that
 

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the sight field of the sight was 23.5 °, but with a caveat: the closer to the edge of the lens, the worse the target is seen. Good visibility was only in the middle, in the 8 ° range. The transparency left much to be desired: the scope transmitted about 20% of the incoming light.

 

[NoelGallagher]

2 minutes ago, dragon_7611 said:

I agree, now there is no difference when we look through the "eyes" of the commander or through the sight lenses. A black mask and reticle scales are simply added.

The British, after studying the Pz.4 tank, noted that
 

 

exactly it feels like you are just seeing the outside of the tank with the added black mask and reticle scales on it

i wouldn't suggest this kind of detail if this was just realsitic ww2 fps

but it's a tank simulation 

i think dev's could do more than this although i absolutely appreciate the incredible details of exterior of the tank

 

[moustache]

Mmmh, let's not ask for too much stuff ... we get too much hope and then we are disappointed ...

[NoelGallagher]

8 minutes ago, moustache said:

Mmmh, let's not ask for too much stuff ... we get too much hope and then we are disappointed ...

i think we deserve this much of detail with the price we have paid for the sim

and also GAZ AA has crew animation

we need animation for tank crew too

i'm sure the dev's will keep improving the sim

new DVD tech was very refreshing and amazing 

i think this tank sim needs some distinctive feature apart from what anyone can do(post scriptum armour) or what has been already done(steel fury,red orchestra2 tank) to justify it's price 

and i think DVD tech is just a start of this great journey 

i believe that dev's will eventually make this tank crew as one of the best ww2 tank sim ever made

Edited May 10, 2021 by NoelGallagher

[moustache]

ah yes, that I agree, at 80 $ a game, I expected a thorough simulation ... in fact, it lacks a number of details, processes, gameplay ... but when you see the updates, it's mostly focused on planes ... Tank Crew is only an optional DLC ... let's look at some bugs, present for a year or more ... I loved that Tank Crew is expanding , but clearly, if that happens, I think we will have to go back to the cash register ...

[LachenKrieg]

4 hours ago, dragon_7611 said:

I agree, now there is no difference when we look through the "eyes" of the commander or through the sight lenses. A black mask and reticle scales are simply added.

The British, after studying the Pz.4 tank, noted that
 

 

 

4 hours ago, NoelGallagher said:

exactly it feels like you are just seeing the outside of the tank with the added black mask and reticle scales on it

i wouldn't suggest this kind of detail if this was just realsitic ww2 fps

but it's a tank simulation 

i think dev's could do more than this although i absolutely appreciate the incredible details of exterior of the tank

 

Don't forget that the German sights were an improvement over their Russian counterparts. But if you compare the riffle gun sight video above, its similar to what we have in-game in terms of quality.

[JG1_Vonrd]

I wonder if your neighbors realize that they are being targeted...  ?

[[SN]_Reaper_]

3 hours ago, LachenKrieg said:

Don't forget that the German sights were an improvement over their Russian counterparts.

This is a rather controversial statement.

 

3 hours ago, LachenKrieg said:

But if you compare the riffle gun sight video above, its similar to what we have in-game in terms of quality.

Here are two screenshots.

This is what the commander sees when he leans out of the hatch.

 

And this is how the gunner sees through the sight

 

Imitation of "glass" is made only for viewing devices, but not for sights.

[LachenKrieg]

3 hours ago, dragon_7611 said:

This is a rather controversial statement.

 

Here are two screenshots.

This is what the commander sees when he leans out of the hatch.

 

And this is how the gunner sees through the sight

 

Imitation of "glass" is made only for viewing devices, but not for sights.

I didn't mean to insult anyone's national pride. I am going only by what I have read, and some of the accounts are from Russian personnel that were able to use the gun sights of captured vehicles. But the point was not to highlight which country had better equipment, it was to point out that if the Dev's were to add some type of effect to the gun sight to make it appear more historically accurate, it would make sense that they would do the same for all vehicles. And from what I heard, there were differences between the German and Russian sights used. It could add another unique dynamic to the game I suppose.

 

The gun sight image your using to compare has no magnification. If you zoom the gun sight to max, you get something pretty close to what you see in the riffle video. The biggest difference between the portion of image the camera captures in the scope compared to the portion outside the scope view is that the scope is magnified. In image 1, both portions are almost in focus. In image 2, the portion outside the scope is out of focus, which is one of the issues mentioned by another poster above. In the Tank Crew gun sight image, it seems to be cropped because you don't see the blackout area at all.

 

 

Edited May 11, 2021 by LachenKrieg

[[SN]_Reaper_]

8 hours ago, LachenKrieg said:

The gun sight image your using to compare has no magnification.

I deliberately made screenshots with the same 31° angle of view (see the value in the upper right corner) to clearly show that there are no lenses in the sights ?

Edited May 11, 2021 by dragon_7611

[MajorMagee]

If we could locate the mask files in the right GTP then we may be able to mod the tint/vignetting/opacity to produce a different look. 

 

p.s. Finally got around to finding it! 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by MajorMagee

[LukeFF]

22 hours ago, dragon_7611 said:

This is a rather controversial statement.

 

Indeed. I have an original PU scope fitted to my M91/30 sniper rifle, and the clarity of the optics is every bit as good as anything else being made today. 

[moustache]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

En effet. J'ai une lunette PU d'origine installée sur mon fusil de précision M91 / 30, et la clarté de l'optique est tout aussi bonne que tout ce qui est fabriqué aujourd'hui. 

 

Mmmh ... "I played Cyberpunk 2077 and encountered absolutely no bugs ... so there are no bugs in the game ..." 

[NoelGallagher]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:27 AM, LachenKrieg said:

I didn't mean to insult anyone's national pride. I am going only by what I have read, and some of the accounts are from Russian personnel that were able to use the gun sights of captured vehicles. But the point was not to highlight which country had better equipment, it was to point out that if the Dev's were to add some type of effect to the gun sight to make it appear more historically accurate, it would make sense that they would do the same for all vehicles. And from what I heard, there were differences between the German and Russian sights used. It could add another unique dynamic to the game I suppose.

 

The gun sight image your using to compare has no magnification. If you zoom the gun sight to max, you get something pretty close to what you see in the riffle video. The biggest difference between the portion of image the camera captures in the scope compared to the portion outside the scope view is that the scope is magnified. In image 1, both portions are almost in focus. In image 2, the portion outside the scope is out of focus, which is one of the issues mentioned by another poster above. In the Tank Crew gun sight image, it seems to be cropped because you don't see the blackout area at all.

 

 

the zoom we have with the shift+mouse scroll is not a zoom we get with the tank optic 

both model of tiger and the panther presented inside the game didn't have any optic that can adjust the zoom

it's 2.5X fixed optic 

later model like tiger E or panther A had the optic that allows you to have further zoom up to 5X from fixed 2.5X