Request: Flare

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

Would someone be so kind and build me a Sherman, which would shoot a white flare every five seconds?

[unlikely_spider]

Sure. Here you go:

 

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

Well, that was funny. You do that for a living?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Well, what did you expect? It would cost me fifty times the time and effort to load the ME, load a map, create the game logic, save, upload to the forum, than it took you to write this post. Did you try to do it by yourself? What have you tried and where did it go wrong? What part of the necessary game logic do you not understand? I'd be glad to help you out if you have any specific questions, but it is my philosophy that it's better to teach people how to do things rather than do it for them, as otherwise I'll be stuck here forever doing menial things for other people like building flare-shooting tanks.

 

But again, if you have any questions on how to do it, I'll be very glad to help you out. As a show of good will, here's how you can accomplish what you want:

- Add a Sherman tank and make it a Linked Object.

- Add a Command Flare MCU and object-link it to the Sherman. Set its colour to white.

- Add two Trigger Timer MCUs (let's call them A and B).

- Set the combined total of A's and B's time to 5 seconds (so 0 and 5 would be fine, but also 2 and 3).

- Target-link A to B and B to A.

- Target-link A to the Command Flare MCU you created in step 2.

- Create a Translator Mission Start MCU and target-link it to B.

 

If there's anything still unclear, read JimTM's excellent manual, which you can find here:

If there's still anything unclear after that or you wonder why something is necessary or you wonder if there are better or alternative ways of doing things, just ask and I'm sure you'll find many people who want to help you

 

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

Well, that was educational. You do that for a living?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

Are you just here to make sarcastic comments and get other people to make your missions for you, or do you actually want help getting your tank to work?

[BladeMeister]

5 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

Sure. Here you go:

 

That's not a Sherman!

 

S!Blade<><

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Are you just here to make sarcastic comments and get other people to make your missions for you, or do you actually want help getting your tank to work?

I was here asking for a favor from someone, who knows how to use the editor and creates such groups without breaking a sweat.
I wasn't aware I should have listed all my failed attemps to create/modify one myself and not finding instructions from the two available ME guides or google searches in order to get help around here.

 

Thanks for the instructions.

[DN308]

On 5/5/2021 at 11:56 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, what did you expect? It would cost me fifty times the time and effort to load the ME, load a map, create the game logic, save, upload to the forum, than it took you to write this post. Did you try to do it by yourself? What have you tried and where did it go wrong? What part of the necessary game logic do you not understand? I'd be glad to help you out if you have any specific questions, but it is my philosophy that it's better to teach people how to do things rather than do it for them, as otherwise I'll be stuck here forever doing menial things for other people like building flare-shooting tanks.

 

But again, if you have any questions on how to do it, I'll be very glad to help you out. As a show of good will, here's how you can accomplish what you want:

- Add a Sherman tank and make it a Linked Object.

- Add a Command Flare MCU and object-link it to the Sherman. Set its colour to white.

- Add two Trigger Timer MCUs (let's call them A and B).

- Set the combined total of A's and B's time to 5 seconds (so 0 and 5 would be fine, but also 2 and 3).

- Target-link A to B and B to A.

- Target-link A to the Command Flare MCU you created in step 2.

- Create a Translator Mission Start MCU and target-link it to B.

 

If there's anything still unclear, read JimTM's excellent manual, which you can find here:

If there's still anything unclear after that or you wonder why something is necessary or you wonder if there are better or alternative ways of doing things, just ask and I'm sure you'll find many people who want to help you

 

Thanks for the lesson.

I still need to learn to link A to B and then B to A as a timed loop. 

I’m still stuck into using the MCUs as simple action triggers...

My bad.

[Jaegermeister]

On 5/5/2021 at 5:56 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, what did you expect? It would cost me fifty times the time and effort to load the ME, load a map, create the game logic, save, upload to the forum, than it took you to write this post. Did you try to do it by yourself? What have you tried and where did it go wrong? What part of the necessary game logic do you not understand? I'd be glad to help you out if you have any specific questions, but it is my philosophy that it's better to teach people how to do things rather than do it for them, as otherwise I'll be stuck here forever doing menial things for other people like building flare-shooting tanks.

 

But again, if you have any questions on how to do it, I'll be very glad to help you out. As a show of good will, here's how you can accomplish what you want:

- Add a Sherman tank and make it a Linked Object.

- Add a Command Flare MCU and object-link it to the Sherman. Set its colour to white.

- Add two Trigger Timer MCUs (let's call them A and B).

- Set the combined total of A's and B's time to 5 seconds (so 0 and 5 would be fine, but also 2 and 3).

- Target-link A to B and B to A.

- Target-link A to the Command Flare MCU you created in step 2.

- Create a Translator Mission Start MCU and target-link it to B.

 

If there's anything still unclear, read JimTM's excellent manual, which you can find here:

If there's still anything unclear after that or you wonder why something is necessary or you wonder if there are better or alternative ways of doing things, just ask and I'm sure you'll find many people who want to help you

 

 

I have to say you may have exaggerated about the fifty times the effort part. I followed your directions and it took me 5 minutes and 4 seconds to complete this...

 

 

I did skip the part about zipping it and uploading it though. I also accidentally deleted the file when I closed it. I hit do not save by mistake.

 

I also believe your logic is correct and should work just fine. Clean and simple.   

[Beebop]

Educational.  I never considered having two timers go back and forth like that but now that I see it it makes tons of sense. 

I feel like Bones when he was reconnecting Spocks brain, "Of course, of course.  A child could do it."

Thanks!

[Jaegermeister]

5 hours ago, Beebop said:

Educational.  I never considered having two timers go back and forth like that but now that I see it it makes tons of sense. 

I feel like Bones when he was reconnecting Spocks brain, "Of course, of course.  A child could do it."

Thanks!

 

Have you ever taken an IQ test? It's very similar to this. That's why it's called logic.

 

I believe people that do well on IQ tests would have no problem with Mission Logic.

[Beebop]

Thanks so much.  ?  It's always nice to be reminded your not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[JimTM]

59 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Have you ever taken an IQ test? It's very similar to this. That's why it's called logic.

 

I believe people that do well on IQ tests would have no problem with Mission Logic.

 

In this case, the IQ test consists of using the editor for an hour to see if you utter "I Quit!!!!"  

Edited June 16, 2021 by JimTM

[Thad]

1 hour ago, JimTM said:

 

In this case, the IQ test consists of using the editor for an hour to see if you utter "I Quit!!!!"  

 

Ah.. come on Jim. Everybody knows learning to use the editor effectively is childs play.  ?

 

Then again, everything seems easier once one knows how to do it.  ?

[Beebop]

35 minutes ago, Thad said:

Then again, everything seems easier once one knows how to do it.

No sh*t.

I know I'm not the smartest person here, far from it.  That's why I come here to ask questions.  Others may be gifted with a big brain, others come by it through experience.

Up to this point the responses have been most helpful and I'm sure others have the same questions and maybe the answers I get can help them out? I don't know.

It's comments like "Have you ever taken an IQ test? It's very similar to this. That's why it's called logic.  I believe people that do well on IQ tests would have no problem with Mission Logic." that I feel is disingenuous, especially coming from someone who has been very helpful to me in the past.  

Even a smart person might not do too well if the "test" was set up in a different format that they were accustomed to.  I spent nearly 20 years in the 1946 FMB and became quite adept at it.  But it took me 5 years to really get a handle on it and I kept learning for the next 15 years.  I've only been working this editor for a little over a year now.

Of course I could always STFU but I wouldn't learn as fast or possibly at all.

 

To those who have been patient with me my heartfelt thanks.

[Thad]

Relax Beebop... I was just joking around with JimTM. 

[JimTM]

5 hours ago, Beebop said:

No sh*t.

I know I'm not the smartest person here, far from it.  That's why I come here to ask questions.  Others may be gifted with a big brain, others come by it through experience.

Up to this point the responses have been most helpful and I'm sure others have the same questions and maybe the answers I get can help them out? I don't know.

It's comments like "Have you ever taken an IQ test? It's very similar to this. That's why it's called logic.  I believe people that do well on IQ tests would have no problem with Mission Logic." that I feel is disingenuous, especially coming from someone who has been very helpful to me in the past.  

Even a smart person might not do too well if the "test" was set up in a different format that they were accustomed to.  I spent nearly 20 years in the 1946 FMB and became quite adept at it.  But it took me 5 years to really get a handle on it and I kept learning for the next 15 years.  I've only been working this editor for a little over a year now.

Of course I could always STFU but I wouldn't learn as fast or possibly at all.

 

To those who have been patient with me my heartfelt thanks.

 

Sorry if I caused you offense Beebop. I took Jaegermeister's IQ test comment as a general statement on the nature of those tests and not as a personal attack on your abilities. I think that's really how he meant it. My jest was meant to reflect the frustration of many folks who try to "do battle" with the editor.

 

Cheers! 

Edited June 17, 2021 by JimTM

[Beebop]

JimTM, Thad, thank you.  I did not take offense at either of your comments.

What started all this bru-ha-ha was what I intended as a humorous comment on my lack of understanding of how the ME can work.  But once I saw the example I figured out what was happening and it made perfect sense.  My "joke" was meant as the realization of something that appeared to be magic until I watched the man behind the curtain and after seeing how it was done realized how simple it actually was.

The ME is very complex compared to the simplicity of 1946's FMB so it's like going from simple addition/subtraction/multiplication/division to trigonometry.  I am sometimes a slow learner but once learned I can wield my knowledge with some confidence.

 

I'm not offended by anyone.  I realize I am on a learning curve and will be for some time to come.  But at the time I wrote my 'reply' to Jaegermeister's post I felt that I was being called not very smart.

It's all on me.  I stand ready and willing to learn either by the great patience shown me thus far or by simply directing me to the knowledge I need to know, like the ME Manual or a link to a post where the problem or something similar was discussed.

 

And Jaegermeister, I apologize for misunderstanding your intent and leaving a snarky remark.  You have truly been a great help to me in understanding how the ME works and can work.

[Jaegermeister]

12 hours ago, Beebop said:

 

It's comments like "Have you ever taken an IQ test? It's very similar to this. That's why it's called logic.  I believe people that do well on IQ tests would have no problem with Mission Logic." that I feel is disingenuous, especially coming from someone who has been very helpful to me in the past.  

Even a smart person might not do too well if the "test" was set up in a different format that they were accustomed to.  I spent nearly 20 years in the 1946 FMB and became quite adept at it. 

 

That comment was not intended to imply that you’re not smart. I was not directing that at any anyone and I was referring to the nature of the tests, not actual intelligence. I’m sorry if you took it personally, I can see now how that might seem condescending, but I didn’t mean it that way. I can assure you that I’m no genius.

 

Doing well on an IQ test just means that you’re good at taking tests. The questions are designed in the same step by step, cause = effect way.

 

You are correct, smart people don’t do well on tests all the time.

6 hours ago, Beebop said:

And Jaegermeister, I apologize for misunderstanding your intent and leaving a snarky remark.  You have truly been a great help to me in understanding how the ME works and can work.

 

None nessecary, but thanks anyway. It’s all good.