convince me: PzIV vs M4A2 or PzIV vs KV1

[super-truite]

I am soon organizing an event that will have a competitive aspect (and Prices to win . More info soon).
I will need to think of balance more than usual in order to make the competition fair.
I was thinking of doing PzIV vs M4A2 because despite a better armor (OP ?) for the M4A2, the PzIV still have some advantage for long range engagements.
Someone suggested PzIV vs KV1S instead which might be more fair because the KV1S is quite easy to penetrate with the PzIV IMO. 
What are your thoughts ?

 

[stupor-mundi]

I don't often try the KV. Longer ago, when I did and it came to front-to-front standoffs with Panzer 3s at ranges of say 500m, I found to my suprise that the chances of winning this were roughly 50/50. I don't know if they fixed the KV's damage model later, but it didn't come across as a heavy tank, armor wise.

The Panzer4 has a better gun than the T34/KV, and much better front armor than the T34. If they didn't change the KV, it also has much better front armor than the KV.

At least the T34 is fast to make up for the disadvantage in gun and armor, but the KV is also slow. I don't see how that could be a fair fight.

It's no coincidence that in missions with a free choice, very few people pick the KV, since in-game it's almost like a slow version of a T34, with slightly better armor.

 

 

[ickylevel]

At the short ranges of this arras map, the sherman is too powerful. The extra armor of the kv is not going to make a difference at this distance.

Because the kv has green camo that is better than the yellow of the Panzer, it might be balanced.

Edited April 25, 2021 by ickylevel

[super-truite]

Sorry I forgot one constraint: I need this to be interesting to play with one human gunner and one human commander. T34 would be of course a better choice in terms of pure balance, but the issue is that the gunner and commander are the same position...Tha's why I was stuck with only m4a2 and kv1s

[ww2fighter20]

The KV1S has it's Hull armor reduced (From 100mm front/side to 75/60mm) in order to make it more mobile.