Game 4.601 and Groups

[jollyjack]

Has anyone found it necessary to resave the group files from within the ME with game updates?

[IckyATLAS]

When I import a group file from my group library the Editor crashes to the desktop.

I tried to resave the group files but it crashes the editor to the desktop. Only the resave mission does work.

It is not possible to resave the group files. That is a big problem for mission developers. 

Please advise how to solve this issue. Thanks

[Jaegermeister]

I am not having this issue. I have never resaved any groups. I could test the resave groups tool, but I have not used it up to now.

I have not had a crash in the ME in weeks.

[jollyjack]

Now Boyz, You both are among my fav list of Helpers In Need ... Please agree and keep the peace ? ??.

PS i imported a few groups from old, seems to work.

 

BTW Also noticed that f.i. the Kuban map now allows trains to go through a tun(n)el.

Train travels alright, but the smoke now pops through the tunnel's ceiling ... now we need smokeless trains between waypoints.

[Jaegermeister]

14 hours ago, jollyjack said:

Now Boyz, You both are among my fav list of Helpers In Need ... Please agree and keep the peace ? ??.

PS i imported a few groups from old, seems to work.

 

Everything is peaceful, I'm just suggesting that there might be other issues involved besides resaving the groups. I import a lot of groups. About half the time I place them on a map, and other times I import them from a file. It depends on where I need to use them. I never had a problem and it never even occurred to me to resave them. 

 

I do make sure that I have the subfolder I want my new group in as the working group at the time and nothing selected. It may have to do with grouping structure in the mission tree. I always group the stock map Cities, Airfields, Bridges, etc under a separate larger group titled "Map Objects" that I rarely even open. Then I import my working objects to a different group called "Mission Objects".

 

The smaller the group, the faster it loads, and the less time I sit waiting for the list to refresh. This also cuts down on CTDs.

[IckyATLAS]

On 4/25/2021 at 5:45 AM, Jaegermeister said:

 

Everything is peaceful, I'm just suggesting that there might be other issues involved besides resaving the groups. I import a lot of groups. About half the time I place them on a map, and other times I import them from a file. It depends on where I need to use them. I never had a problem and it never even occurred to me to resave them. 

 

I do make sure that I have the subfolder I want my new group in as the working group at the time and nothing selected. It may have to do with grouping structure in the mission tree. I always group the stock map Cities, Airfields, Bridges, etc under a separate larger group titled "Map Objects" that I rarely even open. Then I import my working objects to a different group called "Mission Objects".

 

The smaller the group, the faster it loads, and the less time I sit waiting for the list to refresh. This also cuts down on CTDs.

Do you confirm that a group file saved with the previous game version and "imported" (not copied) in the mission file (after being resaved) opened with the new version works perfectly?

Edited April 26, 2021 by IckyATLAS

[Jaegermeister]

5 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Do you confirm that a group file saved with the previous game version and "imported" (not copied) in the mission file (after being resaved) opened with the new version works perfectly?

I'll double check to be sure.

 

Edit... Yes, I imported an enemy object and linked it to the player for activation. The object and the mission work perfectly.

 

Confirm it is imported from an unedited folder, not placed from the Missions folder.

 

This is a mission that was completed in previous version and updated with the ME "resave all missions in folder" tool.

Edited April 26, 2021 by Jaegermeister

[IckyATLAS]

9 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

I'll double check to be sure.

 

Edit... Yes, I imported an enemy object and linked it to the player for activation. The object and the mission work perfectly.

 

Confirm it is imported from an unedited folder, not placed from the Missions folder.

 

This is a mission that was completed in previous version and updated with the ME "resave all missions in folder" tool.

 

Just to avoid any misunderstanding you imported it using this function see picture below

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by IckyATLAS

[Jaegermeister]

4 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

 

Just to avoid any misunderstanding you imported it using this function see picture below

 

 

 

Correct

[IckyATLAS]

19 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Correct

OK. Then here we have a strange behavior. Crashing on mine and not on yours. The big question why? And why resaving a group file makes also crash, but copying an older version group file in the mission works well.

When I save group files from my missions updated to the new game version, then I can import them without a problem.

Maybe I should reinstall from scratch the new version and it may solve the issue. The Update may have corrupted something.

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by IckyATLAS

[Jaegermeister]

21 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

OK. Then here we have a strange behavior.

 

Yes. I agree, and unfortunately we have never been able to really explain the ME crashes. We know some things not to do, but I guess not all of them. 

 

Maybe it's because I have not resaved the groups before importing them.

 

??? 

[IckyATLAS]

2 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

 

Yes. I agree, and unfortunately we have never been able to really explain the ME crashes. We know some things not to do, but I guess not all of them. 

 

Maybe it's because I have not resaved the groups before importing them.

 

??? 

I have never been able to resave the groups. Because the resave groups made the editor crash also. In fact my groups files have never been resaved.

The two operations, resaving and importing made the ME crash immediately.

I will comment after I will do a fresh reinstall from scratch and see if the problem persists.

 

[jollyjack]

Icky, what's your monitor's resolution set to when you use the ME?

[IckyATLAS]

1 hour ago, jollyjack said:

Icky, what's your monitor's resolution set to when you use the ME?

Full 4K or 3840 x 2160

4 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

I have never been able to resave the groups. Because the resave groups made the editor crash also. In fact my groups files have never been resaved.

The two operations, resaving and importing made the ME crash immediately.

I will comment after I will do a fresh reinstall from scratch and see if the problem persists.

 

 

I did a complete new install. And guess what, no more problems with groups. Importation and resaving works perfectly, no more crashes.

Finally if there is a conclusion to make it is that when there is a major update with say format of the files modification, then better do a full clean install.

Same probably after multiple updates, to avoid too much possible trouble better wipe all and do a full clean install.

Never forget first to save all what has to be, and to make it simple save the data directory. You can then go and pick whatever you need.

[jollyjack]

try this, i figured it out thanks a post on a Photoshop forum: 

 

 ps i have almost no crashes now, without it frequent ..

Edited April 29, 2021 by jollyjack

[IckyATLAS]

On 4/29/2021 at 12:30 PM, jollyjack said:

try this, i figured it out thanks a post on a Photoshop forum: 

 

 ps i have almost no crashes now, without it frequent ..

Thanks for the tip. Almost means sometimes still. Using my strategy that I mentioned in a post I have very little crashes to no crashes for many days.

It is an acceptable level for me. I do not like much to go and do tweaks in the registry, so I hope you understand me, but I will not try that one.

My machine is also used for business and work so I prefer to take no risks on that. 

 

 

[jollyjack]

Change your name to LuckyICKY?

I had constant crashes cus i had removed the manifest accidentally with the update.

Must be to do with my NVDIA driver or the Windows LTSC version i am using. Reinstalled it and no editor crash at all for 2 full days.

[jollyjack]

Funny, i now had a crash on re-saving groups (after deleting every thing but the .group files, was renaming my own working groups).

Icky, indeed it does not work, but loading old groups still works. ... Anyway the ME runs quite crash free still!, . manifest file active.

Edited May 7, 2021 by jollyjack