rise of flight people, convince me

[gimpy117]

have the rise of flight box next to me,

should I buy flying circus? 

Edited April 18, 2021 by gimpy117

[Angry_Kitten]

For all purposes Rise of Flight is DEAD.  They have no intent or interest in working on it further. SO sadly its left as it is. 

 

Its still a great game, has wonderful aspects. Has the best overall graphics for ww1 aviation.  The only thing is that its been left behind by Wings Over Flanders Fields in amount of aircraft to fly. 

 

And although the graphics in Wings is NOT to the same level as battle fields or flying circus or Rise of Flight, its far cheaper to buy, 50$ versus 90$ to get the full rise of flight experience in maps, campaigns, and aircraft. 

 

Flying Circus Volume 2  seems to be a better beast from the get go, and unfortunately is not a good idea of marketing sales to us. 

 

 

I mean, if they had simply improved the game engine of flying circus 1 to that of volume two, and simply gave us the new planes as a lower cost upgrade package wed be alot better off. As it looks, each chapter of the flying circus game is going to be 80$, and each one will only offer at best a 15% improvement in game play, but 10 new planes...  

 

Calculate that the Rise of Flight game is free and lets you have 3 ok planes to fly, and lets you buy all the others, mods, maps, for the same cost of Flying Circus volume 1 or 2.... youll see why so many people still prefer and recommend Rise of Flight.

 

And as we cant base how the planes will fly in circus 2, as circus 1 planes kind of suck in handling and pilot view compared to rise of flight.. its a toss for me at least

[BMA_Hellbender]

First make sure you own this:

https://riseofflight.com/store/aircraft/hanriot-hd1/

 

(it's a sales / metrics thing) 

 

 

Then come on over to FC.

[unreasonable]

Leaving aside the relative performance, graphics, variety of game play, and so on, the key point is that RoF is as finished as it will ever be, but FC is a work in progress. (We believe!  )

 

With luck, FC will gradually develop the variety and scope of RoF, with the technical benefits of the newer engine and the correction of some of RoF's worst historical errors, but this will take years and will not be cheap. If you just want a finished product right now, you may find FC frustrating unless you only want MP in late war planes. SP content is still very limited. 

 

On the other hand it is interesting to see the sim develop, and it is fair to say that as a simulation of WW1 planes FC is already better than RoF and should continue to improve.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

If you are looking for solid multiplayer experience during the week both games are dead. 

[Cybermat47]

You cannot shoot down Sopwith Camels in an Me-262 in RoF.

[Dutch2]

There are a lot of discussions in this forum like this one and on the RoF forum, but as already writen down to make it more complex there is also WoFF-BH&H2 .

 

 

[jeanba]

4 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

You cannot shoot down Sopwith Camels in an Me-262 in RoF.

What, Camel is overmodelled ???

Edited April 18, 2021 by jeanba

[Dornil]

14 hours ago, gimpy117 said:

should I buy flying circus? 

IMHO, you should buy only if you have a VR set. Otherwise FC seems useless. Yes, graphics is somewhat better than in RoF, but not that much, especially if you mod RoF with Fubar's landscape mod. Offline gameplay is virtually non-existent (not only due to lack of career, but mostly due to a horribly helpless AI), online servers are very far from being crowded too. Add a very dubious DM, which used to be good at first (better than in RoF), but became something repulsive after the last overhaul. Vanilla RoF DM is far from perfect too, but at least you can fix it by mods to some extent.

Curious (and quite subjective) thing about FM: it is supposed to be the same as in RoF, but something feels wrong about it - for me there is a sensation of flight in RoF, but none whatsoever in FC for some reason...

[Monostripezebra]

Hey man, its where the love is!

 

 

[Angry_Kitten]

The quality of the basic ROF is dependent on video card and system ram. If you have a limited, bodged up system, its not fun.  But if you have a GOOD system,  oooooh its fun

 

Flanders fields still the best in terms of support. ROF best in terms of quality.. 

 

that fs-ww1/SDOE is cute in a red baron sort of way.

 

 

[J2_Trupobaw]

Are you single or multiplayer? The one advantage RoF still has over FC is career mode (coming to FC in next 12 months) - and it can be played despite game being past development. If multiplayer and new features are your thing, they are here. 

[jeanba]

I like very much RoF and once modded, graphics are very nice

What still makes it interesting, as single player is the career with Arty Spotting missions and "real" reconnaissance missions

[J5_HellCat_]

Wait for it to go on sale

Thursday nights and Sundays multi is good ....

Multiplayer campaigns are a lot of fun to fly in. 

There are some campaign generators for off line use and mission set's people have created as well.

 

Well worth the price of admission on sale IMHO.

Edited April 19, 2021 by J5_HellCat_

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

Exactly - wait for a sale and buy FC, and if you still like ROF, buy on sale there too.

 

WOFF BHaH II is also very good, but remember that it is single player only, and the focus is heavily on career mode there. But if you like hard-fought, dynamic single player campaigns, you'll also want WOFF.

[BMA_Hellbender]

WOFF II is pretty much Silent Hunter III: The Grey Wolves, but in the air.

 

The atmosphere is so thick you can just about cut it. I love it, but I'd rather just be Wing Commander and manage the action from the ground while I watch things unfold. The feeling of flight isn't really there, nor is it their primary goal. It's already a miracle what they've managed to pull off with the CFS3 engine.

 

 

RoF/FC will always be (PvP) AirQuakeSouls, even if its main selling point is single player.

[Angry_Kitten]

they keep selling planes for rise of flight with the "intent to use the money for updating the game" but it never happens.  Crap or get off the pot.  If you ARENT going to work on the game, then just unlock ALL content to let us have our happy spot. 

 

If you ARE going to work on it, you better give us something several years ago.

[LukeFF]

Uhh...what?

[Angry_Kitten]

9 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Uhh...what?

if the game known as Rise of Flight is NOT going to get any more development, then you kids need to stop CHARGING MONEY for it as over on Rise of Flight the OFFICIAL WORD is that the game has the possibility of further development using ONLY money obtained by selling the game content, ie planes, maps, enhancement kits for planes. 

 

But if you ARE going to develop the game, we need updates that work, but YEARS ago as the game is a good one. 

[BraveSirRobin]

48 minutes ago, pocketshaver said:

If you ARE going to work on it, you better give us something several years ago.

 

Dude, if they develop a time machine they're probably not using it to go back and make changes to RoF several years ago.

4 minutes ago, pocketshaver said:

if the game known as Rise of Flight is NOT going to get any more development, then you kids need to stop CHARGING MONEY for it as over on Rise of Flight the OFFICIAL WORD is that the game has the possibility of further development using ONLY money obtained by selling the game content, ie planes, maps, enhancement kits for planes. 

 

But if you ARE going to develop the game, we need updates that work, but YEARS ago as the game is a good one. 

 

That doesn't actually clarify things.

 

But I'll help you out.  They're done developing RoF.  That does not mean that they have to give it away for free now.  If you want RoF content you still have to pay for it.

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, pocketshaver said:

if the game known as Rise of Flight is NOT going to get any more development, then you kids need to stop CHARGING MONEY for it as over on Rise of Flight the OFFICIAL WORD is that the game has the possibility of further development using ONLY money obtained by selling the game content, ie planes, maps, enhancement kits for planes. 

 

But if you ARE going to develop the game, we need updates that work, but YEARS ago as the game is a good one. 

 

Well if that isn't the hottest of takes. I think it even makes my top 3 reasons why you should hold out on FC:

 

 

Coming in at number 3:

 

" FC should be free for me because I own RoF "

 

 

Number 2:

" I'm still waiting for them to update RoF in spite of development ending years ago "

 

 

And forever #1:

 

" Send me the RoF source code so I can fix the N28 myself "

[unreasonable]

If the RoF site still implies that purchases will fund future RoF development, then I agree it should be changed. From the current  RoF steam page for Rise of Flight United:

 

The Rise of Flight universe continues to expand with new flyable aircraft and game updates added on a regular basis.

 

This is naughty. I do not think it is deliberately misleading, just lazy. The pages clearly should be edited to show clearly that RoF is a finished product on which no further work will be done. So anyone who might have been mislead by this has some genuine cause for complaint, although a little due diligence would have revealed that RoF was now a finished game without too much trouble. Caveat emptor...

[Dakpilot]

What is an 'official' member of the RoF forum? 

 

I would suggest you don't advocate for RoF to be 'cracked' on the owners forums.. Rules and things

 

FC released in 2018? I think it was crystal clear that RoF had come to end of development at that time

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Dakpilot
Clarity

[BMA_Hellbender]

To be fair the RoF store pages don’t accurately reflect the 1.034 changes in terms of performance, either. Nor do the FC in-game measurements since the prop fix 2 years ago.

 

Class action lawsuit for false advertisement, anyone?

 

Alternatively, just releasing the HD.1 (?) for FC will also set things straight.

[Trooper117]

Have a look at FC in about 5 years when they might just have ported over mostly everything from RoF... then give it another 2 years when they might have got round to adding some new stuff... You might get excited enough to buy it then  

[J2_Trupobaw]

 

12 minutes ago, =IRFC=Hbender said:

Alternatively, just releasing the HD.1 (?) for FC will also set things straight.

With all respect to Hanriot, I'll settle for nothing less than Mercedes D.IIIaü in every Mercedes-powered 1918 German plane. And Hanriot.

Edited April 20, 2021 by J2_Trupobaw

[Redwo1f]

They are not good at updating things on their website...just go look at the "About" page, for instance - Bodenplatte doesn't even exist.