Noob Question: Why do The Germans always lose?

[ShampooX]

So I've been up on the FVP server for about 2 months now and it totally is my favorite ever combined arms sim to date.  I'm a bit of a "wehraboo" (WT term for hard core German tank player) and I've only played ground so far - no joystick.  One thing that is immediately noticeable is that the German pilots could have 25 Red Plane Icons in their Troops/Arty and they don't do a thing to try and stop it.  I could Cap a CP and immediately Russian planes are on me.  I can be pinging Russian Troops and Arty and as soon as my little red tank icon shows on the Map I am hearing enemy plane engines.   It just seems the Russian side has a better handle on the map and what's going on........all the time.  I know pilots switch back and forth between teams so it can't be a player skills thing...is it a plane capability thing?  Do German planes just not do good at defending against Russian ground attackers?  It's just crazy Germans are always getting pushed back all the time.

[Cybermat47]

18 minutes ago, 11thPanzer_Pete said:

I'm a bit of a "wehraboo" (WT term for hard core German tank player)

I’d be careful about calling yourself that. I’ve mostly seen it used to describe historical revisionists who make inaccurate claims about the Wehrmacht being an apolitical force that wasn’t involved in the Holocaust, and people who think that the Sherman was the worst tank ever made and that the Tiger was a flawless and invincible fighting machine. 
 

‘German main’ is the term I prefer for myself, as it’s pretty unambiguous in what it means.

 

As for your observations about German pilots not defending ground objectives, I have seen a lot of frustration on these forums about ‘wannabe Hartmanns’ taking their Bf-109s up so high in search of an altitude advantage that they can’t actually see any ground attack aircraft. I haven’t seen it too much myself, probably because I’m a German main who prefers to climb to only 3000m so that I can keep an eye on low-level aircraft and ground targets.

[356thFS_Melonfish]

because instead of ground attack, most german players flock and camp objectives stacked at 1000ft intervals in fighters crying "MINE!" as an allied plane hoves into view.

 

obv, this is not everyone but appears to be the standard way on most servers.

[SCG_Wulfe]

On 3/22/2021 at 11:09 PM, 11thPanzer_Pete said:

So I've been up on the FVP server for about 2 months now and it totally is my favorite ever combined arms sim to date.  I'm a bit of a "wehraboo" (WT term for hard core German tank player) and I've only played ground so far - no joystick.  One thing that is immediately noticeable is that the German pilots could have 25 Red Plane Icons in their Troops/Arty and they don't do a thing to try and stop it.  I could Cap a CP and immediately Russian planes are on me.  I can be pinging Russian Troops and Arty and as soon as my little red tank icon shows on the Map I am hearing enemy plane engines.   It just seems the Russian side has a better handle on the map and what's going on........all the time.  I know pilots switch back and forth between teams so it can't be a player skills thing...is it a plane capability thing?  Do German planes just not do good at defending against Russian ground attackers?  It's just crazy Germans are always getting pushed back all the time.

 

Have you never watched a movie in your life? No matter how much the odds are in their favor, no matter how much they have the upper hand... Germans always lose. ?

[ShampooX]

On 3/22/2021 at 8:41 PM, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:

I’d be careful about calling yourself that. I’ve mostly seen it used to describe historical revisionists who make inaccurate claims about the Wehrmacht being an apolitical force that wasn’t involved in the Holocaust, and people who think that the Sherman was the worst tank ever made and that the Tiger was a flawless and invincible fighting machine. 
 

‘German main’ is the term I prefer for myself, as it’s pretty unambiguous in what it means.

 

As for your observations about German pilots not defending ground objectives, I have seen a lot of frustration on these forums about ‘wannabe Hartmanns’ taking their Bf-109s up so high in search of an altitude advantage that they can’t actually see any ground attack aircraft. I haven’t seen it too much myself, probably because I’m a German main who prefers to climb to only 3000m so that I can keep an eye on low-level aircraft and ground targets.

Sorry dude, I only heard the term on war thunder and there's not too many political folks over there.

[CountZero]

On axis side you have more fighter players because how atractive ww2 stories get, small number of serious ground attackers they have dont take any other server exept taw worth playing for win, as you lose a lot of time going for targets so better spend it where it mathers.

When you have most servers set so ground objectives win, side that is full of fighter only guys like axis is, usealy lose.

On taw where you have serious german ground attackers they can win if they do good, on other servers its just farming personal stats and no worry who win or lose.

[ShampooX]

Thank you Count Zero!!

[TP-Gosho]

In early war German planes have a competitive advantage over 2.5-3k and that is not where ground attack happens.