Two questions on the Macchi C.202s in "Cliffs of Dover - Blitz" and "Desert Wings - Tobruk"

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1. Why the default percentage of fuel is 81% in all subvariants of the Folgore (III, III Alta Quota, VII and VII Alta Quota)?

 

2. Dealing with the propeller pitch selector, I think this "S" on the selector in the cockpit ("super" in the infow window) stands for "supergiri"... what is it exactly? how does it work? what does it make to the propeller's pitch? how and when must the "super" position be used during a sortie?

 

 

[5th_Hellrider]

2. The prop. pitch on Super manteins the rpm at 2400, so you have more power. Normally (on Automatico) you have 2200 rpm instead.
You can stay on Super for about 5 mins, or more. Obviously to be used only in combat or when strictly necessary.
In the various passages between M-A-S the engine loses a bit of revs, this inconvenience seems less evident if you have previously reduced a bit the prop. pitch from Manuale set.

 

Remember that the Macchi also has the boost. You can use it without too much trouble if you are using Automatico (2200 rpm). Instead, you have to be much more careful when you are in Super (2400 rpm) because the temperatures rise easily.

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by 5th_Hellrider

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you Hellrider!

 

 

10 minutes ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

You can stay on Super for about 5 mins, or more

 

 

Or more, ok but... for how much longer?

 

 

[5th_Hellrider]

It depends on the temperatures, check always them and do some test too. Also consider that in a fight for a few seconds, you can sometimes even reduce a little throttle. It is therefore difficult to establish how much longer you can use, I would say between 5 and 10 mins.

 

In any case in dogfight it often ends everything within 2 min (it is already a long fight). ?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Ok, thank you Hellrider, you've been a great help, I simply learned what I wanted to know.

 

I hope somebody will respond to my first question, that one on this 81% of fuel.

 

 

[4SCT_CR42Falco]

81% corresponds to max takeoff weight otherwise you would takeoff slightly overloaded. I don't now why it is so, though.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1 hour ago, 4SCT_CR42Falco said:

81% corresponds to max takeoff weight otherwise you would takeoff slightly overloaded. I don't now why it is so, though.

 

 

Grazie Falco. Is this based on historical fact?

[4SCT_CR42Falco]

3 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Grazie Falco. Is this based on historical fact?

Out of memory I don't know, I guess so. I'll check: at first glance min weight and max takeoff weight are ok, I remember total gas weight was 250kg so 2350+250=2600kg you have still 330 kg to go but I don't know if oil and coolant are taken in account of in the 2350kg empty weight, and then you have to add amunition too

[Buzzsaw]

81% fuel is with the behind the seat tank not loaded.

 

Normal combat flights did not see this tank loaded.  When it was loaded it was seen as an overload condition.

 

The C.202 carried a lot more fuel internally than the Spitfires or 109s.

 

Other aircraft are treated similarly... for example the Kittyhawks load less than 100% for normal combat load... the behind the seat tank is left empty.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Great! Many thanks for this clarification!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Sorry fellows, but a few more questions arose...

 

There's one WEP device (War Emergency Power) on board the C.202, it's a button one needs to push with his left thumb, a red button which is located on top of the throttle lever:

 

 

 

 

1) What kind of technology is used in this WEP? How does it work? Is it shared with other aircraft equipped with the same engine which is the DB601? (Bf 109s, for example, but what Bf 109s in the game?).

 

2) The C.202 flashcard gives instruction of the use of this WEP during the takeoff, on the runway... but the flashcard doesn't say when the WEP has to be turned off. So... how long can we keep this WEP on?

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by 343KKT_Kintaro

[YR-DAN55]

At Bf 109 WEP it is operated for 1 minute and switches off automatically when the time expires.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Thank you Dan55, this only partially answered my questions, but it is useful information indeed. Again, thank you very much.

[5th_Hellrider]

On 2/27/2021 at 7:41 PM, 5th_Hellrider said:

Remember that the Macchi also has the boost. You can use it without too much trouble if you are using Automatico (2200 rpm). Instead, you have to be much more careful when you are in Super (2400 rpm) because the temperatures rise easily.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, JG27_DAN55 said:

At Bf 109 WEP it is operated for 1 minute and switches off automatically when the time expires.

In the Macchi the boost is switched ON or OFF manually, by the pilot. You can therefore keep it always ON, for example.

Guys, what you need check is the ATA value....

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Dear Hellrider, in the Macchi C.202 both controls are available: "Boost Cut-Out" and "Toggle War Emergency Power" (WEP). The red button on the extreme tip of the throttle lever... this button goes for the WEP, not for the boost cut-out.

[5th_Hellrider]

Yes, with "boost" I mean the red button on the throttle. 

With the game in English it is called WEP. With the game in Italian, however, it has another name (postbruciatore, a name that has always been wrong on CloD).
So I used the indefinitely name "boost" (for the red button).

Max ATA with "boost" (WEP) is 1.45 at low altitude.

1.40 for the Alta Quota version. 

 

Boost cut-out seems to have no effect on the Macchi, although it can be activated. If I'm wrong on this point, please correct me, because I'm not very sure on that.

 

I hope I was clear, this time.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

9 minutes ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Yes, with "boost" I mean the red button on the throttle. 

With the game in English it is called WEP. With the game in Italian, however, it has another name (postbruciatore, a name that has always been wrong on CloD).
So I used the indefinitely name "boost" (for the red button).

 

 

Ok, I see.

 

By the way yes, I know, at present the game still translates "war emergency power" as follows:

 

Italian: postbruciatore

French: postcombustion

Spanish: postcombustión

 

In their corresponding languages all three terms mean "afterburner", which is a technology that is used in modern jet aircraft only. I already notified this, at least in connection with the French version of the game, and I trust TFS will resolve this translation problem shortly. TFS already brought some corrections, for example the last patch has fixed those few terms in the Controls Options section.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Max ATA with "boost" (WEP) is 1.45 at low altitude.

1.40 for the Alta Quota version.

 

 

Understood... thank you!

 

 

9 minutes ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

Boost cut-out seems to have no effect on the Macchi, although it can be activated. If I'm wrong on this point, please correct me, because I'm not very sure on that.

 

 

I think you're right. Some controls in the game do not have any visible counterpart in the cockpit and, independently of that fact, the so mentioned controls may work or may not work. A few examples:

 

1) The "Boost Cut-Out" activity is visible in the info window when you use it on board a C.202... and it seems it's not working... which may be historical in the case there was no boost cut-out at all in the plane.

 

2) When you are in the D.520's cockpit you can switch the magnetos on and off... but no magneto switches are visible in the cockpit.

 

3) When you land your D.520 and you want to turn your engine off, you can use the "Slow-Running Cut-Out" control... although no button isvisible in the cockpit.

 

4) Etc.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, 5th_Hellrider said:

I hope I was clear, this time.

 

 

Yes, thank you somuch.

 

 

[FTC_Karaya]

On 3/2/2021 at 11:28 PM, Buzzsaw said:

The C.202 carried a lot more fuel internally than the Spitfires or 109s.

 

 

Ingame the C.202 carries a maximum of 326kg IIRC, thats just ~9% more than the 109. And that's the 100% "overload" condition. Normal 81% fuel load is less than the Bf109s standard fuel load of 400L (300kg).