The Worst of Gaming

[FuriousMeow]

That makes no sense. Fighters vulched too - that's what they did during the closing months of WWII. Shooting down Me-262s while taking off and landing because that was when they were most vulnerable. And that's what Zeros did during Pearl Harbor. Those aren't the only two instances but, yeah - vulching by fighters is absolutely historically correct.

Edited July 13, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

FTR: I am NOT against vulching either in game or historical scenarios. I don't do it personally because I don't think it requires much skill but I recognize the value in game and the historical perspective. The OP was primarily about gaming the game. Last post I will make in this thread. Happy vulching to all

[Livai]

Vulching and trolling its a game. Do you think that World War was different.

[MarcoRossolini]

That makes no sense. Fighters vulched too - that's what they did during the closing months of WWII. Shooting down Me-262s while taking off and landing because that was when they were most vulnerable. And that's what Zeros did during Pearl Harbor. Those aren't the only two instances but, yeah - vulching by fighters is absolutely historically correct.

 

My reasoning are that fighters have an even chance against one another, whilst Ground attack aircraft are meant to well... attack ground, so that's okay. Attack aircraft obviously aren't going to be able to compete with fighters in the air, so it's okay of they strafe the ground. 

 

This is just the "moral" compass I work off of. Nothing more.

[Gambit21]

Most fighters strafed (I hate the use of the word "vulch" especially in regards to real life) whenever the opportunity arose.

109's, Mustangs, P47's any "fighter" you can name did it's fair share of ground attack. It wasn't all relegated to specialized mud movers.

 

I loaded up an La5 with bombs and took off on a mission to attack an airfield just a few days ago in MP.

I don't hang around an airfield and wait for someone to spawn, but if I'm attacking it and you happen to be there you're fair game.

[P51Mustangrulz]

OP -  I think your concerns about cheating on the map borders are extremely valid. I have not yet seen it happen, but I can easily see someone doing what you have described.

 

I have to agree with a what a few others have said about "vulching" being perfectly acceptable. I would say that everyone would agree that this is an international forum. I couldn't tell you a lot about Russian, French, UK, Polish, Finnish or Italian pilots during the war, but I can tell you about American pilots.

 

Google: Lt. Col. John C. Meyer's (US 352nd Fighter Group) first kill on January 1st 1945. He nailed a "vulching" FW190 before he even fully retracted his landing gear on take off while his airfield was under attack during Operation Bodenplatte. If someone can do it in real life, vulcing should be perfectly acceptable.

 

Here's a little tidbit about it, and an artist's rendition of the kill: http://www.starduststudios.com/john-c-meyer.html

 

But that's just my .02 cents, and everyone is obviously entitled to their opinions.

[Cybermat47]

Vulching is like ramming in WT. It pisses people off, but I'll still do it.

[6S.Manu]

If the airbase is not protected by the flak, I'm ok with vulching with fighters (even if I never did it... In a fighter I'm always higher than 3kms).

 

Conversely I'm not pissed off by the vulching itself, but by the attitude of the player: I'm against senseless suicide missions. It's that kind of behaviour that really I don't stand.

 

Historical fighters' strafing is entirely different from senseless vulching.

 

So the main issue regards the mission design.

Edited July 16, 2014 by 6S.Manu

[SR-F_Winger]

Getting grey hair because of vulching belongs to history. At least for me. Getting annoyed from it doesnt help anyone and as mentioned only causes grey hair:)

I have enough of that already:)

I find it just a bit sad that the actual gameplay on the servers is hurt because of the low alt aerodrome vulcher dancefests. Too few people up high where the actuall fighting really happened back in the days.

Edited July 16, 2014 by VSG1_Winger

[SOLIDKREATE]

OP -  I think your concerns about cheating on the map borders are extremely valid. I have not yet seen it happen, but I can easily see someone doing what you have described.

 

I have to agree with a what a few others have said about "vulching" being perfectly acceptable. I would say that everyone would agree that this is an international forum. I couldn't tell you a lot about Russian, French, UK, Polish, Finnish or Italian pilots during the war, but I can tell you about American pilots.

 

Google: Lt. Col. John C. Meyer's (US 352nd Fighter Group) first kill on January 1st 1945. He nailed a "vulching" FW190 before he even fully retracted his landing gear on take off while his airfield was under attack during Operation Bodenplatte. If someone can do it in real life, vulcing should be perfectly acceptable.

 

Here's a little tidbit about it, and an artist's rendition of the kill: http://www.starduststudios.com/john-c-meyer.html

 

But that's just my .02 cents, and everyone is obviously entitled to their opinions.

 

I think it makes it an issue because these guys know where exactly where you will spawn on the runway and they just hoover all day because the airfield is a very short distance away. I don't see a problem with it either being they have done in real life. The airfields need just a couple of more flak guns an AAA mounts. The player also knows it's an exploit that really has no reason to happen. There arent any awards or special badges that are given out. So, from a gaming standpoint it is just senseless trolling to irritate and harrass because there is no real concequence. On the other hand no one is 'forced' to ground start either.

Edited July 17, 2014 by .VMF/214_SPEKTRE76

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I'm really pleased to report the improved AAA after 1.009 makes vulching much more dangerous of a venture, as it should be. Not sure I'm happy I can get sniped at 5 km through the clouds by those ground guys but I've seen an awful lot of enemy aircraft destroyed by AAA. I've lost a few kills to the KanonGuys too but making multiple passes on a target has become hazardous to your health, particularly if you are making straight line runs.

 

My newest complaint, is gamers who are happy to bounce you (totally cool) but then leave the server when you complete the reversal. If you get some hits on em you still get the kill. If they see you gaining the advantage and just drop there is no penalty as far as I can see. I don't see a way to keep em from gaming the game so I just screen rage, "GAMER," and drive on. It's my new insult

 

On the other hand, I have occasionally gone off map, while running like the yellow belly I am, because I was focused on my foe as opposed to the edge of the map. For this I appologize and have yet to do it on purpose. Sometimes it allows me some breathing room, sometimes it allows the opponent to close. Not the odds I'm looking for in a fight.

[Potenz]

My newest complaint, is gamers who are happy to bounce you (totally cool) but then leave the server when you complete the reversal. If you get some hits on em you still get the kill. If they see you gaining the advantage and just drop there is no penalty as far as I can see. I don't see a way to keep em from gaming the game so I just screen rage, "GAMER," and drive on. It's my new insult

 

This can be easily cured, by a 30 secs penalty for F4ing, so the guy will close the game, but his plane will be stil flying and grabbing online data.

many online game has this feature to avoid F4ers for battle quiting all the time.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Erg./JG54_Potenz

[heinkill]

Best thing that happened to Cliffs of Dover multiplayer was the ability to frag into an AAA gun near your airfield if some camper shot you down. Nothing sweeter than creaming his @ss with a Bofors.

 

And now it is also possible to frag into a tank, go cross country to his airfield, and when he eventually respawns blow his @ss skyhigh with your Panzer IV. Sweeeet revenge.

 

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