other countries ingame?

[VikingFjord]

any info if there will be any other contries like Romania or Italy?

[Stallion]

I wouldn't imagine so, at least not until the DLC planes are out in the future. You can always make a custom skin

[Elem]

There were no other countries involved in the Battle of Stalingrad.

 

 

VikingFjord is correct. There were Italian, Romanian and Hungarian units used at Stalingrad. I'm reading about them now in Black Cross Red Star Vol. 3. Not large numbers but they did score victories. It's a "must read" for anyone on the forum.

[VikingFjord]

Yes indeed im right! just kidding but Romania did use the Industria Aeronautică Română (IAR) 80 Fighter
Very nice looking plane

And italians had the Macchi C.202 in stalingrad

Edited June 4, 2014 by VikingFjord

[Elem]

Yes indeed im right! just kidding but Romania did use the Industria Aeronautică Română (IAR) 80 Fighter

Very nice looking plane

 

And italians had the Macchi C.202 in stalingrad

Absolutely right.

[Tab]

go there and vote before it's too late:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/

[Elem]

go there and vote before it's too late:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/

Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

[VikingFjord]

go there and vote before it's too late:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/

thanks a lot! will vote!

 

VikingFjord is correct. There were Italian, Romanian and Hungarian units used at Stalingrad. I'm reading about them now in Black Cross Red Star Vol. 3. Not large numbers but they did score victories. It's a "must read" for anyone on the forum.

i will defiantly read it if i can find it! what does it say about Hungary? and didn't Italy have some bombers?

[Elem]

thanks a lot! will vote!

 

i will defiantly read it if i can find it! what does it say about Hungary? and didn't Italy have some bombers?

Volume 3 is quite easy to find, it's the first two that are harder and more expensive....

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Cross-Red-Star-Everything/dp/0976103443

 

At the opening of the Stalingrad offensive, Italy commited its 8th Army, the airforce of which comprised of 21 Gruppo Autonomo with 30 Macchi C.200 Saetta fighters and a reconnaissance aviation group, 71 Gruppo O.A. with 36 Caproni Ca.311 and Fiat Br.20s. It added 12 Macchi C. 202 Folgors later in Sept. 42.

 

Hungary commited the 1st Repulocsoport (aviation detachment) with a fighter group of 13 Reggiane Re.2000, a bomber group with 13 Caproni Ca.135bis, and 2 reconnaissance groups with 13 He.111 Ps and 10 He.46 E-2s. Croatia particpated with fighter squadron 15 operating Bf109s.

 

Romania contributed around 100 aircraft, many obsolete I.A.R.39 reconnaissance aircraft, but later adding I.A.R. 80 fighters, I.A.R 81 dive bombers, P.Z.L. P-23s and Potez  633 and 63.11 bombers, but also operated Bf109s.

 

[DD_bongodriver]

My guess is we won't be seeing any other nations or their machines in this release, it's been made clear the time and budget limitations they are working to and this isn't part of it.

[Sternjaeger]

surely not in the initial release, but the aforementioned poll comes from the devs, so one can hope that they'll follow the same (wonderful) path of the old IL-2 development :-)

[DD_bongodriver]

Shame the poll is favouring the Macchi, no offense to the Macchi but I really wan't an IAR80, and I'm sure the Romanians had larger presence than the Italians and I think voting for the Macchi to justify a North Africa release is fantasy.

Edited June 4, 2014 by DD_bongodriver

[Zak]

BTW the decision about a lend lease plane hasn't been made yet too. So there's still a lot of time to express your opinion about both Axis and Allies planes for a possible future continuation.

[Sternjaeger]

Shame the poll is favouring the Macchi, no offense to the Macchi but I really wan't an IAR80, and I'm sure the Romanians had larger presence than the Italians and I think voting for the Macchi to justify a North Africa release is fantasy.

 

I guess we can pretty much rest assured that with time they'll both come.

Regardless of my (obvious) preference, I reckon that developing a Macchi 202 would probably be easier, since there's more info available and the engine was a licensed version of the DB601 (seems like originally they even used a batch of the German engines). 

 

I too share the belief that voting it to justify a North Africa/Mediterranean release is a bit far fetched, but it still remains that it's a theatre of operations with HUGE potential and that would cover a so far unexplored scenario (at least officially).

 

Think about it Bongo, you and I chasing each other over Malta!   

 

What I really do hope though is that once we have a more stable engine and game the devs will start opening to crowdsourcing, it's the only way to speed things up!

 

[DD_bongodriver]

 

Think about it Bongo, you and I chasing each other over Malta! 

 

 

I'll try and put that image out of my head old fruit......

[Sternjaeger]

hahahahahahahaha!

[Jaws2002]

The Romanians had a bunch of aircraft involved at Stalingrad. Bf- 109E's, iar80/81's, he11s, Savoia Marchetti js79bs(twin engine ones), Potez bombers, iar38s,..

There were around 60 iAR-80 and IAR-81s involved at Stalingrad. The IAR'S were Based in the Stalingrad area for from September 1942 until January 1943.

 

During this time the IAR fighters/fighter bombers did a lot of work:

 

 

 

1386 sorties flown in

 

415 missions

 

30 divebombing missions

 

41 confirmed kills

 

14 aircraft lost in combat: 8 in dogfights, 3 by AAA and 3 on the ground bombed by VVS bombers

 

 

 

There's plenty there to make few good Historical careers for the IAR. You can easy make at least a historical fighter career based on 8th fighter group and a dive bombing/fighter bombing career based on the historical actions of the 6th fighter group. You can also use IAR's activity at Stalingrad in creating historical missions for the Russian planes.

 

 

 

There were more IARs lost in combat than all Macchi c.202 present on the entire Eastern Front during this period!

 

Machi c.202 had flown only 17 combat missions, (ONE in Stalingrad area with no contact with the enemy) during this period and were based far away from Stalingrad.

[Volkoff]

The Romanians had a bunch of aircraft involved at Stalingrad. Bf- 109E's, iar80/81's, he11s, Savoia Marchetti js79bs(twin engine ones), Potez bombers, iar38s,..

There were around 60 iAR-80 and IAR-81s involved at Stalingrad. The IAR'S were Based in the Stalingrad area for from September 1942 until January 1943.

 

During this time the IAR fighters/fighter bombers did a lot of work:

 

 

 

1386 sorties flown in

 

415 missions

 

30 divebombing missions

 

41 confirmed kills

 

14 aircraft lost in combat: 8 in dogfights, 3 by AAA and 3 on the ground bombed by VVS bombers

 

 

 

There's plenty there to make few good Historical careers for the IAR. You can easy make at least a historical fighter career based on 8th fighter group and a dive bombing/fighter bombing career based on the historical actions of the 6th fighter group. You can also use IAR's activity at Stalingrad in creating historical missions for the Russian planes.

 

 

 

There were more IARs lost in combat than all Macchi c.202 present on the entire Eastern Front during this period!

 

Machi c.202 had flown only 17 combat missions, (ONE in Stalingrad area with no contact with the enemy) during this period and were based far away from Stalingrad.

 

The Romanian aircraft would be a lot of fun to sim-fly. I think that the same could be said for some of the Italian planes that were used in relatively significant numbers. We could certainly match the LaGG-3 and possible future P-40 and I-16 up against Romanian aircraft and leave the higher performing aircraft from both sides out of the equation. There would be a lot of prestige in using Romanian planes, since getting air kills would be challenging. I imagine that such machines would be adored by highly experienced duelists and other persons looking to tough it out. Last night, I played ROF for a while. I passed up on the Nieuport 11, so I could tough it out with the DH2. I had a great time playing with the DH2. I was sad to see that no Central pilots were using the Eindecker, but there were a number of Allied pilots using the DH2 and we were having a blast. I think that Roland vs DH2 fights are particularly fun and neither the one nor the other is an exceptional performer, both are just unbelievably fun to play with. I think that maps featuring lesser performing Russian, lend lease, and Romanian planes would be a whole lot of fun.

 

MJ

Edited June 4, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Sternjaeger]

Well for what I could read there was nothing formidable about IARs, whilst the Germans made use of Italian aircraft.

 

Again, I'm sure there'll be room for everybody in the future :-)

[Jaws2002]

Well for what I could read there was nothing formidable about IARs, whilst the Germans made use of Italian aircraft.

Again, I'm sure there'll be room for everybody in the future :-)

Well they were there and fought it out, with all their shortcomings.

 

As crappy as they were, the Iar 80 's fought against everything from i153 and po2, to mustang, lightning, flying fortress, la-7 , fw190 and bf-109 K4.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Jaws2002

[Sternjaeger]

They surely were! And mind you, I don't think they were crappy, just not my cup of tea, but hey, each to their own! :-)

 

Talking of Rumanian pilots, who was the highest scoring ace?

[Jaws2002]

They surely were! And mind you, I don't think they were crappy, just not my cup of tea, but hey, each to their own! :-)

Talking of Rumanian pilots, who was the highest scoring ace?

Constantin "Bazu" Cantacuzino.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Constantin_Cantacuzino_%28aviator%29

 

The were other successful pilots:

 

http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/ww2rom.htm

 

Dan Vizanti had the most kills in IAR-80. 12 out of his 15 kills, I think.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Jaws2002

[VikingFjord]

there is no doubt that IAR 80 makes most sense in terms of realism aspect
but i must admit that i hold the Folgore close to my heart
it was also the first plane my son age 3 flew in a sim

[TJT]

BTW the decision about a lend lease plane hasn't been made yet too. So there's still a lot of time to express your opinion about both Axis and Allies planes for a possible future continuation.

 

I.A.R 80/81 would top my list. Was quite involved with its implementation in original IL-2