A war memorial that insults soldiers

[Cybermat47]

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/05/disgraceful-korean-war-memorial-is-a-historical-photoshop-horror/

 

 

Because every good war memorial should leave names off and not have much to do with the war that it's supposed to be a memorial to.

Edited June 3, 2014 by [AJSA]_Cybermat47

[Stallion]

My avatar is my face when I saw this "memorial" cost $20,000

Edited June 4, 2014 by Beebaboo

[MiloMorai]

My avatar is my face when I saw this "memorial" cost $20,000

 

Have you priced grave makers/head stones?

[Stallion]

Have you priced grave makers/head stones?

 

I'm saying one would expect an expensive piece to be done right, not sure what you're getting at here.

Edited June 4, 2014 by Beebaboo

[Feathered_IV]

I half expected this thread to be about the Red Tails movie.

 

You get what you pay for though. I've worked on quite a few public arts projects over the last twenty years. 20k is a very small budget for an installed object. Results like this often happen when a commercial company is contracted to do the job. If you hire an artist, they'll get it done right even after the money runs out. A company will often trim the quality to suit the budget.

 

That being said, the imagery looks exactly like the junk designed by the military to attract new recruits. Go figure!

[DD_bongodriver]

They paid $20K to an Egyptian country, may as well have asked the Taliban to make it.

[Bearcat]

I half expected this thread to be about the Red Tails movie.

 

You get what you pay for though. I've worked on quite a few public arts projects over the last twenty years. 20k is a very small budget for an installed object. Results like this often happen when a commercial company is contracted to do the job. If you hire an artist, they'll get it done right even after the money runs out. A company will often trim the quality to suit the budget.

 

That being said, the imagery looks exactly like the junk designed by the military to attract new recruits. Go figure!

 

Yeah that was bad wasn't it...

 

They paid $20K to an Egyptian country, may as well have asked the Taliban to make it.

 

Really Bongo.. ? What an stupid thing to say... even for you.

 

The fact that they would use a fporign company to make an American war memorial is more disgusting .. and actually has nothing to do with the Taliban.

[Panzerlang]

 

 

 

Really Bongo.. ? What an stupid thing to say... even for you.

 

 

 

Wow. Moderator, mod thyself?

[MiloMorai]

It was an Indian company that was subcontracted to do the work for a company in Georgia.

 

The only ones to blame are the committee members (American) who were informed of the errors and signed off on the work.

 

Read the 10th comment by the niece of one of those left off the list.

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-towns-korean-war-memorial-under-fire-blunders-134434822.html

[DD_bongodriver]

Bearcat, you really have got the wrong end of the stick.

 

it is the exact point I was making...........how on earth did you misunderstand that?

Edited June 4, 2014 by DD_bongodriver

[Bearcat]

Wow. Moderator, mod thyself?

 

.............

 

Bearcat, you really have got the wrong end of the stick.

 

it is the exact point I was making...........how on earth did you misunderstand that?

 

So you weren't saying Egyptian company=Taliban then? That is surely how it looked.. I'm sure my buddy Hawk would appreciate that .. being an Egyptian pharmacist and avid flight simmer and all.. Tell you what.. if that is not what you meant .. then I was wrong and I do apologize .. but if that was indeed what you meant.. then I stand by what I said.. note that I did not call you stupid..

[DD_bongodriver]

That is not what I meant.

 

This is what I meant:

 

Egyptian company = Foreign company from a country with a questionable sympathy for the US

 

Taliban = Taliban

 

Both unsuitable for selection to make a US war memorial.

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

The fact that they would use a fporign company to make an American war memorial is more disgusting .

 

Nothing wrong with using foreigners. We do that all the time for monuments here. The so far winner for a monument after the Utøya massacre her in Norway  is a Swede. The problem is hiring a foreigner with no idea of what he's doing. I'm not a designer, but I have a decent idea about what the war was about (at least i can read Wikipedia), and I'm sure I could have done a better job myself.

[Panzerlang]

I suspect the Eygyptian dudes googled "US army shizzle" and thought what they found was spot on and they'd done a stand-up job. Probably well proud of it. Blame their 8th-century islamic education I guess, I strongly doubt it was deliberate or malicious.

[Feathered_IV]

I'd suspect the Egyptian company only did the construction of the object. The design would be created by someone else.

 

Edit: the yahoo link above says the task of design was outsourced to India. Hmm...

Edited June 4, 2014 by Feathered_IV

[MiloMorai]

I suspect the Eygyptian dudes googled "US army shizzle" and thought what they found was spot on and they'd done a stand-up job. Probably well proud of it. Blame their 8th-century islamic education I guess, I strongly doubt it was deliberate or malicious.

 

And the veterans group signed off on the design submitted despite know there was major errors.. THE ONLY BLAME IS ON THE VETERANS GROUP .

 

Tina 3 days ago

 

My name is Tina Kutschbach, and I was interviewed for the above article. Here are the facts that are not in this article:

 

1. The committee for this monument are Korean War Veterans. They took only 10 months to complete a process that took anywhere from 2-7 years for all other county war memorials.

 

2 Public donations were used. I did indeed donate to this monument during its planning phase. 3. I gave Mr. Strausbaugh my Uncle's information from the National Korean War Memorial and the State of Ohio Adjutant General's Office list of Korean War Casualties from Ross County, Ohio. We discussed this matter several times. When I informed him there were 5 more names, he stated they did not have enough room on the piece of granite for that many names. That was our last conversation, he would not return my call after that.

 

4. I was assured that my Uncle's name would be on the monument. When my parents and I went to the unveiling ceremony, that is when we found out his name, and 5 others were not listed. I got the DOD papers shoved in my face and my Father was insulted.

 

5. Another resident took all the historical inaccuracies to the Mr. Strausbaugh as soon as their "artist rendering" was in our local paper. His information was ignored.

 

6. My plan for resolution includes the removal of this monument, reuse the granite and have an Ohio company and artist do the work. Currently, the names of those men killed in action are on a small piece of granite on the ground in front of this 6 foot by 8 foot monument. These names should be fron and center at eye level. A 94 year old WW!! veteran asked me to "get these boys off the ground, they are already buried." I agree. All 24 combat deaths from this county will be included, and I also believe the 14 non-combat deaths should be added. An account has been started in a local bank, Kingston National Bank for donations.

 

7. I want a full reconciliation from the committee of their donations and expenses for this project. I believe the money left over from the Ross County Vietnam Memorial should be returned to them, since the funds were raised for that purpose and the leftover funds were to be used for the care and upkeep of that Memorial. The veteran that worked so hard for 8 years to see that memorial come to fruition has walked away from it because of this situation.

 

8. I believe my family and the families of the other forgotten Korean War heroes are due an apology, especially since the insults keep coming from Mr. Strausbaugh and his fellow veteran, Richard Buchanan. It is astonishing that fellow veterans can act like this towards "one of their own". Especially since my Uncle, John Edward Kutschbach, gave the ultimate sacrifice on July 15, 1953, at the age of 21. He was married 2 days before he shipped out to Korea and did not have children. As his niece, I will fight for him, and his comrades. Thank you.

[Bando]

I do hope her voice gets heard by those that need to hear this.

[johncage]

 

 

The monolith — made by some Egyptian company for $US21,550

 

there's the problem. why would people outsource something like this. the manager of this projects needs to have his head caved in

[II./JG27_Rich]

Remember the Tonight Show when Jay use to go out and ask people in the street some general facts about their country and the world in general......Get my drift 

[Bearcat]

That is not what I meant.

 

This is what I meant:

 

Egyptian company = Foreign company from a country with a questionable sympathy for the US

 

Taliban = Taliban

 

Both unsuitable for selection to make a US war memorial.

 

Fair enough..

there's the problem. why would people outsource something like this. the manager of this projects needs to have his head caved in

I don't know about having his head caved in .. which could be fatal.. but whoever that person is they certainly don't need to be incharge of anything like this again in the future..

[Emgy]

Cutting corners, outsourcing...

There was a western army that outsourced all their low-level IT services... end result: one of their field HQs in Afghanistan had only one printer (they needed many more) because the IT service company was cutting corners. That army has now re-acquired IT services capability so they don't have to outsource it.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Calvamos