FW190 Dates

[PatrickAWlson]

Can somebody provides introduction and withdrawal dates for the various FW190 types in the game.  I am finding information on the types but it is really difficult to find intro/withdrawal information.

 

Anybody have a sense of how quickly older types were withdrawn when new types became available?

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

In order to have an idea

 

A2 (Sept 41 - Autumn 42)

A3 (Spring 42- late 42)

A4 (Autumn 42 to mid 43

A5 (January 43 - late 43

A6 (Summer 43 - Spring 44)

A7 Dec 43 - Summer 44

A8 March 44 to Bodenplatte

A9 Fall 44 to the end

D9 September 44 to the end

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

At first when I saw the title I thought it was a spambot topic.

 

'Find FW190 dates near you'

 

 

[PatrickAWlson]

35 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

At first when I saw the title I thought it was a spambot topic.

 

'Find FW190 dates near you'

 

 

 

Petite and curvy.  Very cute.  Packs a wallop.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

10 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Petite and curvy.  Very cute.  Packs a wallop.

 

Would fly again

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

In order to have an idea

 

A2 (Sept 41 - Autumn 42)

A3 (Spring 42- late 42)

A4 (Autumn 42 to mid 43

A5 (January 43 - late 43

A6 (Summer 43 - Spring 44)

A7 Dec 43 - Summer 44

A8 March 44 to Bodenplatte

A9 Fall 44 to the end

D9 September 44 to the end

 

A-6s were in service in daylight units until the fall of 1944, then in night attack squadrons to the end of the war.

[JLean]

 

Some more figures. Sums of available planes in day fighters. Note not all U & R and mixed data included in the snapshot. I think it gives a idea about what versions was dominant at what period. 

Above numbers collected to excel from https://www.ww2.dk/

[PatrickAWlson]

Sort of on topic: FW 190 A6 payload.  Set MG17.  Anybody know what that refers to?  Obviously something to do with the fuselage mounted MGs but what happens if I select this?

[=621=Samikatz]

5 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Sort of on topic: FW 190 A6 payload.  Set MG17.  Anybody know what that refers to?  Obviously something to do with the fuselage mounted MGs but what happens if I select this?

 

Puts the Mg17s back on if you select a mod that removes them, like the anti-bomber one

[PatrickAWlson]

4 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

 

Puts the Mg17s back on if you select a mod that removes them, like the anti-bomber one

 

Thanks.  I think I'll make that my standard Sturm Jager load.

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

1 hour ago, JLean said:

 

Some more figures. Sums of available planes in day fighters. Note not all U & R and mixed data included in the snapshot. I think it gives a idea about what versions was dominant at what period. 

Above numbers collected to excel from https://www.ww2.dk/

Guessing the majority of 190s were prioritized as jabos or were their numbers similar or less?

[oc2209]

4 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Petite and curvy.  Very cute.  Packs a wallop.

 

Just don't call the 190D 'Langnasen' to her face, though. Won't end well for you.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, =621=Samikatz said:

Puts the Mg17s back on if you select a mod that removes them, like the anti-bomber one

 

Yes, that and the G-3 loadouts. 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

1 hour ago, oc2209 said:

 

Just don't call the 190D 'Langnasen' to her face, though. Won't end well for you.

 

Lol I thought about this one too

 

Dora. Pointy nose, 2/10, would not fly.

Edited February 16, 2021 by I./JG52_Woutwocampe

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

8 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

A-6s were in service in daylight units until the fall of 1944, then in night attack squadrons to the end of the war.

You could find every kind of 190A at the end of war...

The main thing is each model started to be replace from the date i give.

 

There was more than 200 A6 in service from Oct.43 to Feb44 but from May 44, there isn't more than 75 and the number decrease quickly

[LukeFF]

59 minutes ago, StaB/Tomio_VR*** said:

You could find every kind of 190A at the end of war...

The main thing is each model started to be replace from the date i give.

 

There was more than 200 A6 in service from Oct.43 to Feb44 but from May 44, there isn't more than 75 and the number decrease quickly

 

Yes, but the fact remains they were in frontline service to the end of the war - not in some backwater training unit. 

[PatrickAWlson]

PWCG handles this through an introduction date, end production date, and withdrawal date.  Deliveries start with the in production date.  End with the end production date.  And on the withdrawal date any remaining aircraft in service are removed and replaced with newer models. 

 

The supply system is dynamic.  As long as production continues the type will continue to be produced and supplied to units that fly the archtype (archtype = fw190a, type = fw190a5, fw190a6, etc.).  A weighted sliding window algorithm is used to emulate ramp up and ram down of production of types actively in production within the archtype.  It emulates the historical flow but is not a perfect recreation of history - i.e. as the player plays the career he will see his FW190 being upgraded gradually throughout the war.  What he will not see is wrknmr 103045 delivered to his unit on Mar 5th 1943 exactly as it happened in real life.

 

With that in mind, the information provided is what I needed.  Much appreciated.

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

12 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, but the fact remains they were in frontline service to the end of the war - not in some backwater training unit. 

Of course, there is always a place they can serve with success.

In case of A6, most of them in summer 44 were in detachment Kuhlmey in Finland (66 of them with II./JG54 in June) meaning the plane had almost completely disappear on the western front.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detachment_Kuhlmey

PatrickAWIson asked what time each model started to be withdraw but with your logic, they are never withdraw because you can always find few here or there...

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by StaB/Tomio_VR***

[Jade_Monkey]

23 hours ago, JLean said:

 

Some more figures. Sums of available planes in day fighters. Note not all U & R and mixed data included in the snapshot. I think it gives a idea about what versions was dominant at what period. 

Above numbers collected to excel from https://www.ww2.dk/

 

 

Out of curiosity, I'm assuming that those A3 models in 1944 were just being used for training?

And the fluctuation (especially up) means that some were out of order for a little and when they are repaired they start counting again?

[JLean]

All the above comments are right and supported by figures. Some fruits from excel:

 

Units having A-3 & A-4 at July 

 

And A-6

 

 

Seems that eastern front I/JG54  & II/JG54 being only one having significant amount of A-6 & other older variants

 

Note: Only Jagdwaffe figures above no SG:s here.

 

JLean

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by JLean

[LukeFF]

4 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Out of curiosity, I'm assuming that those A3 models in 1944 were just being used for training?

 

JG 5 had some A-3s in their inventory as late as December 1944: http://ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biiijg5.html

[Bremspropeller]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

JG 5 had some A-3s in their inventory as late as December 1944: http://ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biiijg5.html

 

...and thrugh to '45.

 

Check this and scroll down (search) to Lt. Eisermann's A-3.

http://www.jagdgeschwader5und7.de/fw-190-piloten-und-maschinen/