Game unplayable in campaign mode due to ground looping.

[Galatinus]

I am in the custom BoB campaign where you get 601 Sqn hurricane. I am based at Tangmere. It does not matter what I do...I apply power to the Hurricane and it ground loops...every. single. time. This is nuts. I have recalib my joystick I have disabled wheel brakes. Nothing works. I have to go down the runway with the stick pulled back...as soon as I try to gain any airpseed with even a bit of forward movement...SPLAT. UP AND OVER. Broken prop or it goes inverted.

 

Then if I do get up 1/2 the time landing on a grass strip...FLIP. 

 

This is freaking retarded. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Please identify the name of the campaign so that I can proceed to a test: "Cliffs of Dover"? "Rising from the Ashes"? Is it elsewhere in the game?

[OBT-Mikmak]

@Galatinus,

Maybe you run too fast on ground before take off and one of your landing gear tire explodes leading to a flip of your aircraft.

Are you sure that nothing hold your wheel brake ?

[buster_dee]

My guess is that the wheel brake axis is reversed. If your brake pressure needles are deflected, the brakes are applied. Then again, if it only happens on this campaign, I'm full of excrement and need a Lance Corporal dressing down. 

[DD_FT-]

Even if you've disabled wheel brakes and do thus do not have them on a slider, they may be sticky at initial spawn.

Try and assign a key to wheel brake, tap it once before starting your taxi / take-off ...

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

13 hours ago, Galatinus said:

I am in the custom BoB campaign where you get 601 Sqn hurricane. I am based at Tangmere. It does not matter what I do...I apply power to the Hurricane and it ground loops...every. single. time. This is nuts. I have recalib my joystick I have disabled wheel brakes. Nothing works. I have to go down the runway with the stick pulled back...as soon as I try to gain any airpseed with even a bit of forward movement...SPLAT. UP AND OVER. Broken prop or it goes inverted.

 

Then if I do get up 1/2 the time landing on a grass strip...FLIP. 

 

This is freaking retarded. 

Hello Galatinus

 

Did you have time to look through the 'Getting Started and Troubleshooting Guide'?

 

Well worthwhile if you are having problems...  also look at the Aircraft manual flashcards.

 

Regarding takeoff:

 

These are piston engined aircraft with large props... which develop huge amounts of thrust... both the engine torque and prop thrust cause asymetrical loading on the fuselage and tail surfaces at low speeds which cause the aircraft to veer sideways.

 

You must correct this tendency with rudder on takeoff... and usually a little aileron is also needed.

 

Additionally, you need to very gradually increase throttle during takeoff... correcting with rudder as you do so.  Do not push the throttle fully forward immediately.  Start with enough power to get your aircraft rolling and then gradually and smoothly increase the power... as mentioned... correcting for torque and prop thrust as you do so.

 

Keep the aircraft running straight down the runway, intially with the stick pulled slightly back, but as you gain speed, you can gradually move the stick forwards to the neutral postion.

 

Generally let the aircraft fly itself off on its own... don't yank back on the stick and try to pull it airborne prematurely.  You only need mild back pressure on the stick and the aircraft should fly itself off.

 

As soon as you are airborne and have enough height to clear obstacles and trees, level out and raise your undercarriage.  Don't let your aircraft get too fast or the undercarriage will jam in the partially retracted position due to excessive air pressure.

 

You don't need to use flaps on most fighter types... except perhaps the twin engined fighters... and then you only use partial flaps.  Same with twin engined bombers.  You don't need full flaps... full flaps are only used for landing.

[Galatinus]

The aircraft flips over on its back. I have tried everything. Same when I land on that field...im fine taxiing at 50 mph and slowing down...FLIP. No brakes applied. I go down the runway and as soon as I get any airspeed...and those comes up level...noes down. FLIP. Im on my back. Again. 

 

I have restarted the mission a dozen times and tried everything. Sometimes If I apply flaps on T.O I can get it up before it flips over. Its as if at a certain point the wheels lock up 100 percent for no reason.

Edited February 13, 2021 by Galatinus

[56RAF_Stickz]

also make sure you have rpm set to 2850/3000 (ie max 100%). If you have it low, it will accelerate slow but the pull to one side is much greater and maybe trim/rudder wont hold it so you get ground loop.

[Galatinus]

Thanks for all the replies. Its appreciated. ?

 

Ok the campaign is "Battle of Britain" and its that one the Russian fellow did. You fly for 601 Sqn Hurricane. He has BoF and Dunkirk as well. 

 

Ok...I just flew "Free Flight England" and landed and took off from Tangmere no problem at all. No flips all good. Took off from Biggin Hill in a Hurricane IA as well. All good. 

 

...Its the campaign Tangmere 601 Sqn missions. I have no idea why. Its like the runway is a foot of mud. Any other mission no problems. I hope there is a workaround. 

 

...ok and I just took off in "Cliffs of Dover Redux" at Tangmere. All good. At least I can fly that one. 

 

...Ok the 1st 3 missions did not have the  Scramble 1 line in them. I added them and now its ok. If you start without it you don't start with chocks in. It seems to have messed up the ground modelling. 

 

[BoB_RAF_F_601Sqn_Early.01] 
  Flight0  1 4 6
  Class Aircraft.HurricaneMkI
  Formation LINEABREAST
  CallSign 2
  Fuel 90
  Weapons 1
  Scramble 1 
  Skill 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
  Aging 50
  Skin0 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial0 2235
  Skin1 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial1 2239
  Skin2 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial2 2277

Edited February 13, 2021 by Galatinus

[Buzzsaw]

9 hours ago, Galatinus said:

Thanks for all the replies. Its appreciated. ?

 

Ok the campaign is "Battle of Britain" and its that one the Russian fellow did. You fly for 601 Sqn Hurricane. He has BoF and Dunkirk as well. 

 

Ok...I just flew "Free Flight England" and landed and took off from Tangmere no problem at all. No flips all good. Took off from Biggin Hill in a Hurricane IA as well. All good. 

 

...Its the campaign Tangmere 601 Sqn missions. I have no idea why. Its like the runway is a foot of mud. Any other mission no problems. I hope there is a workaround. 

 

...ok and I just took off in "Cliffs of Dover Redux" at Tangmere. All good. At least I can fly that one. 

 

...Ok the 1st 3 missions did not have the  Scramble 1 line in them. I added them and now its ok. If you start without it you don't start with chocks in. It seems to have messed up the ground modelling. 

 

[BoB_RAF_F_601Sqn_Early.01] 
  Flight0  1 4 6
  Class Aircraft.HurricaneMkI
  Formation LINEABREAST
  CallSign 2
  Fuel 90
  Weapons 1
  Scramble 1 
  Skill 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
  Aging 50
  Skin0 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial0 2235
  Skin1 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial1 2239
  Skin2 Hurricane-MkI-RAF-early-1940.jpg
  Serial2 2277

Can you go into your 'Documents/1C SoftClub/il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover/' folder and delete the 'cache' folder?

 

Your issue should have nothing to do with whether the aircraft mission is 'Scramble' or not.... this has nothing to do with the code for ground handling.

 

Also, did you recalibrate your joystick in windows?

[Galatinus]

That worked it was the cache. Thanks much. ?

Edited February 14, 2021 by Galatinus

[Skywarp]

Sometimes I face exactly the same problem with the Spitfire, in the Channel map.

It's not a keybinding or joystick calibration issue...

[Buzzsaw]

1 hour ago, Skywarp said:

Sometimes I face exactly the same problem with the Spitfire, in the Channel map.

It's not a keybinding or joystick calibration issue...

Please take a look at the Aircraft manual flashcards in the main IL-2 folder in 'manuals'.

 

Also please read the 'Getting Started and Troubleshooting Guide'.

 

These can help with takeoff.

 

It is important for the throttle to be gradually added.... smoothly bring the aircraft up to speed.

 

You will also need to add rudder to prevent the aircraft from veering to one side... this is a function of engine torque and prop thrust and must be countered.  This is the physics of WWII prop driven types.

[Skywarp]

Buzzsaw, I fly CLoD since 2016... and sometimes this bug returns.

 

It has nothing with joystick or the way I'm taking off... it's something else. 

 

I've done dozens of missions taking off with no issues... but in some occasions... on specific missions... this bug appear and I feel like a noob that is playing for the 1st time, with a PlayStation joystick...

Edited April 18, 2021 by Skywarp

[Buzzsaw]

11 minutes ago, Skywarp said:

Buzzsaw, I fly CLoD since 2016... and sometimes this bug returns.

 

It has nothing with joystick or the way I'm taking off... it's something else. 

 

I've done dozens of missions taking off with no issues... but in some occasions... on specific missions... this bug appear and I feel like a noob that is playing for the 1st time, with a PlayStation joystick...

You probably want to look at your install.

 

There are no bugs with aircraft that cause ground loops on takeoff.