Bearcat Posted May 31, 2014 Posted May 31, 2014 Do you guys think that OR support can significantly improve BOS sales? People who has not tested the Rift in a flight simulator game or demo can not properly answer this question. Rift users will buy BoS/RoF if supported, BoS/RoF users will buy Rift if supported. Chicken or egg, what if first. As an easy test and as the render engine is the same, you could first introduce support to the Rfit for RoF and measure the market reaction. I am not a rich person, but I will be able to pay 50-100€ for getting the rift DK2 support as a feature in the RoF. Sure we can.. and for what it is worth I have to agree with Loft.. If OR was fully ready and on the market in HD and with full support at a reasonable price at or within say 6 months to a year of the release of BoS .. then this would be different.. but to take the time and effort to make a project.. with a schedule to keep.. and a waiting market.. a very finicky, demanding, almost rabid (I am being kind ..) market that will chew you up and cuss you out as if you took food off their table and thier daughter's virginity.. so that a handfull iof guys who have the early DK of OR can be happy.. is stupid and that isn't these guys. The OR isn't even done yet ... why take a project that is not done and already on a very tight schedule .. and set it back farther with technology that is not even refined itself yet? Their stance makes perfect sense to me. Another POV, do you think not supporting OR will improve sales? And what if getting OR support later adds a couple of years to the sim's life, in other words, makes it more durable in the market? But, OTOH, what will happen to the sales figures should other competing WWII sims get OR support before BoS does? I am prone to be more positive towards the quoted statement. And I also guess that OR will become mainstream in one or two years time, when resolution and other bits are maxed out, in other words, more or less, just one or two years before the middle of BoS lifetime. I really don't see the need to be among the first riding the wave in this case. Let's the rest do the hard part to pave the way and then we will follow. BoS is spectacular enough already, no need to add more strobe lighting to the show by now. No need to rush to a honey pot already packed with flies. I even see more profitable for all of us, 777 and simmers community, waiting to extend BoS life with OR support added in the future. TIR still makes my day. AA_Engadin. This guy gets it.. Personally, I think if these upcoming VR units had been on the market for a couple of years and had become mainsteam peripherals, then 777 would indeed be missing the ball. But no one knows yet what effect these units will actually have on a large number of users long term. Maybe none, or maybe motion sickness or eyestrain from extended play will start causing problems. If VR doesn't turn out to be what most of us want and hope for, then a lot of wasted effort might have been put into BoS that could have been used to create a better sim. A bad sim using VR is still a bad sim. So does this guy.. Guys, First, we are not stepping away from Occulus support. You are taking Loft's statement a little far. We are simply not pursuing it as hard as we were because every time we get close to proper implementation something changes. Hardware, requirements, Facebook etc. and right now we need to be focused on completing our project with as few distractions as possible. We have an open line of communication with Oculus and I have shown them BOS in their office several times now and gotten their feedback. We are simply waiting for the new Dev Kit hardware to hit. I have two on order. We have asked OR for DK2 hardware to be given to us asap. Whether we get them or not is up to OR. There is more I could say, but can't due to NDA. But I will say that in my discussions with the OR folks, the reality of sim development and perceived OR ready game-play are not always a complete match. We've made a big effort to support OR so far. However, until the hardware is up the job and the requirements are easily understood we are not going to release support for it publicly. There is a lot of hype surrounding OR and it is a going to be a good product and probably a successful one assuming devs support it. But supporting it, at least in this early stages is pretty complex work and we need to keep our eye on the prize. I think the fact that you see OR jumping into the game publishing and development biz shows that the whole accessory/developer process is an inexact science. I dealt with this when I was at Naturalpoint and I see OR going through some of the same issues, albeit with a lot more mojo on their side. Jason .. and this guy.. he definitely gets it.. so my take is .. ATM .. who needs OR when we have TIR .. When OR becomes the HD truly VR tool we are all hoping it will be .. then we will have a different story.. but until then .. Staaaaaaaaaayyyy the course... Staaaaaaaaayyyyy the course.. and with the DK2 at what... $350 a pop? Riiiight.. Drop $120 and get a track IR .. see you in a few years.. If these guys were hinging the success of this endeavor, or even considering it's long term success around a $350 peripheral.. that is still in development itself they'd be nuts. Whether VR is a niche or not is moot and totally irrelevant.. Of course it isn't a niche.. When/If it is fully developed it will become as integral a part of our society as stereo and technicolor was way back when ... and it will probably morph into something more just as those two technologies did but at the moment we do not have a fully realized VR... even if it is just an optical VR and not a tactile VR as well.. VR is the future.. and the future is coming regardless.... This community has 16086 total members.. even if we took out say 300 members for spambots .. that would still leave 13086 members here... so knock off 86 and round iot to an even 13000 for the heck of it ... out of that 13000 how many of those folks have OR or would be willing to spend $350 to get it to fly this sim? Factor in the other folks who may not be on this forum.. although .. you have to come here to buy the sim right.. ? It isn't on Amazon yet... so what are we looking at here? These guys have a plan and they have been doing a GREAT job of carrying it out.. I say more power to 'em and keep it moving.. There will be time for OR when the sim is done and becomes a WIP. Right now it is in Alpha/Beta depending on who you talk to ... so all this angst over OR at this point in both the OR development and the BoS development is blowing smoke and chest thumping. It's just the same old weeping and gnashing of teeth over stuff that ihn the long run will not even matter than has permeated these boards at the hands of a few vocal folks since the sim was forst announced.. Some of the players have changed ... some haven't ... but it's the same stuff.... "What!!! No Trim!!" "What!!! Limited Access!!" "What!!! Unlocking!!!???" "What!!!! " ... I say .. what EVER... Keep up the great work Jason. Zak, Loft and crew... Don't alter your course because folks in steerage who have no idea about the workings of the ship think you should... Yeah I know that may sound harsh and of course it is just my opinion .. but there it is.
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