Competitor for the Me 262?

[jollyjack]

Can the P80 be a competitor for the Me 262?

 

[blue_max]

I'd really like a gloster meteor F3!

[AndyJWest]

A competitor in what sense? The P-80 arrived too late to see combat during WW2.

[blue_max]

3 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

A competitor in what sense? The P-80 arrived too late to see combat during WW2.

Yeah, but a three way P-80 VS Me262 VS Meteor would be so frigging awesome. And for people that are sticklers for historical accuracy... just don't press that button and pretend it doesn't exist

[WheelwrightPL]

13 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

A competitor in what sense? The P-80 arrived too late to see combat during WW2.

 

Yes and no. A single prototype example possibly flew a recon mission over North Italy to try to intercept AR-234 which was then untouchable.

That's close enough for me.

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by WheelwrightPL
Changed AR-232 to AR-234

[AndyJWest]

6 minutes ago, blue_max said:

Yeah, but a three way P-80 VS Me262 VS Meteor would be so frigging awesome. And for people that are sticklers for historical accuracy... just don't press that button and pretend it doesn't exist

 

Well, if the idea is to add the P-80 to IL-2 GB, I'd have to suggest that there are a heck of a lot more aircraft to add that actually saw significant service in WW2 before the developers need to start engaging in 'what if' scenarios. Up to the developers of course, but so far they seem disinclined to go down that path.

Edited January 25, 2021 by AndyJWest

[blue_max]

2 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Well, if the suggestion is to add the P-80 to IL-2 GB, I'd have to suggest that there are a heck of a lot more aircraft to add that actually saw significant service in WW2 before the developers need to start engaging in 'what if' scenarios. Up to the developers of course, but so far they seem disinclined to go down that path.

Of course you are right, but the question is: what gives us players a significantly new experience? Jet versus jet would be super cool. Another variant of the 109... not so much (to pick the other extreme). I'm sure the people on this forum would go for historical accuracy any time of the day, but me and my group of friends? We'd jump on a p80 or meteor collector plane!

[CountZero]

If in ww2 axis side had numerical eauqal or advantage you see regulary online then airplanes like P-80 would be fighting them in 1945 in big numbers, so for MP yes that airplane would be good to have. When you have your enemy beten up like axis were in 44-45 you dont need to put prototypes in air as mutch as axis had to.

For me best is just to avoid puting airplanes like 262 or 234 on online missions if you aint gona give allieds numerical advantage they had insted adding more jets in game. If you wont to cosplay as desperate prototype pilot for axis side in late war then its only fair that you feal why they were needed, and not enjoy numerical advantage or pairity that didnt exist.

[blue_max]

4 minutes ago, CountZero said:

If in ww2 axis side had numerical eauqal or advantage you see regulary online then airplanes like P-80 would be fighting them in 1945 in big numbers, so for MP yes that airplane would be good to have. When you have your enemy beten up like axis were in 44-45 you dont need to put prototypes in air as mutch as axis had to.

For me best is just to avoid puting airplanes like 262 or 234 on online missions if you aint gona give allieds numerical advantage they had insted adding more jets in game. If you wont to cosplay as desperate prototype pilot for axis side in late war then its only fair that you feal why they were needed, and not enjoy numerical advantage or pairity that didnt exist.

Excellent point! I read that the Meteor was not allowed to operate beyond eindhoven because they didn't want any chance of it falling into the hands of the Sovjets. But of course you only do that because the enemy is out of the fight anyway. So it would be more historically accurate to have meteors and p80s flying around on the MP servers! Ha. Great line of argumentation. 

[AndyJWest]

2 minutes ago, blue_max said:

Of course you are right, but the question is: what gives us players a significantly new experience? Jet versus jet would be super cool. Another variant of the 109... not so much (to pick the other extreme). I'm sure the people on this forum would go for historical accuracy any time of the day, but me and my group of friends? We'd jump on a p80 or meteor collector plane!

 

Given the choice, I'd go with the Meteor first. Don't need to rewrite history quite so far for combat with the Me 262. And a P-80/F-80 would make more sense for IL-2 GB Korea, if they ever get around to that.

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

Not going to go on about it too much because everyone else has nailed the point; The P-80 saw minimal service in WW2.

 

 

The Gloster Meteor however was arguably the most significant allied jet of the war. (Considering the rest were still on the drawing board or on trials.)

It ties in especially well with the GB franchise in comparison to the P-80. This boils down to a few main areas.

 

1. The Meteor has airfields it actually flew from on both the Rhineland and Channel maps. Farnborough, RAF Manston, B.58 Melsbroek, Nijmegen, etc.

2. In 1944, the Meteor was operational in time to counter the V-1 threat and accounted for 14 shot down by the wars end. (The V-1 is coming in BoN)

3. By the end of the war, the Meteor had destroyed 46 parked Luftwaffe aircraft.

 

The P-80s role as a high altitude recon aircraft couldn't be incorperated into the GB series too well. So the Meteor is the most realistic choice.

 

Is it a rival to the 262? No. There simply weren't any jets that could face off the 262 before Germany had run out of war to lose.

Look to the Tempest, Spit XIV and Mustang for aircraft that combatted the 262.

 

...Or just add the 40mm Bofors gun to the game.

[jollyjack]

Uhh ..

 

[Enceladus828]

I asked a man that I know who flew the Meteor for the RAF from 1954-1958 who would win between a Meteor and Me-262 engagement, and he said the Meteor would likely win because the engines were less prone to catching fire than the engines on the Me-262 when advancing/retarding the throttles.

 

But in the right circumstances the Me-262 could win over the Meteor.

 

But yeah, unless Korea is added, I don't see the P-80 being added to the game, just like the Go-229 will likely not be added: waste of time when other planes that saw considerable action could be added.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Enceladus

[jollyjack]

PS this Meteor i remember having as a small metal toy model as a kid:

 

[ubik_2008]

If I had to choose, my vote would go to the Meteor, since as opposed to the P-80 it saw limited but nonetheless significant operation during WW2 against  V-1s and in recon / ground attack roles as stated above.

Not to count that it would be a first in combat sims AFAIK.

Just imagining a nice package Meteor + V-1 as part of BoBP or BON...

Edited January 27, 2021 by ubik_2008

[migmadmarine]

I recall Jason saying he'd like to see a meteor one day, (if I remember correctly it was part of a post in which he said he'd love to be able to do a pack of variants an types that weren't included in existing modules, though that is unlikely to happen anytime soon) and I'd be down for it, but I ain't holding my breath. I imagine a P/F-80 would only come if they ever do make the jump to Korea way in the future, but that too is unlikely anytime soon.