Marvel Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 Hi guys, I am looking faor a German KG13 grip replica to use with my DIY gimball joystick. I have heard some forum user who built it, but none of them, at the moment, are not producing it anymore. Could you suggest me where could I can purchase it, please? Many thanks! Ciao! M
Sokol1 Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 Cheeb2006 don't make under order? https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/23860-kg-13-from-kbtt-another-one-look-on-the-replica/?tab=comments#comment-443647
Marvel Posted January 15, 2021 Author Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Cheeb2006 said me he doesn't make no more. His grip is no more available for purchasing... Pity.... It was super! Baur too not produce it no more. My hope is Replika Gear.... ? M Edited January 15, 2021 by Marvel
Sokol1 Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Log in il2sturmovik.ru (same password from il2sturmovik.com) and in "Fea Market" post that you want a KG 12/13-B, eventually someone sell there, I have see even real KG's or P1-M (Russian copy of KG-12/12-B) on sales there in the past. Until Replika set their production, an reasonable workaround is VKB KG 12-B - that is not "replica", but "look alike", remove VKB electronic circuit and twist MARS sensor, wire the 3 buttons and POV HAT (or replace this by a button) as matrix in your USB controller. BTW - Is probable that some guys in this forum has one VKB KG 12-B in the drawer, replaced by MCG or SCG grips. Years ago are an guy in Germany(?) making cast copies in aluminum. https://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4255604/Luftwaffe_controls_for_simmers Or make one these functional, trigger and buttons are movable: https://www.cockpitrockers.de/en/produkt/pilot-and-cockpit-equipment/kg-13-control-stick-for-pilots-of-the-luftwaffe/ 3D files for 3D printer. https://grabcad.com/library/kg-13-flight-control-grip-1 Edited January 15, 2021 by Sokol1 1
Ryanair_Walshie Posted January 15, 2021 Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 6:16 AM, Picchio said: Late bump. KG12 grip is still available, in case someone's interested! Right down the page! VKB stuff for sale
Marvel Posted January 18, 2021 Author Posted January 18, 2021 Hi Sokol, thanks for reply! I will try to ask on IL-2.ru as per your suggestion. I would like to get a plastic copy of the grip to adapt it to my new gimball joystick. Aluminium german copy is very cool but too expensive also.... As you said, VKB is a "look alike" copy....sincerely I am looking for a more closest copy. I have Grabcad 3d file but it haven't knurling on the grip. I tried to ask to the designer the original solidworks file for trying to add knurling, but him told me he aven't no more the solidworks file. His has only stp and iges files of the grip. Another Grabcad user is working on the part with the knurking only and he give me the file for 3d printer. I will try to print it for check the knurling appearence. Having a 3d printer I would also need the files for the various components of the handle and then print them myself, paying what is needed, obviously. I Hope to find what I wish.... Ciao! M
Marvel Posted January 18, 2021 Author Posted January 18, 2021 Hi Sokol, guys on russian forum (https://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/14303-kg13-%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0/?tab=comments#comment-821177) suggested me this site for purchasing the grip: http://aviasim-control.com/?id=19 It looks really good. What do you think about? Ciao! M
Sokol1 Posted January 18, 2021 Posted January 18, 2021 Is static replica or buttons are functional? anyway look's very nice and the price good, worth even if need add buttons.
Marvel Posted January 18, 2021 Author Posted January 18, 2021 Right question! ? Next I will ask they. Ciao! M
Marvel Posted January 24, 2021 Author Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 6:42 PM, Sokol1 said: Is static replica or buttons are functional? anyway look's very nice and the price good, worth even if need add buttons. Hi Sokol, Aviasim-control replied me buttons, trigger and cables all functional. I have already ordered it. Ciao! M 1
Panzerlang Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Marvel said: Hi Sokol, Aviasim-control replied me buttons, trigger and cables all functional. I have already ordered it. Ciao! M Unfortunately I'm unable to find anywhere on his site the info regarding how to mount the grip. What base does it work with? Edited January 24, 2021 by JG51-Hetzer
Sokol1 Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) @JG51-Hetzer The Aviasim-control grip has no specific mount, the lower part is just a tube, like the original grip, so you need a, e.g. Tm/VirPil mechanical adapter. If you have and Warthog, VPC base, the more easy way is order an adapter from Debolestis Shapeways* - ask hin in DCS Forum for change the upper part of one of their TM adapter for match the KG 13-B grip tube, he use do requested modifications. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/debolestis Besides the mechanical adapter you need a 8 bit CD4021 Shift Register, for convert the KG 13-B button press in serial code for Tm and VirPil bases. See an TM adapter and the CD4021 Shift Register, in the - no longer produced; Cheed2006 KG 13-B. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2017/post-16254-0-15285700-1512402541.jpg * Or draw and 3D Print one. For VKB base the solution will be more complicated, because they follow Apple mindset, nothing is compatible with PC, or in their case, with other joysticks bases/grips, requiring their own - and most time "sold out"; mechanical and electronics adapter. Edited January 24, 2021 by Sokol1 1
Marvel Posted January 25, 2021 Author Posted January 25, 2021 @JG51-Hetzer: As Sokol saids, there's not info for mount the grip on a specific mechanism. You must to adapt it to you own mechanism. When mine will arrive, I will adapt it to my own mechanism. I will use a 32pin military socket (https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005001269851479.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4e51767a2WyFpj&algo_pvid=a9141836-20bf-4e89-a5bc-6d6762a0d4f6&algo_expid=a9141836-20bf-4e89-a5bc-6d6762a0d4f6-6&btsid=2100bdf116062062852803713e31e7&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_) This also I will adapt to my pourposes. Ciao! M
Marvel Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Hi guys, well, finally Aviasim's KG13 is arrived and it is absolutely awesome!!! Here some pictures. As you can see construction is really very good and the feel on hands is absolutely great! I can't wait to put it on my new flight sim station arrangement. If you're looking for a good KG13 replica I think this is a great choose! Ciao! Marco Edited March 22, 2021 by Marvel 3 1
Yardstick Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) Looks really nice. Is it metal or cast resin? Edited March 22, 2021 by Yardstick Addition
Marvel Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Yardstick said: Looks really nice. Is it metal or cast resin? 3D printed material, I think is ABS. M 1 1
1stCL/Hybca Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 its absolutely great Marvel! I really want "flyible" KG grip replica (not a like aka VKB) but problem is: cheeb and baur doesn't make no more, aviasim-control not sell for EU (only Belarus, Russia and Kazachstan). I am devastated ?
Marvel Posted January 9, 2023 Author Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 10:37 PM, 1stCL/Hybca said: its absolutely great Marvel! I really want "flyible" KG grip replica (not a like aka VKB) but problem is: cheeb and baur doesn't make no more, aviasim-control not sell for EU (only Belarus, Russia and Kazachstan). I am devastated ? Yep, unfortunately the war has been done damages everywhere.....☹️
1stCL/Hybca Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 9:02 AM, Marvel said: Yep, unfortunately the war has been done damages everywhere.....☹️ it looks promising, aviasim replied to me. But Marvel, you have a Virpil base? How did you connect it and where did you plug the aviasim yellow cables?
Marvel Posted January 12, 2023 Author Posted January 12, 2023 Hi mate, nope, I haven't a Virpil base, I homemade my simrig. I use a Leobodnar BU0836X card (https://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94&products_id=180&zenid=6655ca37fa7ea63229dac555906c61c6). I made my own base in ergal with Hall sensors for X and Y axes: I linked yellow cables into BU0836X card. I linked all cables by myself. Hope this help you. Ciao! M
Sokol1 Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 23 hours ago, 1stCL/Hybca said: is promising, aviasim replied to me. But Marvel, you have a Virpil base? How did you connect it and where did you plug the aviasim yellow cables? If you plan use VirPil or Thrustmaster base, need use a shift register circuit in between, like I explain there. Quote The Aviasim-control grip has no specific mount, the lower part is just a tube, like the original grip, so you need a, e.g. Tm/VirPil mechanical adapter. If you have and Warthog, VPC base, the more easy way is order an adapter from Debolestis Shapeways* - ask him in DCS Forum for change the upper part of one of their TM adapter for match the KG 13-B grip tube, he use do requested modifications. https://www.shapeways.com/shops/debolestis Besides the mechanical adapter you need a 8 bit CD4021 Shift Register, for convert the KG 13-B button press in serial code for Tm and VirPil bases. See an TM adapter and the CD4021 Shift Register, in the - no longer produced; Cheed2006 KG 13-B. https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_12_2017/post-16254-0-15285700-1512402541.jpg314.2 kB · 0 downloads Can order the PCB for a 8 bits Shift register there: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/ta3Mpmcz * Or draw and 3D Print one. For VKB base the solution will be more complicated, because they follow Apple mindset, nothing is compatible with PC, or in their case, with other joysticks bases/grips, requiring their own - and most time "sold out"; mechanical and electronics adapter.
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