Complex engine management - how to?

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

Hay Guys,

 

I'm simming for about 40 years now, yet new to BoS (and Bodenplatte). Earlier I played CoD, now I bought BoS for VR.

I just tried to assign every function for complex engine management to my TM HW joystick and throttle, but this sim drives me nuts. I switched off all assistance (except auto pilot) in Custom setting (didn't choose Expert, because that one has apparently no outside view enabled to check radiator movement), but whatever I assign to the oil and water radiator movement, they just don't move. I tried analog axis, no joy. I tried 4-way POV button directions as "axis" (which is one of the weirdest thing this sim offers out of all the others, which if they say axis, they expect analog axis for sure). I could switch off auto oil radiator to have manual adjustment, but this is about where the whole show stopped for me. I couldn't move the in game oil rad switch to any side to open or close radiator, no matter what I assigned for this function in the key mapping section. Same goes to water/coolant switch.

Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong please?

[Plurp]

2 hours ago, Razor18 said:

Hay Guys,

 

I'm simming for about 40 years now, yet new to BoS (and Bodenplatte). Earlier I played CoD, now I bought BoS for VR.

I just tried to assign every function for complex engine management to my TM HW joystick and throttle, but this sim drives me nuts. I switched off all assistance (except auto pilot) in Custom setting (didn't choose Expert, because that one has apparently no outside view enabled to check radiator movement), but whatever I assign to the oil and water radiator movement, they just don't move. I tried analog axis, no joy. I tried 4-way POV button directions as "axis" (which is one of the weirdest thing this sim offers out of all the others, which if they say axis, they expect analog axis for sure). I could switch off auto oil radiator to have manual adjustment, but this is about where the whole show stopped for me. I couldn't move the in game oil rad switch to any side to open or close radiator, no matter what I assigned for this function in the key mapping section. Same goes to water/coolant switch.

Can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong please?

For which plane/planes?

 

There are generic water and oil rad key bindings. 

 

Specific:  111/110 oil rad.  109/110 spit water rad.  Inlets and outlets.  Some may/may not work with an axis.

 

Some are auto with no manual/ some  have a manual after switching off the auto.

 

Try a yak-1 69.  It has your basic manual water and oil rads and you can see them from an external view.  I also just confirmed that they work on my saitek throttle and my thustmaster joystick throttle.  Try with a keyboard binding and then try with a axis and see if you can get them to work.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Plurp

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

Problem is they don't even work with the keyboard bindings on any aircraft ! Except for the Me-109, but that one has separate command line in the key mapping section too !

Edited December 26, 2020 by Razor18

[Plurp]

7 minutes ago, Razor18 said:

Problem is they don't even work with the keyboard bindings on any aircraft ! Except for the Me-109, but that one has separate command line in the key mapping section too !

Do you have radiator assist checked under realism settings.  Just check 109F-4.  I could switch on manual water and adjust from there, but with the yak I could do nothing unless I turned off auto rad. 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Plurp

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

I only can choose from Normal, Expert or Custom right before mission start. "Expert" mode switches all assistance off, including unfortunately outside views too. So I chose Custom, and unchecked everythng in the right column of assistance options.

[Plurp]

39 minutes ago, Razor18 said:

I only can choose from Normal, Expert or Custom right before mission start. "Expert" mode switches all assistance off, including unfortunately outside views too. So I chose Custom, and unchecked everythng in the right column of assistance options.

I would then use the yak-1 69 as a testbed and try using the different keyboard bindings and see which one works (if any) and go from there.  I have changed my key bindings to have all water rads on one binding (including the ju-88 outlet cowls)  all oil on another so that they the 2 key bindings work on all the planes that have manual settings.

 

Also, for what planes you have the 109s, p-51, p-38 have auto rads with some adjustment in manual mode. (water) and 51/38 can adjust oil in manual. 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Plurp

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

Me-109: in Custom mode, after switching to manual rad control (RCtrl-R), I can open and close the radiator with two positions of the TM HW throttle 4-way switch (coolie hat), which was assigned to the "extra" radiator function commands as "Me-109/110, Spitfire radiator open" and "close". Two lines, two directions, works OK.

The P-51 has an oil rad and a coolant radiator switch, covered and fixed in AUTO position with a red locking cover. I can open both red covers by switching to manual oil and manual water, and now I can move both switches to open or close, so this one is also solved, works OK.

 

But in the Yak, with the same settings, I can only move the mixture, which is assigned to the throttle slider under the thrust levers. Can't switch to manual prop, can't switch to manual oil rad and can't switch to manual water. Pressing the same buttons as worked above, and no feedback text, no adjustment wheel movements, nada.

 

Any advice ? Thanks for the infos so far in a first place... ?

[Plurp]

4 hours ago, Razor18 said:

Me-109: in Custom mode, after switching to manual rad control (RCtrl-R), I can open and close the radiator with two positions of the TM HW throttle 4-way switch (coolie hat), which was assigned to the "extra" radiator function commands as "Me-109/110, Spitfire radiator open" and "close". Two lines, two directions, works OK.

The P-51 has an oil rad and a coolant radiator switch, covered and fixed in AUTO position with a red locking cover. I can open both red covers by switching to manual oil and manual water, and now I can move both switches to open or close, so this one is also solved, works OK.

 

But in the Yak, with the same settings, I can only move the mixture, which is assigned to the throttle slider under the thrust levers. Can't switch to manual prop, can't switch to manual oil rad and can't switch to manual water. Pressing the same buttons as worked above, and no feedback text, no adjustment wheel movements, nada.

 

Any advice ? Thanks for the infos so far in a first place... ?

The yak's rads are manual controlled  by the generic settings. "Oil Radiators Shutters control axis"  and "Water radiators shutters control axis"  so they do not have a manual override switch.

 

The Yak has a constant speed prop which is manually controlled.  Like the p-51, set the desired rpm and the governor will try to keep it at that setting. No switch for manual override.

 

The 109s (except E-7) and p-51 can be left in auto mode for rads for 99% of the time.  109 prop pitch can be left in auto 99% of the time.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Plurp

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

Thanks for the help. Now I tried again, and those controls work, altough the start to move slower than expected after the P-51. Prop pitch does also have longer reaction time... EVerything is hunky dory... ?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

I've posted this before but, it seems appropriate for this thread also.     

 

The general rule for key-binding controls is this:

 

Know the plane you intend to fly.  More specifically, know the buttons/switches/levers/handwheels and what they control in the cockpit.  

 

Every plane control that has IRL levers or handwheels can be bound to either axis or buttons/keys.  

Every plane control that has IRL buttons or switches but, not levers or handwheels, must be bound to keys or buttons.  

 

Certain planes have "horizontal stabilizers" that must be bound under the correct heading.  This is not the same binding as "pitch trim".   

Certain planes that use horizontal stabilizers have wheel/lever systems while others use a push button system IRL.   IIRC, these should be labeled in the bindings menu.  

 

An easy example of differences with what must be bound to buttons-only can be seen in the Pe-2 series.

Pe-2 ser.35  has radiators, all trim settings, and RPM control all controlled by rocker switches in the cockpit, so all these things are button-only binds.  

Pe-2 ser.87  is the same  except the RPM control is a handwheel in the cockpit, so this control can be bound to an axis or bound as keys/buttons or both. 

 

IIRC the same concept applies to 109s and 190s when it comes to "horizontal stabilizer" bindings.   Some use buttons/switches to adjust the stabilizer and can only be bound to keys/buttons.

Others use levers/handwheels to control the stabilizer and should be able to be bound to either axis or keys/buttons.

 

I hope this helps shed some light on the menu conventions for key and axis bindings in the menu.  

[102.R.dd_Blade18]

I understand this, the confusing thing for (maybe not just) me was when the keymapping command line says "... axis", EVERY other flight sim means and expects analog axis to assign ONLY. I never tought " pair of keypresses" can be assigned instead as an "axis", especially if the same two functions separately are in the next two lines below (prop pitch up and pitch down for instance). Not saying it's not good, it just needs to be announced somewhere I think.

After finding this "axis can be keypresses" info for IL-2, it was a breeze. I actually wanted to send Zak a short PM, suggesting this info to put into the FAQ, but after writing the message and trying to send it, a message came up saying "Zak can't receive PM". So I gave up. Maybe Zak reads this sometimes