Early Spitfire Mk IXc

[Diggun]

25 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

I'd love to see an early Spit IX!

ditto!

[sevenless]

5 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

I'd love to see an early Spit IX!

 

Me too. The "typical" Spit IX with round tail and 4x0,303 and 2x20mm which flew from early 1944 well into 1945 would be perfect for me. The more variety the better.

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by sevenless

[Heckpupper]

7 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Me too. The "typical" Spit IX with round tail and 4x0,303 and 2x20mm which flew from early 1944 well into 1945 would be perfect for me. The more variety the better.

 

 

 

You mean from mid-42

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, ACG_Onebad said:

 

You mean from mid-42

 

I mean the version which was most common in the BoN timeframe. I don´t think they used 2 years old machines in mid 1944. Or did they? Mid 1942 would be more likely for L.F. Spit VB with Merlin 45M? And yes that would be a nice addition also.

[=621=Samikatz]

21 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

I mean the version which was most common in the BoN timeframe. I don´t think they used 2 years old machines in mid 1944. Or did they?

 

The US Navy was operating hand-me-down MkV airframes as spotters, if early IX airframes with the Merlin 61/63 were still in a flyable condition, I doubt they would be left to rot

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

I mean the version which was most common in the BoN timeframe. I don´t think they used 2 years old machines in mid 1944. Or did they? Mid 1942 would be more likely for L.F. Spit VB with Merlin 45M? And yes that would be a nice addition also.

 

Not really a pro on Spitfires, but I think one could reasonably cover late 42 to mid 44 model IX by mods.

[sevenless]

33 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Not really a pro on Spitfires, but I think one could reasonably cover late 42 to mid 44 model IX by mods.

 

From Merlin 60 to Merlin 61 to Merlin 63 and 63A to Merlin 66. I would say that might be feasable and could open up the chance to have 1942/43 usage of the BoN map. They could even sell a "leaning over the channel" module, reusing the map and introducing early Typhoon (car door), Blenheims, Beaufighters and Mustang IAs. I would appreciate that. Reusage of the Hurricane II on that map is also possible as well as usage of the Spitfire VB.

 

As a full standalone module, though, I see a slight problem with the german planeset. FW 190 A2 and A4 are possible. 109s...Hmmm? Do 217 would work. Another Bf-110? Another Ju-88?

Edited November 16, 2020 by sevenless

[CUJO_1970]

For 1943 BoN map scenario, would also love to see P-47C and P-38H in addition to the earlier Spits. 

 

190A4 with adjustable cooling outlets would be cool as well. Do 217? Yes please.

[DN308]

And a ton of bombing runs in France!

[Avimimus]

19 hours ago, ACG_Onebad said:

 

You mean from mid-42

 

Which gives us a Spit to oppose the Fw-190A3

 

I agree that a Spit IXc (early) would be a great addition... it is a missing aircraft. Of course, I might add in a Mustang I (20mm cannon Mustang), a Boston III (British A-20), Fw-190A4, Do-217E... add in some existing collector planes... and call it a 1942 module focused on the great air-battle with the attempt to draw out the Luftwaffe over Dieppe...

 

However... if there aren't substantial savings through producing variants of aircraft (something I'd support - the higher the team's profit to labour ratio is the better - more chance for things like additional AI aircraft or artillery spotting features)... then the merit of such a demi-module is definitely reduced.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Avimimus

[Denum]

20 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Me too. The "typical" Spit IX with round tail and 4x0,303 and 2x20mm which flew from early 1944 well into 1945 would be perfect for me. The more variety the better.

 

I like the variations with the .303s

 

Hopefully they get added or we can select that particular gun configuration in our modification screen one day. 

[cardboard_killer]

I want the 4x hispano-suiza grenade launchers.

[PatrickAWlson]

25 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

I want the 4x hispano-suiza grenade launchers.

 

On the German side it's called the Mk 108

[Rjel]

21 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Me too. The "typical" Spit IX with round tail and 4x0,303 and 2x20mm which flew from early 1944 well into 1945 would be perfect for me. The more variety the better.

 

That is my “ultimate” Spitfire. I would pay extra for a collector version of that. 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Rjel said:

That is my “ultimate” Spitfire. I would pay extra for a collector version of that. 

Same here, it would be an instant buy for me.

But I'm afraid that many others would complain about it not being a new plane and this and that like with the G6 'Late'.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

[=621=Samikatz]

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I might add in a Mustang I (20mm cannon Mustang)

 

I've been reading a bit about RAF Mustang operations and honestly those sorts of low level (E-GEH-16 claims a 25ft altitude ingress!), deep penetration missions sound perfect for Il-2's battle scale.

[Rjel]

2 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

Same here, it would be an instant buy for me.

But I'm afraid that many others would complain about it not being a new plane and this and that like with the G6 'Late'.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

Maybe. But the majority of the sounds emanating from that announcement would be “Ka-Ching”.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, Rjel said:

Maybe. But the majority of the sounds emanating from that announcement would be “Ka-Ching”.

 

Honestly, I'd love it if they released Collector planes that were just 'ace' configurations with reduced armament (e.g. Fw-190 with just 13mm or 20mm; Hurricane with 2x20mm or 6x0.303; Il-2I, Ar-234 with gunpod...) It wouldn't take much work, it wouldn't unbalance multiplayer (especially as a lot of servers would remove them for being 'too rare') and it would bring in some extra money. I'd honestly love to see them make a bit of extra money so that they can update existing maps or release a few AI aircraft or afford to risk the costs of developing a Do-217E or Ju-188...

 

I'm also not opposed to them just making some extra money so they can get a raise.

 

I honestly can't think of one developer which has released more work for free than these people... It is clear they are driven by a lot more than the profit motive. I can't believe how some people don't see this!

 

4 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I've been reading a bit about RAF Mustang operations and honestly those sorts of low level (E-GEH-16 claims a 25ft altitude ingress!), deep penetration missions sound perfect for Il-2's battle scale.

 

Yeah... it sounds intense... a lot of solo recon work leading up to D-Day... and they were the only aircraft without invasion stripes during Dieppe... they were flying so low that everything had an altitude/energy advantage... so camouflage against attacks from above was apparently more important than avoiding friendly fire!

 

It is basically a P-51 with a P-40 engine and a Hurricane IIC's armament... which is fascinating. The sub variant with 4x.050 and 4x.030 would also be pretty interesting to fly - a Mustang with Cowl mounted synchronised guns?

Edited November 17, 2020 by Avimimus

[Bremspropeller]

Hi, so with the upcoming Normandy map, I was thinking there's a good case to be made for an early Spitfire IXc as a collector's airplane.

 

I think it should be looking pretty much like this one:

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9625928

 

Wartime photo:

 

Round rudder, C-type wing with two 20mm Hispanos and four .303s, short carburator air intake.

 

In order to cover the earliest time-frames 'till the time the IXB comes online, it should be moddable carrying the Merlin 61, 63 and 66 engines.

Not sure about the initial boost setting (was it 12 or 15lbs?), but it should also cover 18 and 25lbs for aircraft in continuous service.

Needless to say, clippable wings, mirror and different bomb-settings. Maybe the rudder should be moddable as well, but there a Spit-maniac might chime in whether the poined udder was retrofitted to earlier airframes.

 

Since Normandy might come around the corner with external tanks, adding the three different slipper-tank models, would also come in handy.

 

Thoughts?

 

[Roland_HUNter]

"In late 1943 trials were run of a new "100/150" grade (150-octane) fuel, recognised by its bright-green colour and "awful smell".^[60] Initial tests were conducted using 6.5 cubic centimetres (0.23 imp fl oz) of tetraethyllead (T.E.L.) for every one imperial gallon of 100-octane fuel (or 1.43 cc/L or 0.18 U.S. fl oz/U.S. gal), but this mixture resulted in a build-up of lead in the combustion chambers, causing excessive fouling of the spark plugs. Better results were achieved by adding 2.5% mono methyl aniline (M.M.A.) to 100-octane fuel.^[61] The new fuel allowed the five-minute boost rating of the Merlin 66 to be raised to +25 pounds per square inch (272 kPa; 2.7 atm).^[62] With this boost rating the Merlin 66 generated 2,000 hp (1,491 kW) at sea level and 1,860 hp (1,387 kW) at 10,500 ft (3,200 m).^[63]

Starting in March 1944, the Merlin 66-powered Spitfire IXs of two Air Defence of Great Britain (ADGB) squadrons were cleared to use the new fuel for operational trials, and it was put to good use in the summer of 1944 when it enabled Spitfire L.F. Mk. IXs to intercept V-1 flying bombs coming in at low altitudes"

Early Spit IX should not have 25 lb boost.
If the early Spit will have Merlin 61 , then 15 lb boost(The Merlin 61 was phased out early in 1943 in favour of the Merlin 63 and 63A) So 1942 june, Spit IX
If Merlin 63 then 18lb boost. So 1943 Early Spit IXB

Production of the LF Mk IXs, frequently referred to as the Spitfire IXB, initially ran in parallel with the Merlin 63 powered Marks. This version first became operational in March 1943 with the Biggin Hill Wing, comprised at the time of 611 and 341 (Free French) Squadrons.

[cardboard_killer]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Hi, so with the upcoming Normandy map, I was thinking there's a good case to be made for an early Spit . . .

 

You had me at "Spit".

[357th_KW]

I think it’s a great idea.  +15 lbs Merlin 61 as the base engine with +18 lbs Merlin 63 and 66 options.  That really opens up the options for 1942 through early 44 scenarios on the channel map.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

 

11 hours ago, -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter said:

Early Spit IX should not have 25 lb boost.

If the early Spit will have Merlin 61 , then 15 lb boost(The Merlin 61 was phased out early in 1943 in favour of the Merlin 63 and 63A) So 1942 june, Spit IX
If Merlin 63 then 18lb boost. So 1943 Early Spit IXB
 

We could have it all separated as different modifications:

Standard  Merlin 61 =>  +15 boost early Spit Mk IXc
Merlin 63 mod => +18 boost mid Spit Mk IXc
Merlin 66 mod => +18 boost mid-lateish Spit Mk IXc

150 oct mod (greyed out except for Merlin 66) => +25 boost late Spit Mk IXc, as some round tail c armament spits were still in the Bodenplatte period.



 

Edited December 7, 2020 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard

[Roland_HUNter]

9 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

We could have it all separated as different modifications:

Standard  Merlin 61 =>  +15 boost early Spit Mk IXc
Merlin 63 mod => +18 boost mid Spit Mk IXc
Merlin 66 mod => +18 boost mid-lateish Spit Mk IXc

150 oct mod (greyed out except for Merlin 66) => +25 boost late Spit Mk IXc, as some round tail c armament spits were still in the Bodenplatte period.



 

Agreed.

[HBPencil]

I also made a suggestion for this earlier this year. However my suggestion differs in that I feel the LF.IXe we now have should get the C wing and small rudder as modification options as the LF.IXc (with the small rudder) was the most common Mk.IX at the time of the Normandy invasion, and that an 'early' F.IXc should be a stand alone Collector's aircraft for the reasons I list below.

Something I suspect many people don't appreciate is just how many differences there were between a 1944 LF.IXc and a 1942 F.IXc, so many that I'm not sure they could all be encompassed in one aircraft. Apart from the FM changes due to the different engines there would aslo be a large amount of 3D detail changes, certainly for exterior model but probably also for the cockpit as well (e.g. the pilot's head rest). Off the top of my head, some of these would be:

- small elevator balance horns
- wide cannon bay blisters
- undercarriage indicator rods
- Mk.I IFF antenna
- fuel cooler opening
- small, old style air intake
- dorsal i.d. light
- different style mirror

Cheers,
 

 

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

7 minutes ago, HBPencil said:

I also made a suggestion for this earlier this year. However my suggestion differs in that I feel the LF.IXe we now have should get the C wing and small rudder as modification options as the LF.IXc (with the small rudder) was the most common Mk.IX at the time of the Normandy invasion, and that an 'early' F.IXc should be a stand alone Collector's aircraft for the reasons I list below.

Something I suspect many people don't appreciate is just how many differences there were between a 1944 LF.IXc and a 1942 F.IXc, so many that I'm not sure they could all be encompassed in one aircraft. Apart from the FM changes due to the different engines there would aslo be a large amount of 3D detail changes, certainly for exterior model but probably also for the cockpit as well (e.g. the pilot's head rest). Off the top of my head, some of these would be:

- small elevator balance horns
- wide cannon bay blisters
- undercarriage indicator rods
- Mk.I IFF antenna
- fuel cooler opening
- small, old style air intake
- dorsal i.d. light
- different style mirror

Cheers,
 

 

 

Yeah its true, but I feel like these 3D model changes could be incorporated with the modifications, as it happens with some other planes in the game (Hurricane changes the intake, exhaust tubes, gunsight, P-47 and P-51 change the throttle lever, Hs 129 changes the exhaust tubes and ammo counter, Bf 110G changes the whole frontal part of the gunner seat position with the 37mm cannon, etc). 

 

Could be a very interesting selling point being able to accurately portray these variants like that 

[sevenless]

On 12/6/2020 at 5:36 PM, Bremspropeller said:

Thoughts?

 

Oh yes! Bring it on!

 

[HBPencil]

3 hours ago, -=PHX=-SuperEtendard said:

 

Yeah its true, but I feel like these 3D model changes could be incorporated with the modifications, as it happens with some other planes in the game (Hurricane changes the intake, exhaust tubes, gunsight, P-47 and P-51 change the throttle lever, Hs 129 changes the exhaust tubes and ammo counter, Bf 110G changes the whole frontal part of the gunner seat position with the 37mm cannon, etc). 

 

Could be a very interesting selling point being able to accurately portray these variants like that 

Fair comment, you have a point. Also I hope the devs can give us both the C and E wing when the XIV is released.

[LukeFF]

14 hours ago, HBPencil said:

Fair comment, you have a point. Also I hope the devs can give us both the C and E wing when the XIV is released.

 

Pretty sure it's been said that both .303 and .50 cal armament options will be provided. 

[Bremspropeller]

A bubbletop would be cool, too.

 

For both, the XIV and the IX (well, let's just call it a XVI).

[Bremspropeller]

Can we get some more hype for this?

[Hien-0_1*]

Hi!

I share the same opinion.

Please gentlemen a spitfire Mk IXc is essential for the new Normandy map.

Absolutely urgent!

Necessary!!!

[Barnacles]

What'd be nice is for them to sell 'missing' plane 'packs' to sweep up the significant but rarer planes, which will never usually be put in because there's something more representative. A good package would be spitfires: early mk IX, mk XII and mk VIII.

 

Individually they're not massively different from IXs and XIVs but together they'd definitely justify a purchase from most people I'd think

[sevenless]

With the option to simulate ‘RHUBARBS’, ‘CIRCUSES’ AND ‘RAMRODS’ on the BoN map additionally

to the IXc it would be great to have the Vb reworked to include the Merlin 45M, 50M and 55M and clipped wings.

[357th_KW]

33 minutes ago, sevenless said:

... it would be great to have the Vb reworked to include the Merlin 45M, 50M and 55M and clipped wings.

I’d love to also see it set as +12 boost as the baseline with the later +16 as a modification.  At that point we’d have 1941-45 covered.

[sevenless]

1 hour ago, Barnacles said:

What'd be nice is for them to sell 'missing' plane 'packs' to sweep up the significant but rarer planes, which will never usually be put in because there's something more representative. A good package would be spitfires: early mk IX, mk XII and mk VIII.

 

I am with you on this. And I guess they would do that, but I fear their ressources are too limited to do so.

[Bremspropeller]

Those are all great ideas, folks!

Given the amount of 109s covered, the Spitfires do certainly need some more love. Especially, when a lot of that love could be done by "merely" modding the existing aircraft.

Hopefully clipping the wings of the existing Vb would be a viable option.

 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Cropped Supercharger Model with 4x20mms  ?

 

[ZachariasX]

LF Vc, the ultimate plane for Berloga...

[JV69badatflyski]

The spit 9M61 do not really fit the time frame of the map, it's a 42 airplane, not a 44.
(see graph)

as for the 9 with M63, more than 95% of them were send to the mto, so once again , not a normandy plane.