Things that need to be added to Tank Crew to make it playable

[LachenKrieg]

3 minutes ago, Alexander9822 said:

I honestly believe your trolling now. When everyone is proving how wrong you are. You keep saying your right but the world is wrong.

The fact that you seem to be confused about the reason your tank wouldn't shift into a higher gear while you were going off-road proves that I am wrong in which way?

 

This is not about trying to be right. You were requesting the ability to manually shift gears. I am just pointing out to you that this capability is already included in the model that we have. You just have to decide to do it. Your interpretation that I am simply watching the computer shift the gears is incorrect, as that is what you are doing. You are leaving the max gear set at 8 and watching it shift up and down. What I am suggesting you try is use the "z" and "x" keys to control when the shift occurs.

 

As I have said earlier, it might be your understanding of how a manual transmission works, but the only suggestion I can offer at this point is that you pick the tank of your choice, go into the specifications for that particular tank and learn the max road speeds for each gear. Then use the "z" and "x" keys to practice driving so that you can learn how the max speed is affected when off-road (hint-its going to drop a bit). Then from there, you will be able to build a table for yourself that will tell you at what RPM you should shift at to maximize your speed while off-raod. What I find works well in the Tiger in terms of maximizing speed as I traverse uneven terrain is 2800 to shift up, and between 1300 and 1400 to shift down. I can do that all day long without the game shifting for me even once.

 

So if your desire is to manually shift gears in the tank, you can do that, but like all other things in a simulator, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. Watch the video and tell me who is shifting the gears.

[Goosevich]

No, you are not xD Wow you are stubborn my dude. It's NOT i repeat NOT a manual gearbox, holy f*ck xD TC has an automatic gearbox with gear limiter. Period. xD


Tell me, did you EVER drove a car before? 'Cos i can't belive someone can mistake those 2 distinct gearboxes lmao.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Goosevich

[Alexander9822]

Ngl, the game even says its an automatic gear box.

[LachenKrieg]

10 minutes ago, No_Face said:

If you are a gunner, then the driver (IA) will automatically shift gears. Your tank will therefore not stay in 1st.

 

As now, if you are a driver, the shooter (AI knows what to do, even change the type of ammunition.)

 

(I am only answering you on that because I am afraid that my English will make me misinterpret your words). You made a video, I made one and obviously we don't see the same thing. It doesn't matter, I'm not here to go to war with anyone.) ?

We are not at war my friend, I am just pointing out that there is no need to suffer thinking you have to wait to be able to manually shift gears, you can do it the next time you open Tank Crew if you like.

 

But it is clear to me that there is something being lost in translation here because the bold text above does not make any sense as a response to my previous comment. I am not suggesting that the tank will stay in 1st, I am giving the possible scenario where the simulator would be modeled with only a manual ability to shift gears as you are requesting. The model we have is an accurate depiction of an actual Tiger tank. It has a manual 8 speed transmission. The fact that the Dev's made it so that it automatically shifts up and down while you drive from the Commanders position is a good thing I think. But as I have shown, you can use what is modeled to also manually shift to drive around if like you said, you manage it right. 

[Alexander9822]

1 minute ago, LachenKrieg said:

But it is clear to me that there is something being lost in translation here because the bold text above does not make any sense as a response to my previous comment. I am not suggesting that the tank will stay in 1st, I am giving the possible scenario where the simulator would be modeled with only a manual ability to shift gears as you are requesting. The model we have is an accurate depiction of an actual Tiger tank. It has a manual 8 speed transmission. The fact that the Dev's made it so that it automatically shifts up and down while you drive from the Commanders position is a good thing I think. But as I have shown, you can use what is modeled to also manually shift to drive around if like you said, you manage it right. 

The thing is I am okay with it automatically shifting up and down for me if I was the commmader but sometimes If say a group of 4 friends where playing in the same tank and I was the driver then I want to be able to full control my gears. Not let the game decide anything for me. If I make a mistake and select the wrong gear then so be it but I want to make that choice.

[Goosevich]

But as I have shown, you can use what is modeled to also manually shift to drive around if like you said, you manage it right. 

No you can't manage anything. Only thing you can do with that gear limiter is overrev the engine and that should be fatal. Only usefull aplication of that gear limiter is a slow creep in a hull-down position or something like that.

[LachenKrieg]

13 minutes ago, Goosevich said:

No, you are not xD Wow you are stubborn my dude. It's NOT i repeat NOT a manual gearbox, holy f*ck xD

Its actually not a real tank in case you haven't noticed. It is a computer simulation of a tank that has a manual transmission with a stick shift and pedals exactly as depicted in the Tank Crew model. The point being answered was not whether we are all actually driving around in real tanks shooting real shells at each other ffs. Someone was requesting the ability to manually shift gears in a simulator. That same person seemed confused about why his tank was stuck in a low gear while going cross country. Your the truck driver here, take it from there.  

[Goosevich]

Yeah, so actually you missed the point entirely. There is a mechanic in TC and IL-2 for that matter that takes into account the engine/oil temp. It's very annoying in TC in that sense, that, if i understood correctly, most of the missions start offroad (duh, it's prohorovka, not a lot of roads were there) and a tank is stuck in the first gear EVEN with the GEAR LIMITER at default, ie set on D(rive)/max gear allowed. In game it's caused by a low engine/oil temp and you can just turn that off in difficulty settings. When the engine is near the nominal working temp. the gear shifts just happen like "they should". D(rive)/max gear allowed is default

Yes i did noticed it's a game, but since it's a tank sim, and all of the ww2 tanks had manual transmissions, they should be simulated. That's why there are steering wheels with clutch pedal and manual gearboxes available for racing sims. For me that's a mandatory feature for a tank sim to be a sim more or less - to simulate a goddamn tank. Not having that and having that kinda bad AT with a shoddy gear limiter is like having IL-2 and not being able to use a flight stick. Kinda shallow and pointless. AFAIR there is no accelerator axis in this sim mind you.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Goosevich

[LachenKrieg]

35 minutes ago, Alexander9822 said:

The thing is I am okay with it automatically shifting up and down for me if I was the commmader but sometimes If say a group of 4 friends where playing in the same tank and I was the driver then I want to be able to full control my gears. Not let the game decide anything for me. If I make a mistake and select the wrong gear then so be it but I want to make that choice.

Well then drive it like you own it ffs. What other advice can I give you. You know that it will shift automatically if you just sit there and stare at the screen. So be proactive and take control. Its a simulator!

 

If you are in the Tiger and you make all your shifts between 2800 and 1400, the game will no longer shift for you, because you will be doing it manually. You can watch the video, or just try it yourself.

 

I think one of the things that you can't seem to grasp is the concept of when, or why you shift in the first place. One of the things you should consider when building a table to help learn when to shift is that you need to compare the RPM and speed of the gear you are shifting from with the RPM and speed of the gear you are shifting to. If you are off-road in 8th gear and starting to climb up a small hill, you will want to time your shift so that you don't lose speed when you shift down to 7th. Your speed in 8th gear should be about 20-21kph when shifting between 1400 and 1300 RPM, which should be the approximate speed at that point when you downshift to 7th. The reason you shift into a lower gear is to use your engines power band to build your speed back up.

 

So if you want to be able to manually shift your favorite tank, I think all you really need is a better understanding of what you are trying to do coupled with a little practice.

 

 

23 minutes ago, Goosevich said:

Yeah, so actually you missed the point entirely. There is a mechanic in TC and IL-2 for that matter that takes into account the engine/oil temp. It's very annoying in TC in that sense, that, if i understood correctly, most of the missions start offroad (duh, it's prohorovka, not a lot of roads were there) and a tank is stuck in the first gear EVEN with the GEAR LIMITER at default, ie set on D(rive)/max gear allowed. In game it's caused by a low engine/oil temp and you can just turn that off in difficulty settings. When the engine is near the nominal working temp. the gear shifts just happen like "they should". D(rive)/max gear allowed is default

Yes i did noticed it's a game, but since it's a tank sim, and all of the ww2 tanks had manual transmissions, they should be simulated. That's why there are steering wheels with clutch pedal and manual gearboxes available for racing sims. For me that's a mandatory feature for a tank sim to be a sim more or less - to simulate a goddamn tank. Not having that and having that kinda bad AT with a shoddy gear limiter is like having IL-2 and not being able to use a flight stick. Kinda shallow and pointless. AFAIR there is no accelerator axis in this sim mind you.

Well I don't know what to tell you Goose. You can watch the video, or have the patience to use the SIM like you are driving a manual transmission. All I started out saying is that the request to be able to manually shift gears is already included with what you get. BTW, in the video above, you can see all the gauges including the temp gauge, and the engine is at running temp. I don't know what the big deal is. It seems like someone made a suggestion, and then didn't like to be corrected, or to find out that you can in fact shift gears manually.

Edited November 29, 2020 by LachenKrieg

[SvAF/F16_Dark_P]

I think Goose mean that he want to have to use the clutch also, what we have now is a semi automatic gearbox

[LachenKrieg]

21 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_Dark_P said:

I think Goose mean that he want to have to use the clutch also, what we have now is a semi automatic gearbox

@SvAF/F16_Dark_P, thanks but what we have is actually a digital model of a Tank that actually had a manual 8-speed transmission in the real world. The model of the real world tank that we have includes the clutch pedal and gear shift that go in and out, up and down as a shift occurs just like in the real tank.

 

At present, the SIM will shift the gears up and down for you as you roam back and forth in the different positions if you want, and I think that is a really good thing. But you can also use the SIM to simulate manual shifts as well, and I think that is a real good thing too. If anyone is in need of using a clutch, they should realize that they are using the clutch when they press either the "z", or "x" keys in the same way that they are using the Gunner's periscope by using the LtShift + T keys. It is all just simulation.

 

When you hit the "z" key, it is as if you are depressing the clutch pedal and moving the shift leaver. In the video I linked above, I make every single shift when and where I want. Of course I decide when to shift based on what is happening as I drive, but this is exactly the way you would drive a manual transmission car, truck, or tank. You will shift gears to either speed up, or slow down. 

 

I don't get what all the big deal is about. Its like someone read somewhere that the SIM shifts gears for you automatically, which makes senses if you are somewhere other then the drivers seat, and that means we have an automatic gearbox. We don't actually have gearbox, an engine, a turret, or a seat other then the one you use to sit in front of the computer your using to play the SIM. It is all just simulated. And I can simulate manually shifting the Tiger tank just as well as I can actually shift the stick in my car. The fact that the SIM will automatically shift gears if I forget to for whatever reason is not proof that when you pop the hood, you going to find an automatic transmission.

 

Normally I would have thought that the guy who was requesting the ability to manually shift gears would have been appreciative of the fact that he actually can, but its like he's disappointed that he has one less thing to complain about. I challenge you to watch the video and tell me that I am not controlling when and where I made the shifts that I did. Of course my decision is in response to what is happening while I drive, as in I may be climbing a hill, or going down the other side of one, but I am doing all the shifting.

 

 

[Goosevich]

Jesus christ dude, no it does not work like that. All you presented us in this video and it's exactly the same in the game i own is some asshole using a gear limiter overreving the engine. I'm asking again - have you ever drove a car by yourself?

It.Does.Not.Work.Like.That.It's.Completly.Unnacceptable


Just f*cking let us use, dunno, Logitech G25/G27/G29 and leave us be. You don't even know what a manual transmission and simulation is.

I don't get what all the big deal is about. Its like someone read somewhere that the SIM shifts gears for you automatically, which makes senses if you are somewhere other then the drivers seat, and that means we have an automatic gearbox. We don't actually have gearbox, an engine, a turret, or a seat other then the one you use to sit in front of the computer your using to play the SIM. It is all just simulated. And I can simulate manually shifting the Tiger tank just as well as I can actually shift the stick in my car. The fact that the SIM will automatically shift gears if I forget to for whatever reason is not proof that when you pop the hood, you going to find an automatic transmission.

 

Normally I would have thought that the guy who was requesting the ability to manually shift gears would have been appreciative of the fact that he actually can, but its like he's disappointed that he has one less thing to complain about. I challenge you to watch the video and tell me that I am not controlling when and where I made the shifts that I did. Of course my decision is in response to what is happening while I drive, as in I may be climbing a hill, or going down the other side of one, but I am doing all the shifting.

Have fun flying an IL-2 on a keyboard. Flight stick is simulated, right? lmao Edited November 30, 2020 by Goosevich