FTP

[Zooropa_Fly]

?

 

I know... but I've just spent 10 minutes spectating NFF over on RoF, telling people how to open radiators and re-spawn.

It occured to me that at 10:00 Euro time, there were 8 players on, at least 5 of which were noobs.

FC never gets that I think to myself. Of course it's because RoF is FTP.

But none the less, it's bringing punters in. Most won't hang around for long, but you see enough 'great game' comments to think more would if there was still some sort of community behind it and MP scene.

 

So are we desperate enough to consider that chucking a free Spad and Alby at Steam might kick-start a bit of activity ?

Now ducking behind the couch.

 

S!

[Feathered_IV]

If they are done developing FC any further, then sure.  What harm could a free Alby do?

[76SQN-FatherTed]

Well I guess the FTP model didn't work financially.  It was great for me (find out if game will run, then pick up planes at an affordable rate - and I ended up buying just about everything)  but obviously it wasn't great for 777/1C otherwise we'd have seen it with the IL2:BoX titles (and FC).  Maybe the punters who are most likely to buy having tried the freebie are most likely to buy anyway.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

3 hours ago, =CfC=FatherTed said:

Maybe the punters who are most likely to buy having tried the freebie are most likely to buy anyway.

And maybe the punters wouldn't have bought it if there was no FTP. I don't believe it hurt in any way for 777 having a couple of free planes. 

[76SQN-FatherTed]

3 hours ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

And maybe the punters wouldn't have bought it if there was no FTP. I don't believe it hurt in any way for 777 having a couple of free planes. 

I agree.  As I said, for me personally the FTP model was great (and ended up in me buying everything).  And you would think that throwing a bit of bait out there would mean reeling in a few extra (ultimately paying) punters, but I guess there's something in it that we don't/can't see that means it's not feasible for them.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

1 hour ago, =CfC=FatherTed said:

but I guess there's something in it that we don't/can't see that means it's not feasible for them.

Probably not enough blood.

[J37_Spyboy]

How could we do that? It is an idea ZF, Salute.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Worked for me, and with FTP I was able to reel in 3 others who went on to purchase at least a few planes.  I also know it's really hard trying to get my friends to buy into FC when it's at full price.

 

But maybe that's why it was a failure for them.  Instead of being 'forced' to buy everything, most people who bought just bought the couple of planes they wanted or needed?

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

FTP worked great for me and everyone else who waited for sales and picked up all the content for 1/3 of what 777 projected would be revenue from me. that's why it *worked" for players saying it worked, and why it's not part of the plan for FC.   What "worked fore me for FC is paying $80 to suppoet the project and help it happen.   

 

Here's a $27 idea!  Truth is that the cost of the game even at full price is the least expensive part of the game beyond the cost of a cheap (really cheap) stick.

 

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/flying-circus/

[Zooropa_Fly]

 

11 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said:

for 1/3 of what 777 projected would be revenue

 

There's no need to speak on behalf of the devs regarding sales, and citing that as some kind of lost revenue.

If they're not prepared to sell product at whatever sale price they put up, I'm sure they wouldn't.

Come the January sales - do you go into shops and pay full price for everything ?

 

Fact is there is no FC action at all when I usually want to fly, therefore I'm back in RoF for my ww1 fix.

A free plane or two, perhaps on a limited 1 month trial - would be simply another avenue that might get a few more people interested.

I realise the devs probably wouldn't entertain this idea for any of the GB series, I just think it's worth some discussion.

There's not much to lose at this stage.

 

S!

 

 

 

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

The devs didn't lose 53 or however many dollars by using the FTP system in RoF.  They *gained* 27 they never would have otherwise.

 

Then they gained another $210 when I bought 3 copies of Flying Circus that I otherwise wouldn't have bought if I hadn't tried RoF way back.

[Enceladus828]

I enjoyed the FTP option; in fact, that was the main reason I decided to get Rise of Flight. While I greatly enjoyed this... somewhat, demo version of IL-2 GBs, I feel that financially it wasn't worth having the FTP option as there are many freeloaders who give a negative review about the game after a very small amount of time played, and probably never even gave a cent to 1C/777.

Therefore, I strongly feel that they should just remove the FTP option and integrate the 3 planes into DLCs

 

Cheers.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

They still have FTP for ROF do they not? If you like the FTP from ROF then you would like FC for the most part right? So I don't see the need for FTP FC. As long as they can link ROF to FC some how. Unless of course they build a stand alone plane for FTP like a Sopwith snipe?

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

I think the FTP model is better with RoF because it has more content as a free-standing thing. You can throw up a couple free planes and still have plenty left to sell if people decide they like it. Then there's the FC control loss issue and whether FTP will get you any mileage if people are trying the game and losing their controls and getting frustrated. I just think FTP RoF has more going for it than FTP FC.

Edited November 27, 2020 by NO.20_Krispy_Duck

[BMA_Hellbender]

File Transfer Protoco... ?

 

Oh! Free to play!

 

F2P, yes, yes, of course!

 

 

 

No.

 

I think we're way, way past the point where that would make any difference whatsoever.

[Guest deleted@83466]

7 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said:

 

 

No.

 

I think we're way, way past the point where that would make any difference whatsoever.

 

I don't really see how FTP would hurt anything at this point though....

 

I wouldn't like to see such a thing for any of the WW2 content, because I think the multiplayer gamplay greatly benefits from people who were commited enough to buy the product in the first place, but if there is nobody in FC at all these days,  what's the downside?

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by SeaSerpent

[BMA_Hellbender]

17 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

I don't really see how FTP would hurt anything at this point though....

I don’t care whether the game is distributed via FTP or P2P, if there’s no FC2 (or at least a HD2) I will CU in SWS.

[WWBiker_]

Letting people sample FC  for free as it is now would be bad advertising for the game....

[Guest deleted@83466]

But all they have to do is read some of the forum comments to get a bad impression of the game!  The WW1 community is not exactly glowing in it's praises of Flying Circus.   It was a really tough and extra hard-to-please crowd even before the DM thing.

[WWBiker_]

Very true a lot of us Raisins in here from back to RB3D days ....and a lot of flight sims to compare it too since then. But my major beef is buying one game and ending up with another......been trying to be patient with it I love WW1 and the community but its getting tiresome .Since I game in VR only thou its my only choice ATM. I did find an adjustment for Enhanced Visibility but painfull to apply.

Edited November 27, 2020 by NO.20_D_McGoun
just dumb

[Motherbrain]

Il2/FC MP = you find a server set up by some hardass that has all the settings set to hard and no icons, you fly around looking for sombody, but ultimately sombody finds you instead and clubs you out of the sky over and over after you spent time wondering around for twenty minutes, and if you don't like it you get lectured and talked down by try hards and gate keepers saying "get gud" and "if you don't like it leave" etc.

 

If I wanted that garbage I'd play Warthunder. But I don't. I play Il2 to get away from games like Warthunder that force you to play a specific way and only reward skilled, competitive players.

 

To hell with that.

 

Why "get behind" MP when there is more fun and enjoyment to be had in the SP campaigns and mission builders?

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Motherbrain

[Zooropa_Fly]

Have a crack on 'A Zoo Wings Server'.

 

14 small maps with lots of bots and targets to go for.

Icons are available if you want to use them.

 

It's pretty quiet usually but you'll get people popping in occasionally.

 

S!

[BMA_Hellbender]

5 hours ago, Motherbrain said:

If I wanted that garbage I'd play Warthunder. But I don't. I play Il2 to get away from games like Warthunder that force you to play a specific way and only reward skilled, competitive players.

 

To hell with that.

 

Why "get behind" MP when there is more fun and enjoyment to be had in the SP campaigns and mission builders?

 

MP has changed a lot with the new damage model, typically engagements end much sooner with one party either limping home or tearing his own wings off attempting to stay defensive after taking any amount of damage. Extending/diving away in a straight line is a far better survival strategy than you might think, at least compared to WWII. It's not always a fun experience, especially if you're on the receiving end of a team using proper tactics which won't even allow you to retreat. Such is life.

 

"Git gud" sounds harsh, but it's really the only lesson you can learn from all this. Pick a plane that you like and learn to fly it well. You can get better than the competition in any machine if you learn to fly it to its strengths. In some cases its only strength is in numbers, sadly -- looking at you Alby and Halby.

 

I'd recommend anyone new to start with the Fokker D.VIIF and then graduate to something a bit more challenging.

Edited December 10, 2020 by J5_Hellbender

[J37_Spyboy]

Some of us have never got beyond the D.VIIF. ?

[J2_Trupobaw]

On 12/10/2020 at 8:58 AM, Motherbrain said:

Il2/FC MP = you find a server set up by some hardass that has all the settings set to hard and no icons, you fly around looking for sombody, but ultimately sombody finds you instead and clubs you out of the sky over and over after you spent time wondering around for twenty minutes, and if you don't like it you get lectured and talked down by try hards and gate keepers saying "get gud" and "if you don't like it leave" etc.

 

If I wanted that garbage I'd play Warthunder. But I don't. I play Il2 to get away from games like Warthunder that force you to play a specific way and only reward skilled, competitive players.

 

To hell with that.

 

Why "get behind" MP when there is more fun and enjoyment to be had in the SP campaigns and mission builders?

 

That's what lone wolfing looks like for everyone, except most experienced players. Get friends. Get on comms. 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

On 12/9/2020 at 11:58 PM, Motherbrain said:

Il2/FC MP = you find a server set up by some hard ass that has all the settings set to hard and no icons, you fly around looking for somebody, but ultimately somebody finds you instead and clubs you out of the sky over and over after you spent time wondering around for twenty minutes, and if you don't like it you get lectured and talked down by try hards and gate keepers saying "get gud" and "if you don't like it leave" etc.

Not that I was around at the time but real life was like that too. That's why they had squads to train with and watched each others back. You get good or died plain and simple. I can say I have a WAY better time flying with real pilots and good friends than in SP. But that's me and I ain't telling you what to do. 

And if you like lone wolfing then fly the D7f, you have about an 80% more chance of surviving than you would in any allied plane or alb even against a whole squad. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

^^^^^Trust this man.  If anyone knows what it's like to get shot down, it's him.