Initial Impression - IL-2 in VR with EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra

[dburne]

Ok I just set up a new PWCG campaign in the Spit Mk IX Bodenplatte map.

I just left my graphics settings as I had them, mostly on highest settings. 2x MSAA and 1.2 SS set in Oculus Tray Tool.

I run through Open Composite rather than Steam VR.

 

I flew one mission , a flight of four of us, on a long patrol.

I never really saw my framerates dip into ASW land. It was pretty much pegged all the way through - 80 fps for Rift S

Cold start - taxi to runway  and takeoff.

We were flying around 7500 ft for the patrol.

We came upon a couple of enemy flights, one of Me 262's, and one of 109's.

I shot down one of each, returned to base and landed.

 

Now in reality probably not telling me a lot, as with my 2080 Ti I rarely dipped into ASW land. Usually during the taxi to runway it would some. And occasionally in some

very heavy battles.

Also have not checked heavy clouds yet, this mission had partly cloudy skies.

 

GPU ran nicely. I kept Precision X1 open so I could peek at it. Ran constant 2100 MHz with my overclock, GPU temp 52-53c for this mission.

FTW3 cooler does a really nice job. I have very good case cooling though also and keep room around 72f. I am sure the temp will climb some more 

with some heavy clouds.

That is it for me today, in some pain today and that is all I have in me. Hopefully tomorrow I can get some more serious time in with it.

Also anxious to check it in DCS, that is one where I am hoping to see more improvements. Although I rarely play it here of late.

 

Frankly just for IL-2 - pretty sure 3090 is way the heck overkill especially for the price of the thing. Plus if just IL-2 you certainly don't need excessive vram like this thing has.

If I can get some more good time in with it tomorrow I will add to the thread. Will try increase MSAA to 4x from 2x and increase SS some and see what happens.

 

Oh and also 3090 is a power hungry card - 3 power plugs. I also kept a peek on wattage, highest power draw  on my system was around 690w.

I also look forward to seeing how the Reverb G2 does with it when it arrives.

Edited November 10, 2020 by dburne

[Ribbon]

Try to reproduce G2 performance load on it somehow with OTT SS (switch to steamVR SS aswell since there is no OTT for g2) and with ingame settings (msaa x4, ultra settings).

[Gambit21]

You guys, IMO when you post about performance etc you should at the very least mention your cloud and draw distance settings as these are huge factors.

 

This is the difference between 30fps (ultra clouds, high draw) and 60fps (med clouds, med draw) for me on a 4K monitor.

 

It’s the difference between my 1080 being just fine, to completely inadequate. 

[TheSNAFU]

Thanks for the first impressions dburne. Sounds like the 3090 ate thru the mission nicely with as you said, most settings at highest. I will be keeping an eye out for your next update pushing some stuff even higher. 
 

Hope you feel better

[dburne]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

You guys, IMO when you post about performance etc you should at the very least mention your cloud and draw distance settings as these are huge factors.

 

This is the difference between 30fps (ultra clouds, high draw) and 60fps (med clouds, med draw) for me on a 4K monitor.

 

It’s the difference between my 1080 being just fine, to completely inadequate. 

 

Hold yer breeches on.

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

Thanks for the first impressions dburne. Sounds like the 3090 ate thru the mission nicely with as you said, most settings at highest. I will be keeping an eye out for your next update pushing some stuff even higher. 
 

Hope you feel better

 

 

Thanks, believe me so do I.

Getting old is hell, unfortunately not many pain free days for me anymore if any, some are better than others.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a little better and I can get some better time in with it.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by dburne

[Aurelius_IL2]

Don thanks for your impressions with IL2. Sorry to hear of your condition(?). What do you suffer from if you do not mind me asking? 

[dburne]

Just poor DNA I think. Many surgeries many problem - which has left me in pretty much constant pain.

Not too bad this morning so far so hope to get some good testing in today, I have nothing else going on today.

Going to see if I can up the MSAA and maybe SS a little and see what happens. Also hope to check out a flight in DCS, hope to see some improvement in that one.

[dburne]

One thing I would note previously with the 2080 Ti when I was taxiing to runway, if I went by some building placed next to taxiway it would

drop into ASW of 40 fps whilst beside them. It is not doing that so far with this 3090.

 

Increased MSAA from x2 to x4.

Flew the next mission in my Spit Mk IX campaign.

Same result, did not see it drop into ASW of 40 fps.  Weather and combat similar to first mission though, so nothing real heavy yet.

 

On another topic, been a few week as I had taken a break. I am struggling some with the new pilot physiology I guess. Can't seem to push the Spit

in the turns as hard as I used to. But also I guess the break might have something to do with it I don't know.

And I even have simplified selected for it. 

 

Please note also I am running this 3090 with a pretty stout rig at 5.2 GHz all cores, so I am sure that helps some also.

GPU temp maxed around 52c for the mission. I would note also I run 100% fan speed on all three fans, being in VR with earbuds noise is not an issue for me. I am sure when I get some heavier clouds that temp will go up some.

Edited November 11, 2020 by dburne

[Bernard_IV]

Awesome.  Sounds like you got a good chip with the 2100 overclock.  Now we wait for the Reverbs, should be any day.

[dburne]

11 minutes ago, Bernard_IV said:

Awesome.  Sounds like you got a good chip with the 2100 overclock.  Now we wait for the Reverbs, should be any day.

 

Yeah that was one motivating factor in me getting this GPU, will be interesting to see how it handles the Reverb G2.

[dburne]

Well I spent most of the day flying a PWCG campaign today.

Overall I am very pleased. I did have one instance of ASW kicking in for my Rift S. It was very brief and only lasted around 5 seconds.

We were in a heavy furball fairly low alt over a friendly airfield that had a flight landing at the time.

I only noticed it happening this one time, so I guess not bad but just goes to show in a heavy cpu situation we are still limited by our

cpu core speed, and I am running at 5.2 GHz.

 

I am running 4x MSAA now rather than 2x, but honestly my old eyes can't really see a difference between the two.

I have increased my clouds from High to Extreme, but did not get a mission this afternoon in the campaign with heavy clouds, maybe tomorrow.

May try increasing SS from 1.2 to 1.4 and see how that looks and does.

 

Anyway I am really enjoying the new card so far. But I can't stress this enough - for just IL-2, don't waste the money. I feel pretty sure a 3080 would give just as good

a result if running in a strong system. At much less in cost. Remember in VR it is all about trying to stay out of reprojection, so basically two framerate levels you are dealing with.

FPS can not be more than the max Hz of the device anyway. The goal is to just try and stay out of reprojection (ASW) as much as you can.

I hope to check out DCS in it maybe around end of the week. That one may benefit better from all the vram the 3090 has. Also some other VR games I enjoy along with a racing sim.

Also might be well worth waiting and checking out the upcoming Radeon line later this month, that might be on par or even better with Nvidia this time.

Edited November 11, 2020 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

22 hours ago, dburne said:

Getting old is hell, unfortunately not many pain free days for me anymore if any, some are better than others.

Hopefully tomorrow will be a little better and I can get some better time in with it

 

Sad to hear that, I didn´t know it. I hope VR and the new G2 can distract you enough to forget the pain. At least , IL-2 VR is a hobby that it doesn´t demand too much phisically, some neck movement and some heart speed up.

[dburne]

1 minute ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Sad to hear that, I didn´t know it. I hope VR and the new G2 can distract you enough to forget the pain. At least , IL-2 VR is a hobby that it doesn´t demand too much phisically, some neck movement and some heart speed up.

 

Thanks - yeah one reason I so love gaming in VR now.

It helps...

[chiliwili69]

32 minutes ago, dburne said:

I feel pretty sure a 3080 would give just as good

a result if running in a strong system

 

Hey, You still can deliver back the 3090 and get a 3080 and a couple of good golf clubs....  ?

 

[dburne]

3 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Hey, You still can deliver back the 3090 and get a 3080 and a couple of good golf clubs....  ?

 

 

LOL not a chance, only way this bad boy is leaving my rig is if it dies.

I was scheduled for golf tomorrow but I just got an email that all golf courses closed now tomorrow due to hurricane approaching.

Guess I better stop flying so much and go check out the news.

More time for flying/testing now tomorrow though.

Edited November 11, 2020 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

3 minutes ago, dburne said:

hurricane approaching

 

bring your rig+VR to your basement and stay safe!

[dburne]

[dburne]

Increased SS from 1.2 to 1.4 for my Rift S via OTT.

Clouds from high to extreme.

No visible hit on performance I can tell at all.

 

Just flew a ground attack mission in PWCG,  low altitude of course and had heavy cloud cover. 

There were six of us in my flight. I started at the rear for take off.

We got interrupted as we got close to targets by three enemy ai flights and a furball ensued.

I took damage and got out of there for the return trip home,

 

Everything ran great on this mission. 

Best I can tell I now have all graphics at the max with 1.4 SS. Only thing I don't have on is HDR.

I imagine with this game the 3080 will be quite similar in performance.

Anyways I will wrap this up there. Hope it helps anyone looking at a 30xx card, although now I suspect it would

be well worth waiting and see what the Radeon 5800 and 5900 cards bring to the table.

 

By the way, I will be able to test and see how the Reverb G2 does with this card this weekend long as it arrives tomorrow as expected.

Edited November 12, 2020 by dburne

[TheSNAFU]

Thanks for the feedback dburne. If that level of performance holds with the G2 it may finally push me to jump into vr. 
 

Enjoy!!

[HunDread]

27 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

Thanks for the feedback dburne. If that level of performance holds with the G2 it may finally push me to jump into vr. 
 

Enjoy!!

 

1.4 SS on Rift S is not far from reverb native resolution

[chiliwili69]

32 minutes ago, HunDread said:

1.4 SS on Rift S is not far from reverb native resolution

 

1.4 PD in Rifts is like 200% SS in SteamVR (1.4*1.4~2). In Rift-S is 11.7 millions pixels (both eyes).

 

My Index run at 130% SS SteamVR and it´s exactly 11.7 miilion pixels (both eyes). And my 1080Ti do fine with those pixels (but clouds to Low).

 

The Reverb (G1 or G2) at deafult resolution is 9.5 million pixels.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

1.4 PD in Rifts is like 200% SS in SteamVR (1.4*1.4~2). In Rift-S is 11.7 millions pixels (both eyes).

 

My Index run at 130% SS SteamVR and it´s exactly 11.7 miilion pixels (both eyes). And my 1080Ti do fine with those pixels (but clouds to Low).

 

The Reverb (G1 or G2) at deafult resolution is 9.5 million pixels.

 

Makes me think I will be fine with the Reverb performance wise.

Looking forward to trying it out over the weekend.

What percent of Steam VR would I need for app 11.7 million pixels in the Reverb G2?

Edited November 12, 2020 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

What percent of Steam VR would I need for app 11.7 million pixels in the Reverb G2?

 

With 122% SteamVR SS you are at 11.6 million pixels with Reverb G1 or G2.

With 124% SteamVR SS you are at 11.8 million pixels with Reverb G1 or G2.

 

The size of the SS  step is 2% in SteamVR

 

 

[dburne]

1 minute ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

With 122% SteamVR SS you are at 11.6 million pixels with Reverb G1 or G2.

With 124% SteamVR SS you are at 11.8 million pixels with Reverb G1 or G2.

 

The size of the SS  step is 2% in SteamVR

 

 

 

Ok thanks, looking forward to trying it out.

Think I am going to even stay home from golf tomorrow just in case it arrives a little early.

[chiliwili69]

23 hours ago, dburne said:

due to hurricane approaching

 

Then you can enjoy the other british Hurricane at home!  ?

 

[dburne]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Then you can enjoy the other british Hurricane at home!  ?

 

 

LOL, this one was not so bad. Just some high winds and rain.

 

[Ribbon]

19 hours ago, dburne said:

Increased SS from 1.2 to 1.4 for my Rift S via OTT.

Clouds from high to extreme.

No visible hit on performance I can tell at all.

 

Just flew a ground attack mission in PWCG,  low altitude of course and had heavy cloud cover. 

There were six of us in my flight. I started at the rear for take off.

We got interrupted as we got close to targets by three enemy ai flights and a furball ensued.

I took damage and got out of there for the return trip home,

 

Everything ran great on this mission. 

Best I can tell I now have all graphics at the max with 1.4 SS. Only thing I don't have on is HDR.

I imagine with this game the 3080 will be quite similar in performance.

Anyways I will wrap this up there. Hope it helps anyone looking at a 30xx card, although now I suspect it would

be well worth waiting and see what the Radeon 5800 and 5900 cards bring to the table.

 

By the way, I will be able to test and see how the Reverb G2 does with this card this weekend long as it arrives tomorrow as expected.

Thnx a lot, seems i'll go with i7 10700k and rtx 3080 for G2.

Let us know final performance review once you get hands on G2!

[dburne]

19 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Thnx a lot, seems i'll go with i7 10700k and rtx 3080 for G2.

Let us know final performance review once you get hands on G2!

 

Will do. Still showing scheduled delivery between 12pm and 4 PM EST today.

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

56 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Will do. Still showing scheduled delivery between 12pm and 4 PM EST today.

What VRAM allocation are you showing at max settings?

[dburne]

17 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

What VRAM allocation are you showing at max settings?

 

I will have to check that and get back with you, should be able to a little later this morning.

17 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

What VRAM allocation are you showing at max settings?

 

Hmmm what is good way to check? I thought my Precision X1 program might have something but not seeing it.

Edited November 13, 2020 by dburne

[dburne]

Ok I finally dropped into ASW land with my Rift S in a PWCG Campaign mission.

However I will say it was a really unusual very heavy air activity mission.

We were assigned a ground attack mission in the Spit Mk IX. Once bombs release we had a very large number

of enemy air AI all of a sudden around us. Must have been at least a couple of large flights of JU-88-s - I took out 4 of them and there were still at 

least than many left, plus a flight or more of some 109's.

 

In this midst of the dogfighting with bunch of planes around, my fps dropped to 40 (ASW) for several seconds, but soon as it lightened'up

a little it was back at 80 fps.

 

So yeah even a 3090 card will not guarantee never drops into ASW or Reprojection. Pretty sure equipment does not yet exist for that.

But it is really quite rare for me as I plough on through my PWCG campaign. And again running with everything maxed out except no HDR, and SS at 1.4.

It sure is gorgeous, can't wait to see how it looks in the Reverb G2 later on today hopefully. 

 

On a sidenote I did briefly test DCS with the Hornet taking off from carrier. Previously I would be at 40 fps on the carrier and 80 fps in the air over water. Flying low over ground would drop to 40 fps. 

Same thing with this new card, I was at 80 fps on the carrier for launch, and maintained 80 fps low over water, and then also maintained

80 fps over land. 

Loaded up a takeoff from the Supercarrier next, on the carrier ready to take off with all the ground crew around, I did drop into ASW of 40 fps. Right after takeoff was back up to 80 fps.

Did not spend much time testing this, as I don't do much flying in DCS anymore anyway. But certainly the card is helping there also,

maybe helping a little better as it is so demanding.

 

And I would emphasize again, I don't recommend spending all that money on the 3090 unless it just not matter to you, as I have a feeling 3080 would give very close results if not the same. Not to mention the new Radeon offering coming.

Edited November 13, 2020 by dburne

[wju]

20 hours ago, dburne said:

 

I will have to check that and get back with you, should be able to a little later this morning.

 

Hmmm what is good way to check? I thought my Precision X1 program might have something but not seeing it.

 

regarding topic "allocated vs really used VRAM" ,  there is a tool

give a try!  ?

 

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/msi-afterburner-can-now-display-per-process-vram.291986/

 

 

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

On 11/13/2020 at 8:33 AM, dburne said:

 

I will have to check that and get back with you, should be able to a little later this morning.

 

Hmmm what is good way to check? I thought my Precision X1 program might have something but not seeing it.

Do you have vrfps? It's cheap in steam.

[dburne]

5 hours ago, CDRSEABEE said:

Do you have vrfps? It's cheap in steam.

 

Yes I do - will it show in IL-2 VR without controllers?

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

21 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yes I do - will it show in IL-2 VR without controllers?

Mine does. You have to start it before going into IL2.

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

Mine does. You have to start it before going into IL2.

 

OK I have been at this with my new Reverb G2 all day and am pretty much fried, will try and have a look in next couple days or so.