Is there anything wrong with the Hurricane nose down pitch attitude?

[Bilbo_Baggins]

Hey gents, great to have the machine in game! Something I soon noticed though is at level flight it appears to fly with a significant nose down pitch attitude? Here's a pic attached to show. Trim setting does not affect it and this picture is taken on autolevel. Yes, the plane is damaged but damaged or fresh it flies with the same pitch attitude.

 

In all the pictures and footage of Hurricanes flying along, they look more nose up. 1946 and Clod Hurricanes also fly more noticeably more nose up.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2020 by Bilbo_Baggins

[unreasonable]

The attitude in level flight depends on the speed.  To fly level it needs to create lift = weight, lift is a function of wing design, speed and AoA, so the faster it flies the less AoA it needs to fly level.  At what speed is this picture? 

 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

3 hours ago, unreasonable said:

The attitude in level flight depends on the speed.  To fly level it needs to create lift = weight, lift is a function of wing design, speed and AoA, so the faster it flies the less AoA it needs to fly level.  At what speed is this picture? 

 

 

I think you're right on. That pic was on max power or close to it for sure.

 

I just tried it at lower power and speed and it pitches up level to what you see in the real-steel pics and footage. Quite surprising the disparity in angle of incidence. It's like it rocks forward and puts it's head down ready to charge or something!

 

Perhaps this large disparity is also somewhat because of the Hurricane's huge wings? Even bigger than the Spitfire in area alone. I've never noticed this with the other airframes that much, apart from the adjustable stabilizer machines which quite noticeably change the pitch attitude.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Bilbo_Baggins

[=420=Syphen]

It's one of the things that we would feel better if we all ran proper force feedback gear.. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

1 hour ago, [CPT]HawkeyeP said:

It's one of the things that we would feel better if we all ran proper force feedback gear.. 

 

If there even was such a thing these days.

[migmadmarine]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

If there even was such a thing these days.

Yea, I wish someone would start making a good FFB Hotas these days, I'm terrified of my G940 eventually giving up the ghost. 

[Gort]

The nose attitude in level flight depends upon airspeed (more accurately, AOA) and the wing's angle of incidence, which varies between aircraft types.

[migmadmarine]

When it comes to aircraft with odd appearances in level flight due to angle of incidence, the Armstrong-Whitworth Whitley springs to mind: 

[Gort]

Have a look at the B52, who's incidence is predicated on the limitations of a tandem landing gear.

[Blackhawk_FR]

Fw190 was well known (from Pierre Clostermann memories) to fly with a nose down attitude. 

So depending on aircrafts... 

 

Make me think I always found P47 fly with a very nose up attitude.

Edited November 7, 2020 by JG300_Faucon

[peregrine7]

Depends on the relative angle of the wing, hurricane has a large, high lift wing with a reasonable angle to the body.

Also of note, check out how inefficient the elevator is, at high speed it is significantly pitched nose-down. It is definitely a low speed aircraft.

[bzc3lk]

In this film sequence there does seem to be a degree of nose down attitude in some shots, especially the flypast at the 52 second point.

 

 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by bzc3lk

[danielprates]

Assuming the designers thought of this, the most level attitude is probably calculated to happen when in cruise speed, to cause the least drag. Then again that may make more sense on a comercial aircraft.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Can also be something of an optical illusion based on the thrust- line and wing angle vs. the shape of the fuselage.

[3./JG15_Kampf]

On 11/7/2020 at 4:13 PM, JG300_Faucon said:

Fw190 was well known (from Pierre Clostermann memories) to fly with a nose down attitude. 

So depending on aircrafts... 

The fw190 of the old 46 has always had a nose upward trend. In GB il2 it is completely the opposite, even using the stabilizer at '0', the speed needs to be above 500km / h to feel a little that the nose starts to rise. Is this correct?

[EAF19_Marsh]

Just lovely. Obviously never flown a Hurricane but between the official pilots notes and the pilot accounts, this feels spot on.

 

Fantastic addition at a ridiculous price.