Good luck 777 Team :)

[MarcoRossolini]

I suspect that 1C are the guys providing the cash and are leaving 777 a free hand to work... I sense some of 1C's decisions are filtering down however... re: FMB and the unlocks... Just my speculation however.

[MikeDitka]

Douglas TBD Devastator

 

I paid $95 for BoS, but I'd probably pay $500 for a 777 Studios sim that was entirely focused on the Pacific War in 1942 :D

 

Sorry for the off topic lol

[LukeFF]

I'd love to see planes released in pairs, like a buy one get one free.

One popular plane with a less popular/crap plane in the pairing.

 

Spitfire Mk IX / Fairey Battle

Mustang P51D / Douglas TBD Devastator

Lockheed P38 Lightning / Messerschmitt Me 210

Republic P-47 Thunderbolt / Brewster F2A Buffalo

 

Anyway, I'm just dreaming ...

 

Trivia time: Jason made the 3D model for IL2's Devastator.

[siipperi]

Would be cool if they would release on steam and get same kind of front page hype page as AAA-games does. They definitely would deserve it. 

[Warpig]

Some Hellcats vs Zeros would be awesome.

[Gambit21]

I can't wait to get my Zeke back with this engine.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

I think from this actual setup it wouldnt be too much work (compared to other scenarios), to introduce hurricane, P39, P40, FW190A5, 109G6 and a Kuban scenario (1). with those planes you would only have to add P38 and Spit for a mediterranean/african map (2). I think this would be the most efficient way for the Devs to introduce new scenarios. 

 

If i had to choose the next scenario completly after my own wishes, i would prefer Guadalcanal as next one. Big island, more then one airfield (compared to midway), and a lot of carriers. And a quite balanced plane setup (P39, wildcat, P38F as premium plane against zero's). That would be my absolute dream. I think everything from the introduction date of the Hellcat or even the Corsair would be to one-sided in terms of dogfights, when the planes are modelled correctly, and not any special idea (like i explane later in this post) is used. 

 

If the Devs would really consider to introduce all important war theatres like

 

- Battle of Britain (spit vs Emil)

- Kuban (FW,G6 against P39, yak1b)

- Africa/Malta/Italy (spit,p38 against 109 F/G)

- Reichsverteidigung early (p38,p47,spit against 109G, FW, Bf110)

- Reichsverteidigung late (p47,p51,spit Mk9 / Yak3, LA7 against Dora/TA152, Kurfürst, 262) 3 sides in one map would really add something else

- early Pacific (Guadalcanal) 

- late Pacific (Japanese Homeland defense.) My idea for both sides having fun, and historical accurateness would be: B17/B24 bots on US side, and a lot of kamikaze zero and B5N bots for Japan, players have the possibility to take the peak of their respective fighters (Corsair, P51 against Ki84, N1K, J2M), which would represent the low numbers of high performance planes from Japan.

 

Such a game would center every virtual pilot in this world, compared to having them spread right now all over War Thunder, Cliffs of Dover, old IL2 1946...especially all War Thunder pilots, which cry for diversity (few of my friends play War Thunder only for this reasons. they know that BoS is 100 times better engine-wise, but get bored by "only one single scenario")

 

Then you would have an big enough community for one Dev-created server for each of the scenarios, with specific tasks for either side, which are changed on daily basis. And not allowing or introducing any other servers. (to keep every scenario crowded)

 

 

All with the engine of BoS. I would support this idea with 1000 bucks or even more...and i am sure i'm not the only one. Hobby-wise this would be a lifedream

Edited May 28, 2014 by Celestiale

[PantsPilot]

If this is going to end up as a kind of poll of the English speaking world fan-bases requirements for future add-ons, then I forecast zillions of Americans asking for the Pacific/Mustangs/P-47's/Hellcats etc !! That's the advantage they have of 1. Being a huge population and 2. Of liking their own stuff so much.

 

I think we also need to get some balance by looking at theatres of war that HAVEN'T necessarily already been done to death, like Stalingrad. I just hope that 1C's influence in this game keeps options open for maps like Bessarabia, Kursk, Kuban, Operation Bagration, Finland, Malta, China/ Burma/India, Sicily, Norway, Tunisia, France 1940 etc. When the Pacific does get covered I'd like to see Rabaul in first simply because it got left out of 1l-2 1946.  

That'd be my preferences and it would be up to everybody having to support the lesser known theatres in order to also get their regular favourites. This way I think everybody would be happy all around the world.

[Potenz]

i would love to buy a FW-189 or an Arado 196

[steppenwolf]

I'd be more interested in a naturally simulated POV over more maps and planes, not to mention people and even birds. I have old school flight sims full of maps and planes already. I'd appreciate more a new type of flight sim experience. 

[Rjel]

If this is going to end up as a kind of poll of the English speaking world fan-bases requirements for future add-ons, then I forecast zillions of Americans asking for the Pacific/Mustangs/P-47's/Hellcats etc !! That's the advantage they have of 1. Being a huge population and 2. Of liking their own stuff so much.

 

I think we also need to get some balance by looking at theatres of war that HAVEN'T necessarily already been done to death, like Stalingrad. I just hope that 1C's influence in this game keeps options open for maps like Bessarabia, Kursk, Kuban, Operation Bagration, Finland, Malta, China/ Burma/India, Sicily, Norway, Tunisia, France 1940 etc. When the Pacific does get covered I'd like to see Rabaul in first simply because it got left out of 1l-2 1946.  

That'd be my preferences and it would be up to everybody having to support the lesser known theatres in order to also get their regular favourites. This way I think everybody would be happy all around the world.

So tiresome. So predictable. So insulting. I can only imagine the firestorm I would create if I made the same blanket statement about <insert your country here>.

 

The rest of your post isn't really saying anything new either.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

If this is going to end up as a kind of poll of the English speaking world fan-bases requirements for future add-ons, then I forecast zillions of Americans asking for the Pacific/Mustangs/P-47's/Hellcats etc !! That's the advantage they have of 1. Being a huge population and 2. Of liking their own stuff so much.

 

I think we also need to get some balance by looking at theatres of war that HAVEN'T necessarily already been done to death, like Stalingrad. I just hope that 1C's influence in this game keeps options open for maps like Bessarabia, Kursk, Kuban, Operation Bagration, Finland, Malta, China/ Burma/India, Sicily, Norway, Tunisia, France 1940 etc. When the Pacific does get covered I'd like to see Rabaul in first simply because it got left out of 1l-2 1946.  

That'd be my preferences and it would be up to everybody having to support the lesser known theatres in order to also get their regular favourites. This way I think everybody would be happy all around the world.

Last I heard this was a commercial endeavor. You can sell sticks (lesser known theaters) or shiny things. It takes the same resources to make a lesser plane, map or theatre as it does to make the usual suspects. If no one (or relatively few) buy it, it is money wasted. The genre can hardly stand to waste a penny unless there is a huge influx of players. Because there is a good sized sim community in Russia they can spend some more time there which I am fine with and will buy as well. However, most of those others have little chance of commercial success. I'm all for some of the interesting/less well known battles in relation to the greater battles but there is a reason those others have been done to death. THEY SELL and therefore make good sense for an investment return to the shareholders. Plus, the aircraft aren't quirky or held in esteem by a small contingent of flyers. They are fire breathing monsters of the air with ever greater capabilites and therefore well known to even casual simmers. Who, not coincidentally are the individuals we need to attract the most to make this (or any other sim) grow and thrive.

 

Good luck selling sticks and being successful.

[Feathered_IV]

I have old school flight sims full of maps and planes already. I'd appreciate more a new type of flight sim experience.

 

I've seen you touch on this a few times before. I tend to agree. The flight sims today are lacking something. They don't seem to capture the human element of what it means, what it feels like to be a flyer in a conflict. The fears, responsibilities, triumphs and losses. The human element that would make a player really identify with his surroundings has been completely rubbed out. I think it's this lack of expression that is one of the greatest reasons flight sims are so often described as "soulless" and no longer capture the popular imagination as they once did.

 

I've already got any number of flight sims where I can suddenly appear, assume the role of a disembodied apparition with no cares and no future. I can fulfil a mission and successfully return, for whatever good it will do. No one and nothing is there to greet me. Not at the airfield, and not in the indifferent menu screens that come after. If there were losses, what of it? Another ghost will arrive to take their place, inherit their voice and their identical aircraft.

 

I never sit at work, wondering if my victory claim is going to be approved. I never regret the loss of a wingman. I never feel the weight responsibility for leading a squadron. I have no need to remember what happened and where. Nobody is going to ask. My squadron never tires. Never asks for leave.

 

I'd appreciate a new flight sim experience too. I find I feel less and less with the one we've got.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't think you can experience that without genuine mortal peril. Few would go out of their way for that, assuming they are sane, and fewer would pay for it. Even most extreme sports only flirt with such realities.

 

I did write a pretty good short story about it though............no, for real.

Edited May 29, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[Gambit21]

If this is going to end up as a kind of poll of the English speaking world fan-bases requirements for future add-ons, then I forecast zillions of Americans asking for the Pacific/Mustangs/P-47's/Hellcats etc !! That's the advantage they have of 1. Being a huge population and 2. Of liking their own stuff so much.

 

I think we also need to get some balance by looking at theatres of war that HAVEN'T necessarily already been done to death, like Stalingrad. I just hope that 1C's influence in this game keeps options open for maps like Bessarabia, Kursk, Kuban, Operation Bagration, Finland, Malta, China/ Burma/India, Sicily, Norway, Tunisia, France 1940 etc. When the Pacific does get covered I'd like to see Rabaul in first simply because it got left out of 1l-2 1946.  

That'd be my preferences and it would be up to everybody having to support the lesser known theatres in order to also get their regular favourites. This way I think everybody would be happy all around the world.

'sigh'

I happen to be American, and have equal interest in planes of all nations, and I speak for just about every American sim enthusiast I've encountered on these

boards over the many years I've been doing this. Yes, I want the Pacific, but mostly so I can once again fly the Zeke.

Not such a great post you typed there...

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

 "everybody having to support the lesser known theatres in order to also get their regular favourites"

 

And this makes it not commercially viable. You can't force people to part with their money. They will pay for what they want, not what someone demands.

[Finkeren]

HerrMurf, we've had this discussion before.

 

Simply calling the Eastern Front "not comercially viable" doesn't make it so.

 

The original IL2 secured its position as the benchmark WW2 sim and by far the most popular one in an environment of full of Western oriented sims (EAW, MSCFS 2-3, B-17 Mighty Eighth) by solely focusing on the Eastern Front for years on end.

 

The competition of BoS is very limited compared to the original. The only new sim in development that could "threaten" it is years out, if it's gonna come out at all.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I don't think that anyone (at least not Murf) is claiming that Eastern Front is not comercially viable. And that is so thanks, mostly, to russian sim community, so there is large enough market. But I seriously doubt that some of the other theatres brought up in previous posts will be. Like Norway, or Burma. They would actually make rather interesting scenarios both, but I really can't see them selling that much.

 

And btw, if you compare yak-1 and p-47, other one is eurovision song contest and other one is Slayer (hint: p-47 is no eurovision song contest)

[Finkeren]

And btw, if you compare yak-1 and p-47, other one is eurovision song contest and other one is Slayer (hint: p-47 is no eurovision song contest)

I refer you to my sig about that

 

The Eastern Front has always stood for me as being by far the more "hardcore" of the WW2 theatres. Where for instance the P-47 has a distinct flavor of ABBA to me.

 

It all comes down to personal preference I guess.

Edited May 29, 2014 by Finkeren

[steppenwolf]

...I'd appreciate a new flight sim experience too. I find I feel less and less with the one we've got.

I imagine within the next couple decades we'll be able to walk 1st person through a bomber as shell casing roll around on the floor, or run to our Fighter after the PA voice calls for a squadron scramble, see our breath after we take off our mask, know our flight mates and fly to save them. There's so much iconic war imagery and themes to be inspired by, and with the 'story way' games are going now it's just a matter of time before existing game mechanics unseen in simulators make their way in to flesh out a more realistic combat time period experience. Today there's companies out there attempting to create whole universes! Good luck to anyone making games these days!  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Finkeren,

 

I never said the war in the east is not viable. I have no bias against the east front and am delighted with the sim so far. I am happy to stay there for at least one more release and probably two. However, some of those lesser battles or campaigns mentioned are simply non starters. I'm in the mood for analogies so here goes:

 

I love strawberry rhubarb pie. It is my favorite. However, relatively few know what rhubarb pie is, less have tried it, and even fewer like it. It is a very acquired taste. I would never open a restaurant and tell people they could only have dinner if they payed for rhubarb pie. I would never expect to tell people they cant have ice cream because I am only selling the pie for now. Finally, I would not tell my employees to concentrate all of their efforts on rhubarb pie and ignore the entree's the majority of the paying customers want. The restaurant would fold.

 

And I loves me some rhubarb pie!

 

Can I get at least three up-votes for rhubarb pie? 

Edited May 29, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Hey, I really like rhubarb too!

[sallee]

Hey, I really like rhubarb too!

Me too.

 

In one of the FM war threads on the RoF forums, I thought I'd cool things down by asking if anyone liked rhubarb. 

No-one answered.

[Rjel]

Now you can hardly find a rhubarb pie, a real rhubarb pie that is. It's always mixed with strawberries. Not a bad combination, but sure not what I remember from my childhood.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

OK people, back on topic. While I'm proud of my first troll attack it was not intentional. Don't want to get the thread locked. Just trying to make a point about free markets and flight sims.

[Swabo]

i buy both planes and now iam golden founder ,thanks

[sallee]

i buy both planes and now iam golden founder ,thanks

But do you like rhubarb?

[ST_ami7b5]

i buy both planes and now iam golden founder ,thanks

 

LOL, welcome to the golden club

[Blooddawn1942]

i buy both planes and now iam golden founder ,thanks

 

Nice to join our ranks. A warm welcome!!

[DukeMcFishy]

Hi!

 

I'm a new pilot since today. After a testflight to setup the controls I already had a quick online dogfight and it's looking good so far.

 

Can't wait to see how the final product is going to be, 

 

Cya in the skies!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

But do you like rhubarb?

hahahahahahahaha

[hiro]

The devs could throw out a bonus random summer map with a p-40 and p-39 and I-16 and chaika, and some variants of existing planes and one bonus for the luft side. 

 

 

I would want a Rabaul setup w/ carrier action next game, and include a B-17 and Betty. bed check charlie missions

 

 

And some sea planes. then for the the third go to western europe mid war for some revenue . . .

 

 

and devs put some rhubarb or pie as an easter egg somewhere in the game

[Mac_Messer]

I guess I welcome the $ for single aircraft. We can stay by expanding the Luftwaffe hangar, easy money.

I refer you to my sig about that

The Eastern Front has always stood for me as being by far the more "hardcore" of the WW2 theatres. Where for instance the P-47 has a distinct flavor of ABBA to me.

It all comes down to personal preference I guess.

For me, not by a long shot. I flew both the Normandy and the Eastern Front hundreds of times. The 2nd is like vacation compared to France (well, at least until 1943). All those Spits and Mustangs flying around made me shiver anytime I went airborne. Sometimes a good P38/P47/B17 hunt would come up. Going into Typhoon territory I remember was a whole different story though.

[Felix58]

Best of luck with the Steam adventure 777!

 

Would love to see a Pacific version some time down the track!   But for now looking forward to the successful completion of BOS.

 

I like rhubarb and apple pie!   Great combination!  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Emgy]

For me, not by a long shot. I flew both the Normandy and the Eastern Front hundreds of times. The 2nd is like vacation compared to France (well, at least until 1943). All those Spits and Mustangs flying around made me shiver anytime I went airborne. Sometimes a good P38/P47/B17 hunt would come up. Going into Typhoon territory I remember was a whole different story though.

 

I think he meant IRL, not in IL2.

[Mac_Messer]

I think he meant IRL, not in IL2.

I think not. If he meant IRL, he would not have written about the ABBA flavor or it coming down to personal preference.